California giving drivers license's to illegals

[Thebobo]

Amendment X:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."



What is your source to this claim? I do not believe California has such a law.

Lol I'm not talking about the Government infringing on state laws. I'm talking the state themselves.

You need a Social Security number to legally work in this country. You know pay taxes and stuff. You can get a SS number if you are not a citizen but you have to be here legally ie green card. Is there another states right argument incoming?

 

[Humpy]

Lol I'm not talking about the Government infringing on state laws. I'm talking the state themselves.

You need a Social Security number to legally work in this country. You know pay taxes and stuff. You can get a SS number if you are not a citizen but you have to be here legally ie green card. Is there another states right argument incoming?

No arguments from me.

These discussions often seem to confuse State laws and how they are enforced with Federal laws and how they are enforced.

California is not bound by most Federal law (Amendment X). You asked how a state can legally issue a drivers license to an illegal immigrant. This is how.

They have full legal authority to issue driver's licenses, professional licenses, etc. to pretty much anyone they choose. An illegal immigrant can be licensed to practice law and be licensed to drive to the law office in CA.

None of that stuff about immigration, SS cards, and green cards has anything to do with the State of California. In fact I believe they are constitutionally prevented from being involved in these matters.

 

[JEDIYoda]

This just blows me away, the thinking of the lady in the video. She is not a criminal, except the part about being here illegally, and driving without a license.

http://news.yahoo.com/video/undocume...222102571.html

It should blow you away!!
Your thread title is not accurate and you know it!!

The illegals still must pass the written portion of the drivers test and then taker a behind the wheel exam......
I do not see where anybody is being given a license. Please point it out....

 

[compuwiz1]

I'm of the mindset that, if illegals are allowed to remain in this country, I'd rather have a licensed and insured driver hit me, if I were to be involved in an accident. Trying to collect damages from an uninsured goes nowhere. I'd hate to have serious injury or damage to my vehicle and not be able to recover a dime.....but that's just me.

This is one of those things that I am begrudgingly in favor of, even though I don't like the concept of illegals having rights in this country.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Every continuing gift we give to illegal immigrants makes the problem harder to deal with. Think about it this way when the very first guy swam across the Rio Grande. Kick him out. His buddies come over? Kick him out. His families come over boot them?

Then some more make it over, and families make it over, and give birth to children. You be more lenient on the children but harder on the original offenders, blah blah blah. More people come over. We start giving them jobs, we start giving them licenses, IDs, blah blah blah. Everytime we fail to act, they cement themselves more into our society.

At a certain point, it makes it impossible for this country to do anything against illegal immigrants. Do something against them? We get criticized as being anti immigration in general even if we're just against rulebreakers. Honestly, the whole illegal immigration thing pisses me off. As a second generation American, I feel that this is a slap in the face to my parents who worked their asses off to come here with student visas and are productive members of society.

Its absurd now. I get the argument that if they're going to drive, we should make sure they can be identified or have licenses, but at the same time we're caving in bit by bit. At a certain point we might as well just let anyone come over. I mean seriously, what do you say to my cousins who spent years and years waiting for green cards? I guess you guys should've just overstayed your visas and integrated because you know... certain parts of LA are just as Asian as there are parts that are practically Mexican. Come on.

 

[bradly1101]

I'm also against the practice of giving illegal immigrants ANYTHING,

Where did all the Christians go? Helping the needy and less fortunate is a Christian ethic.

 

[boomerang]

Where did all the Christians go? Helping the needy and less fortunate is a Christian ethic.

How far should that extend? Worldwide? To every criminal around the world not just those that broke our laws coming here? Is that what you pray for in church on Sunday mornings?

Leftists = emotional morons. We can't afford you anymore.

 

[boomerang]

I get the argument that if they're going to drive, we should make sure they can be identified or have licenses, but at the same time we're caving in bit by bit.

It's more than a bit, it's a huge step towards legitimacy. I don't feed stray cats because I learned a long time ago that it attracts even more stray cats. Next they are shitting in the flower beds, marking their territory, fighting over the food and having kittens under the porch.

 

[boomerang]

This is one of those things that I am begrudgingly in favor of, even though I don't like the concept of illegals having rights in this country.

Wrong! Don't be in favor of it. These types of rationalizations are what got us where we are today with illegal immigration and what will intensify it. Be in favor of mass deportations. We have an immigration system in place in this nation. It is in place for a reason. If you want to immigrate here, abide by it. There must be no other option.

Ignoring our laws on an individual basis does not serve the nation well. Abide by them or change them as needed.

