theflyingpig
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Gays have no buisness getting married. Let them have their civil unions. Doing this will quell the anger on both sides. Everyone knows this.
Honestly, what impresses me most about this debate is the well thought out arguments presented :roll:
theflyingpig
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This study was debunked by another study done in New York. It was proven that the benefits of civil unions were at least as good as those of marriage. The study also proved that couples joined in civil union were, in general, more likely to live happily ever after.
blackangst1
Lifer
- Feb 23, 2005
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When is California going to realize Californians do NOT want gay marriage?
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63B5N620100412
Gay marriage fails to get on California ballot
SAN FRANCISCO
Mon Apr 12, 2010 5:05pm EDT
SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - A challenge to California's gay marriage ban failed on Monday to qualify for the 2010 ballot, leaving gay activists mulling a 2012 push and hoping a federal court will overturn the measure before then.
Los Angeles-based Love Honor Cherish carried out a volunteer-driven signature-gathering effort after large groups decided there was not enough time to ensure victory this year, even with some polls showing more than 50 percent support for same-sex marriage.
A 150-day period to gather signatures to place the question on the ballot ended on Monday.
Courts and state legislatures have legalized same-sex marriage in five U.S. states and the District of Columbia, but popular votes have always rejected such unions, which are illegal in the vast majority of U.S. states.
California voters in November 2008 ended a summer of court-allowed gay marriage by enacting a ban on same-sex unions by a 52 to 48 percent vote. The move by the trend-setting state enthused social conservatives and stunned lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender supporters nationwide.
A San Francisco federal court now is weighing whether the U.S. Constitution prohibits Proposition 8, which defined marriage as a union of a man and a woman. That battle is expected to be appealed up to the U.S. Supreme Court.
"That trial I think is the most import single event in the modern LGBT equality movement," said Rick Jacobs, head of the Courage Campaign, speaking of the gay and lesbian movement. His community organizing group considered a 2010 push but decided it was too soon.
"If the court rules that Prop 8 is unconstitutional, that is going to catalyze folks on both sides," he said.
Many gay activists are wary of the Supreme Court bid, fearing conservative justices would not support their cause.
Love Honor Cherish Executive Director John Henning said if voters overturned Proposition 8 in 2012 -- the next time a ballot measure could qualify -- it could effectively take the issue out of the Court's hands.
"I'd rather repeal Prop 8 than see the Supreme Court review it, given the current composition of the court," Henning said.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63B5N620100412
Gay marriage fails to get on California ballot
SAN FRANCISCO
Mon Apr 12, 2010 5:05pm EDT
SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - A challenge to California's gay marriage ban failed on Monday to qualify for the 2010 ballot, leaving gay activists mulling a 2012 push and hoping a federal court will overturn the measure before then.
Los Angeles-based Love Honor Cherish carried out a volunteer-driven signature-gathering effort after large groups decided there was not enough time to ensure victory this year, even with some polls showing more than 50 percent support for same-sex marriage.
A 150-day period to gather signatures to place the question on the ballot ended on Monday.
Courts and state legislatures have legalized same-sex marriage in five U.S. states and the District of Columbia, but popular votes have always rejected such unions, which are illegal in the vast majority of U.S. states.
California voters in November 2008 ended a summer of court-allowed gay marriage by enacting a ban on same-sex unions by a 52 to 48 percent vote. The move by the trend-setting state enthused social conservatives and stunned lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender supporters nationwide.
A San Francisco federal court now is weighing whether the U.S. Constitution prohibits Proposition 8, which defined marriage as a union of a man and a woman. That battle is expected to be appealed up to the U.S. Supreme Court.
"That trial I think is the most import single event in the modern LGBT equality movement," said Rick Jacobs, head of the Courage Campaign, speaking of the gay and lesbian movement. His community organizing group considered a 2010 push but decided it was too soon.
"If the court rules that Prop 8 is unconstitutional, that is going to catalyze folks on both sides," he said.
Many gay activists are wary of the Supreme Court bid, fearing conservative justices would not support their cause.
Love Honor Cherish Executive Director John Henning said if voters overturned Proposition 8 in 2012 -- the next time a ballot measure could qualify -- it could effectively take the issue out of the Court's hands.
"I'd rather repeal Prop 8 than see the Supreme Court review it, given the current composition of the court," Henning said.
glenn1
Lifer
- Sep 6, 2000
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Not good news, but IMHO it's just a matter of time in CA. In the meantime, it might make sense for LGBT organizations to redeploy resources from CA to other states that would represent "low-hanging fruit."
Funny, Californians are so against gay marriage that the polls for a long time showed it passing by a large majority until millions of out of state dollars from conservative groups including Mormons, conservative Catholics and others funded an advertising campaign that shifted enough voters for a narrow defeat. IMO we'll pass it, if the federal court doesn't make it a moot point. There seems a good chance the district court will fing the ban unconstitutional, but the radical right Supremes might not agree.
thraashman
Lifer
- Apr 10, 2000
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I'm pretty sure that The South didn't want to free the slaves either. But I seem to recall reading about this war that ended up occurring because of that. A majority has NO right to treat a minority unequally if it hurts only the minority and if treating them equally would hurt no one. I'm sorry that you seem to have failed your civics class, but mistreating a group because you don't like their different ways is not a valid argument for enacting laws that affect no one but that minority and effects them negatively.
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