California ignoring the 2nd Amendment yet again

[schneiderguy]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/cal...ers-ban-on-open-carrying-rifles-shotguns.html

In California it will be illegal to:

Open carry a loaded handgun in public
Open carry a loaded rifle in public
Open carry an unloaded handgun in public (passed last year)
Open carry an unloaded rifle in public (when this passes)

Since most counties will not issue concealed carry permits, there is no way for the majority of Californians to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights.

I can't wait till California gets a smackdown by the Supreme Court and every state is forced to go shall-issue CCW because of this blatant disrespect for the Constitution.

Everyone who votes for this crap should be tried for treason.

This is the kind of idiocy we have to deal with from our elected officials in CA:

"If this law was in place, maybe [shooting suspect] James Holmes might have been discovered. Police officers could question why this person has a gun near a theater."

 

[shortylickens]

Thats fine. Let the good people be victims. If they're too dumb to fight the politicians, they are lost anyway.

 

[berzerker60]

Yes, look at the poor Californians:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state

If only they could have looser gun laws maybe they would be able to enjoy a citizen-protected utopia like South Carolina with its 33% more per capita firearms murders.

Obviously these gun laws haven't solved every problem, but how dare lawmakers try to address these problems, while leaving gun use to well-regulated militias!

 

[Smoblikat]

I thought the Amendments only applied to federal laws? Im all for the states making their own laws, if we dont like them then the politicians dont get elected, plain and simple. Look at marijuana laws, states are flipping off big brother by not "protecting people from themselves".

 

[schneiderguy]

Yes, look at the poor Californians:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state

If only they could have looser gun laws maybe they would be able to enjoy a citizen-protected utopia like South Carolina with its 33% more per capita firearms murders.

Obviously these gun laws haven't solved every problem, but how dare lawmakers try to address these problems, while leaving gun use to well-regulated militias!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_South_Carolina
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_California

I'll leave you to interpret those yourself. Hint: it has something to do with South Carolina having a very large population of a certain race that commits violent crimes at a rate far above the national average.

 

[schneiderguy]

I thought the Amendments only applied to federal laws? Im all for the states making their own laws, if we dont like them then the politicians dont get elected, plain and simple. Look at marijuana laws, states are flipping off big brother by not "protecting people from themselves".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald_v._Chicago

Most of the bill of rights has been incorporated against the states. The parts that haven't the states are free to ignore for the moment, but IMO they should not be able to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_of_the_Bill_of_Rights

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Totally fine with this. I see no need for anyone to be openly carrying a firearm in a public place. If you want to hunt, fine. If you want to have a gun in your house to protect your family, fine. But let's stop pretending that we're stopping violent crime by letting people carry loaded weapons in public.

The less guns there are on the streets and the more difficult it is to obtain one the better.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Yes, look at the poor Californians:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state

If only they could have looser gun laws maybe they would be able to enjoy a citizen-protected utopia like South Carolina with its 33% more per capita firearms murders.

Obviously these gun laws haven't solved every problem, but how dare lawmakers try to address these problems, while leaving gun use to well-regulated militias!

Got love how you didn't even read the article you linked.

In fact, gun crime, like all crime across the US (and the UK, for that matter), is going down - you can see how much in the graph above.

Now lets put this into context. Gun laws across most states have actually been loosened and many states have become "shall issue" on top of allow open carry.

The figures show that California had the highest number of gun murders last year - 1,257, which is 69% of all murders that year and equivalent to 3.37 per 100,000 people in the state. Big as that figure is, it's still down by 8% on the previous year.

So basically our guns laws in California and other areas with restrictive gun laws have no impact on crime stats.

In fact Washington D.C. (which has just as strict gun control laws) has per capita a higher gun related crime rate then Louisiana.


Edit: If you don't want to compare Washington D.C. to a state then lets compare it to a city of equal or greater size. Take San Jose, CA for example and compare the guns laws and crime stats in order to arrive to the same conclusion, i.e. gun laws have no demonstrable real effect on overall long term violence or gun violence in general.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

You can blame all the dolts who felt the need to show off their 2nd amendment rights on youtube.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

You can blame all the dolts who felt the need to show off their 2nd amendment rights on youtube.

I'm so tired of those who have the mentality of misplacing the blame on government's abusive actions on those exercising their rights. Rights are there to be exercised.

thus I don't blame gun owners for exercising their rights.

Just like I wouldn't blame minor groups like the OWS crowd if government would attempt to clamp down on the 1st amendment using this minority group's outburst as a means to wipe their ass with our Constitution and clamp down on the freedom of experiencing political speech for our "own good".

I do blame our conniving politicians (and those who elect them) who gravitate toward pandering to emotionally irrational fear.