 

[Matt1970]

Wrong! Don't be in favor of it. These types of rationalizations are what got us where we are today with illegal immigration and what will intensify it. Be in favor of mass deportations. We have an immigration system in place in this nation. It is in place for a reason. If you want to immigrate here, abide by it. There must be no other option.

Ignoring our laws on an individual basis does not serve the nation well. Abide by them or change them as needed.

It's just one more tool to use when arguing for them to become citizens.

They are already here.
Their children are here.
They are cheap labor.
They already have driver licenses.
It's too hard to round them up.

 

[boomerang]

It's just one more tool to use when arguing for them to become citizens.

They are already here.
Their children are here.
They are cheap labor.
They already have driver licenses.
It's too hard to round them up.

Exactly right. Chip, chip, chip away it all the while forgetting that they have broken our laws coming here. Drill down to the root cause of the situation and you have a law breaker. We should not be rewarding that behavior.

Regardless, these are not ignorant people and I imagine the turnout for DL's will not be that large. If I was in their situation the status quo would be fine for me. Why draw attention to yourself? Why expose yourself to additional expenses? It's just less money to send back to Mexico.

I have a thread going with the figures showing it's far cheaper to deport them all than to keep them here. Why is it the left is so in favor of a healthcare system that must ration care yet have no qualms with supporting people from other nations that will produce a negative return? How do they justify keeping these people here essentially as slave labor? Why is it that they feel wealth cannot be created yet are convinced that a pie can be cut into infinitesimally small pieces and indefinitely too?

We can no longer afford their mode of thinking. It must be stopped.

 

[Humpy]

Abide by them or change them as needed.

Agreed. The law says you have to have a driver's license to drive in CA. It was nice to see the news that large numbers of people showed up at the DMV offices yesterday to voluntarily follow the law.

When people say to "follow the law" they often really mean "follow the laws I think you should follow but it's OK to ignore some of them, I do". Or they are the type to favor a massive Federal government whose laws take priority over all others and should be enforced by any and all agencies.

 

[Jaskalas]

Its like they somehow missed that these people are here illegally.

There's a line of thoughtful explanation missing from why people living here the rest of their lives are best treated equally.

If you are appalled by ignoring their illegal status, answer me this. Do you honestly think any of them are being deported? Are ever going to be? No, I don't. I expect the folks we're discussing are permanent residents for all intents and purposes.

Now that we've realized we're stuck with them, the question is how do we best handle that?

 

[Matt1970]

There's a line of thoughtful explanation missing from why people living here the rest of their lives are best treated equally.

If you are appalled by ignoring their illegal status, answer me this. Do you honestly think any of them are being deported? Are ever going to be? No, I don't. I expect the folks we're discussing are permanent residents for all intents and purposes.

Now that we've realized we're stuck with them, the question is how do we best handle that?

If we decide we are never going to deport them, we are basically turning our whole immigration process into a small obstacle course. Can you cross a shallow creek and jump a fence? Might as well just stand on the other side of the fence and hand out immigration cards.

 

[Zaap]

The whole issue of rounding up and deporting people is a red herring, why do people keep whipping that dead horse? (Same as walling in the border is a red herring and a dead horse.) We're never going to do any mass round up/deportation, so stop dreaming. Nor do we even need to.

Plenty of people will SELF-DEPORT when we no longer cater to them and make it unprofitable to be here leeching off of and undermining the system. People come here because they know too many Americans and virtually all politicians are suckers.

Also make it a losing proposition for businesses to hire illegal labor- reattach the stigma to getting caught doing it, levy heavy, crushing fines on those that persist- to the point it's no longer worth the risk, vs. just hiring a legal citizen or legally here migrant worker for a fair, above board wage.

Will everyone illegal self-deport if we make being here illegal no fun at all and unprofitable? Of course not. Some will be illegally here no matter what. But it would shrink down to a manageable number, and most importantly, not encourage the next wave to bother coming here.

Why is this so difficult to figure out? It's how *most* other countries on the planet do it, and if you don't believe me, go try and be an open illegal alien in most other countries.

Most won't accept you with open arms, and most haven't fallen for the ruse that allowing you whatever you want in their country -including undermining their native labor- is a "Civil Rights" issue, like so many dopes in this country have fallen for.

 

[WackyDan]

CA is where most of the U.S. Navy and all of the USMC is located. If you stopped selling us power we would just make you start again.

I don't know why I back tracked to this again...But it does point out how utterly stupid your claims tend to be.

All the USMC is located in CA? I suggest you do some research.

Most of the USN? Again... Utterly stupid claim.

 

[TreVader]

I don't know why I back tracked to this again...But it does point out how utterly stupid your claims tend to be.



All the USMC is located in CA? I suggest you do some research.



Most of the USN? Again... Utterly stupid claim.

