I lived in Orange County for most of my life and am now 'refugee' in AZ. But even if there was no prop 13 the rise in property taxes wouldn't help the 40 billion dollar short fall 30 years later.
I lived in Orange County for most of my life and am now 'refugee' in AZ. But even if there was no prop 13 the rise in property taxes wouldn't help the 40 billion dollar short fall 30 years later.
I'm sure if there was a place to go, they'd leave, willingly. Name me a conservative (and white) country and I'll pack my bags tomorrow.
*crickets*
Like I always tell people selling their houses here, once you move-you can't come back.
There is no way you can afford to move back. Enjoy the sticks.
You wimps need to suck it up and pay the taxes ( and the rent/mortgage) if you want to live in the most beautiful state.
Right, but that wasn't my point. Again as I said, the tax rate changes by Prop 13 aren't the problem, it's the difficulty in budgeting caused by an extremely unstable tax base made necessary by Prop 13 that's the problem. In the stock market runup, California got huge tax receipts from capital gains taxes, etc. Now when the stock market tanked, those have pretty much disappeared. How do you deal with such huge shifts in tax revenue from year to year? That's why Prop 13 was a dumb idea... and honestly that's why the whole proposition thing is a bad idea. People didn't look at long term consequences.
That's interesting, the first thing Arnold did was cut the car tax, thus blowing a big hole in the state budget. Doesn't sound like a Democrat to me. However, he is willing to work with Democrats to get things done, that is very unlike a Republican.
This is a recent Republican ploy, whenever a Republican does something you don't like, he is a RINO. He's not really a Republican.
Because I'm white and it's easier to be productive in a country where you don't have culture clashes. I've lived in Denver, and you have parts of town that were almost like Mexico where all the billboards were in spanish, and going to little cheesers pizza and fighting with the hispanic gal behind the counter because I was speaking English seems to be counter productive. When living in diverse areas, you will learn quickly that things just don't seem to work out very well. One group of people will intimidate another. Much like we see a culture clash when we talk about red vs blue... Having blues tell reds to pack their bags and get lost is not productive and doesn't inspire me to better myself while living in a blue area. Much like minorities in this white country of ours (USA) feel intimidated by whites and are generally less productive as well for the same reasons I just mentioned.
I hope you understand.
dainthomas
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Because most countries that are non-white and conservative are at war with the US. Dodging hippies is preferable to dodging MOABs and IEDs.
Nope, totally don't understand.
As far as you telling me what I will learn when living in diverse areas, just where do you think I live? I live in San Diego. SD county and the surrounding areas are every bit as culturally diverse as Denver, and it works just fine for me. You know how long it took me to learn how to order food from people who only spoke Spanish? About 30 seconds. Along with your 'culture clash' you also have the incredible benefit of having people from different backgrounds, etc. All wanting to live in an area with only whitey in it shows me is that you're afraid of the rest of the world, and you need to get out more.
The minorities you are talking about are members of negative reference groups. I sincerely doubt a white westerner would be part of a negative reference group no matter where he moved. This just seems to be a sign to me that you should broaden your horizons.
I had a friend of mine who lived in San Diego (he moved but lived there for about 3 years and I'd go and visit from time to time for a week). I must say San Diego is a very nice place. It was very down to earth with cool and relaxed people. I loved the pubs downtown where you could eat outside. You are lucky to live there.
I've also lived in very poor areas of Minneapolis and went to school about 3 blocks from the worst part of town at the time. I had a friend of mine who lived a block away from me and we used to walk (or should I say run) to school. Atleast once a month we were chased to or from school from a mob of minorities, and a few times they snuck up on us and were unable to get away and we'd get beat up. I even asked one once as they were beating up my friend "Why?" The response "I am mad at white people today." I guess those memories make me fearful. Maybe I need to get out more, but I guess I've been chased enough in my lifetime where I just prefer to be with my own kind.
To each their own, but I guess I'd call it my preference, and like I said, find me a conservative white country and I'll pack my bags tomorrow.
It wouldn't matter anyway ... something like 85% of the spending is mandated by law. Unless and until you get some legislators willing to cutback on your handouts, you're stuck.
Personally, I think legislators and other top government folks should be paid on a percentage of a budget surplus, with the cap being their current base. At the bottom end, they only get benefots given to the least qualified welfare recipient (food, medical, housing); once they break even and start building surplus, then they get more salary and the usual perks.
But the purpose of government isn't to have a budget surplus. In about 2 weeks all government services would be canceled, half the state would be on fire, we'd have the same level of taxation with nothing to show for it, and a colossal budget surplus.
glenn1
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To those complaining about Republicans holding up what you feel are needed tax increases - so what do think the proper amount of tax increase is? Please name specific figures/percentages, and what type of taxes (e.g. "I Craig234 feel that the top marginal tax rate of 9.3% on every dollar of income earned over $40,346 should be raised to xx.x%").
Republicans would rather go back to gravel roads, home schooling, and no running water than to pay an extra $100 year taxes. Shows how stupid they are and LOL@people from shithole red states trying to act like they can compare to California.
Zebo
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I grew up in California Costa mesa, then went to school in SLO left at 26 in 1997 and have not looked back. When we visit my parents flying into Ontario my eyes start watering from smog and you can't even see billboards 400 yards away. The traffic is suffocating the beaches are now filled with gangs and generally it's not the Socal I grew up in. If they raise taxes I think even more people will leave just because it's not worth staying anymore due to quality of life is not as good. But maybe I'm wrong - I left for a job and found other places better and an affinity for rural lifestyle more attractive than cold ass water.
my parents and sister still love it though...My favorite place is deserts if I moved back it would be El Centro, Indio or something.
my parents and sister still love it though...My favorite place is deserts if I moved back it would be El Centro, Indio or something.
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http://www.kfiam640.com/pages/johnandkenshow/
More CA tax raping fun!!!
TAX CALCULATOR TO CALCULATE THE SPANKING YOU WILL GET!!!
Abel Maldonado is about one reach-around away from breaking out the knee pads & whoring out his "yes" vote to the rest of the thieves in Sacramento & making this full-on rape of the people of California a reality!!!
More CA tax raping fun!!!
TAX CALCULATOR TO CALCULATE THE SPANKING YOU WILL GET!!!
Abel Maldonado is about one reach-around away from breaking out the knee pads & whoring out his "yes" vote to the rest of the thieves in Sacramento & making this full-on rape of the people of California a reality!!!
The people who used violence against you were wrong, period.
The problem with your conservative white country is less that country, than the way the people in that country will vote for a big military that allows the exploitation of others.
As wrong as the people were who used violence above, they suffer poverty for reasons that are simply wrong as well, a century of racist policies affecting them for skin color.
Do you lose much sleep about the wrongs they experience?
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