 

[Wreckem]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/cal...ers-ban-on-open-carrying-rifles-shotguns.html

In California it will be illegal to:

Open carry a loaded handgun in public
Open carry a loaded rifle in public
Open carry an unloaded handgun in public (passed last year)
Open carry an unloaded rifle in public (when this passes)

Since most counties will not issue concealed carry permits, there is no way for the majority of Californians to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights.

I can't wait till California gets a smackdown by the Supreme Court and every state is forced to go shall-issue CCW because of this blatant disrespect for the Constitution.

Everyone who votes for this crap should be tried for treason.

This is the kind of idiocy we have to deal with from our elected officials in CA:

Texas doesn't allow open carry either... And most of the time you dont hear gun nutters attacking that.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Texas doesn't allow open carry either...

True but they are a "shall issue" state and gun restrictions are way more lax then California.

 

[lotus503]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/cal...ers-ban-on-open-carrying-rifles-shotguns.html

In California it will be illegal to:

Open carry a loaded handgun in public
Open carry a loaded rifle in public
Open carry an unloaded handgun in public (passed last year)
Open carry an unloaded rifle in public (when this passes)

Since most counties will not issue concealed carry permits, there is no way for the majority of Californians to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights.

I can't wait till California gets a smackdown by the Supreme Court and every state is forced to go shall-issue CCW because of this blatant disrespect for the Constitution.

Everyone who votes for this crap should be tried for treason.

This is the kind of idiocy we have to deal with from our elected officials in CA:

You have the right to bear arms. The state has the right to tell you not to carry a loaded weapon.

If you don't like it, feel free to move to a state that has laws more in line with your beliefs.

 

[schneiderguy]

You have the right to bear arms. The state has the right to tell you not to carry a loaded weapon.

If you don't like it, feel free to move to a state that has laws more in line with your beliefs.

Joke's on them, I'm staying here to get my taxpayer subsidized college education then I'm moving :thumbsup:

And no, the state doesn't have me a right to tell me that, anymore than they have a right to tell me I can't criticize the government.

 

[RampantAndroid]

I thought the Amendments only applied to federal laws? Im all for the states making their own laws, if we dont like them then the politicians dont get elected, plain and simple. Look at marijuana laws, states are flipping off big brother by not "protecting people from themselves".

Go read the 14th amendment.

 

[RampantAndroid]

You have the right to bear arms. The state has the right to tell you not to carry a loaded weapon.

If you don't like it, feel free to move to a state that has laws more in line with your beliefs.

Go read the 14th amendment. They have no such right.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

lol

criminals don't follow laws esp gun ones

 

[Rainsford]

I'm not being a smart-ass, but does the 2nd amendment really protect totally unrestricted open carry of weapons? Even in a place like Texas, I suspect openly carrying a shotgun through a shopping mall would cause a bit of a stir. The California law here doesn't seem THAT unreasonable, all things considered.

 

[Anarchist420]

Schneiderguy is usually right but he's wrong here... and that is because the 14th amendment is illegal and the u.s. federalist constitution is unconstitutional. In other words, CA is well within their 2nd article of confederation rights to ban guns.

I wouldn't like va to ban guns, but it would be the law and you've got to respect the rule of law which the 14th amendment is the antithesis of.

 

[First]

Schneiderguy is usually right but he's wrong here... and that is because the 14th amendment is illegal and the u.s. federalist constitution is unconstitutional. In other words, CA is well within their 2nd article of confederation rights to ban guns.

I wouldn't like va to ban guns, but it would be the law and you've got to respect the rule of law which the 14th amendment is the antithesis of.

Stop posting.

 

[DrPizza]

If you didn't have a garage and were parked on the street, wouldn't this make it illegal to leave your house with your shotgun to go hunting?

 

[theevilsharpie]

Schneiderguy is usually right but he's wrong here... and that is because the 14th amendment is illegal and the u.s. federalist constitution is unconstitutional. In other words, CA is well within their 2nd article of confederation rights to ban guns.

I don't normally feed your trolls, but goddamn you post the dumbest shit.

 

[schneiderguy]

I'm not being a smart-ass, but does the 2nd amendment really protect totally unrestricted open carry of weapons? Even in a place like Texas, I suspect openly carrying a shotgun through a shopping mall would cause a bit of a stir. The California law here doesn't seem THAT unreasonable, all things considered.

The issue is that there's NO way to legally carry once they ban unloaded open carry.

I would be OK with the law as long as there was a way to legally carry. There isn't. I understand that open carrying causes problems (personally I wish people wouldn't do it just to make a political point) but it was the last method of legally carrying a gun left in California.

 

[schneiderguy]

If you didn't have a garage and were parked on the street, wouldn't this make it illegal to leave your house with your shotgun to go hunting?

It'd have to be in a locked case, if I understand the bill correctly.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Oh joy, more pointless arguing about the "well armed militia" crap.

Can't we just move on? Not something we shoud be wasting our time on.

And treason? Hyperbole much?