LOL. I was responding to the (your) equally stupid suggestion that all neighboring states should stop selling CA power in order to punish them (or something?).

So now you see WackyDan, that your own stupidity begets stupidity!

Better hit the books! I suggest you start at the Dictionary definition for "hypocrite"

 

[ivwshane]

Other than the spurious arguments our righty friends have offered up, what exactly is the argument against this?

Do illegal immigrants now get to take advantage of government programs?

I can see the benefits such as more tax revenue for the state, people will now have a better chance of getting reimbursed when involved in traffic accidents, better tracking of illegals.

 

[JEDIYoda]

so let me get this right.......
You would rater be driving down the road and get in an accident caused by an illegal immigrant with no Drivers license or insurance?

OR WOULD YOU Rather the illegal; immigrant have a drivers license that they recieved by passing a written examination and a behind the wheel test?

Who drivers license was tied to having proof of insurance in order to drive a vehicle?

Seems like a no brainer to me......
I would rather the illegal immigrant have a license that basically says they took the written and the driving test. That way at least there is some proof they know the laws and are insured.....

Of course there will always be those who drive anyways and do so with no insurance.
Hell, even citizens of the united states have been known to drive with no license or insurance....

 

[Zaap]

Of course you didn't get it right.

The real choice is, you're driving down the road and hundreds of thousands of people who aren't supposed to be in the country in the first place, AREN'T, therefore you're not driving with them.

Anyone caught driving without a licence or under the influence should have their car impounded immediately and charged hefty enough fines that virtually no one would want to risk doing that. And for citizens- it is pretty much like that.

For illegals?

Nope!

LAPD's No-Tow Policy For The Unlicensed & Undocumented is Safe For Now

http://www.laweekly.com/informer/20...e-unlicensed-and-undocumented-is-safe-for-now

The L.A. City Attorney's office today announced that a state appeals court ruled in City Hall's favor, allowing cops to not tow and impound the vehicles of unlicensed drivers stopped by officers or ensnared in DUI checkpoints.

Yup, you read that right.

Nobody fucks with the slave trade.

 

[michal1980]

so let me get this right.......
You would rater be driving down the road and get in an accident caused by an illegal immigrant with no Drivers license or insurance?

OR WOULD YOU Rather the illegal; immigrant have a drivers license that they recieved by passing a written examination and a behind the wheel test?

Who drivers license was tied to having proof of insurance in order to drive a vehicle?

Seems like a no brainer to me......
I would rather the illegal immigrant have a license that basically says they took the written and the driving test. That way at least there is some proof they know the laws and are insured.....

Of course there will always be those who drive anyways and do so with no insurance.
Hell, even citizens of the united states have been known to drive with no license or insurance....

talk about false choices.

I'd rather the illegal not be here at all.

 

[Humpy]

Other than the spurious arguments our righty friends have offered up, what exactly is the argument against this?

Do illegal immigrants now get to take advantage of government programs?

I can see the benefits such as more tax revenue for the state, people will now have a better chance of getting reimbursed when involved in traffic accidents, better tracking of illegals.

There isn't much evidence that ~2.5% of the U.S. population being here without the proper paperwork is an actual problem for the country. There is even less evidence that a percentage of that percentage being able to acquire a driver's license is also an actual problem.

In before a link to someone's blog proving that everything would be fine if not for illegal immigration.

 

[Humpy]

Nobody fucks with the slave trade.

We must rescue these poor bastards from slavery!

For their own good we will pluck them from their homes and families, pack them onto transports, and deliver them to freedom.

 

[JEDIYoda]

talk about false choices.

I'd rather the illegal not be here at all.

Not at all.....

To get the license the illegal immigrant has to pass the written test and then a behind the wheel test!

then once they get a vehicle their drivers license is tied to their having insurance....
Most illegal immigrants are honest hard working people with families and they would have a lot to lose driving with no license......

Since you would rather the illegals not be here at all...
I suppose that you are willing to work out in the fields picking lettuce.....

 

[Matt1970]

Not at all.....

To get the license the illegal immigrant has to pass the written test and then a behind the wheel test!

then once they get a vehicle their drivers license is tied to their having insurance....
Most illegal immigrants are honest hard working people with families and they would have a lot to lose driving with no license......

Since you would rather the illegals not be here at all...
I suppose that you are willing to work out in the fields picking lettuce.....

They aren't supposed to be here at all, much less here and driving (a privilege) so since they are going to break the law by driving anyways, lets give them licenses and hope the buy insurance. There are a lot of underage drivers out there, lets force them to get licenses or how about all the people with suspended licenses? A lot of them drive anyways so lets just give them back their license.