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California Democrats in Damage Control

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Dragnov

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Well I'm glad to see California Democrats aren't as stupid as I thought they were. Conceding victory, and saying to put away the partisanship. They say, they aren't going to take the results to court, or another recall either. (Changing from their previous stance.)

Looks like they can still salvage the California votes for 2004 Presedential Election possibly.
 
Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
Well I'm glad to see California Democrats aren't as stupid as I thought they were. Conceding victory, and saying to put away the partisanship. They say, they aren't going to take the results to court, or another recall either. (Changing from their previous stance.)

Looks like they can still salvage the California votes for 2004 Presedential Election possibly.
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I think there will be demand for recalling arnold before it is over. I do however, hope i am wrong.
 
I think there will be demand for recalling arnold before it is over. I do however, hope i am wrong.
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If the Democrats do, I think thats political suicide. People are simply tired of this.

But then again, if they go along w/ Arnold easily and he does well... they still might lose California in the 2004 Presedential Election.

It's going to be interesting what the Democrats are going to do.

This is why I :heart: Politics. It's just so interesting.
 
Don't think another recall is going to happen, most democrats and republicans alike are sick of it already.

I gueininely wish Arnold good luck, I hope he has what it takes to be a good governor and bring California out of this mess. What keeps me hopeful, is that hes a social liberals and he has a couple of democratic advisors.
 
McClintok would have been the pick of the litter but curiously the CA GOP lined up behind star power. Considering Arnold really has no policy ideas and much of CA spending is mandated via initiatives . . . it will be interesting who he picks to give him ideas about how to solve CA problems. I see a dramatic rise in CA fees (which the GOP will claim are different from tax increases).
 
I think there will be demand for recalling arnold before it is over. I do however, hope i am wrong.
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Davis' crowd was chanting "recall recall" during his concession speech. The recall wheels are already spinning........but somehow I doubt they'll convince the voters to go along with it. One thing for sure is that the Democratic party is in chaos. What's their message anyway? "Republicans are stupid?" Yeah, that's going over well for 'em........keep it up Democrats, I surely do appreciate your message!!!!! 😀
 
I don't think Bush will win CA. For one he is socially conservative, which won't play well in CA. There is also just a lot of bad blood after what his FERC did (or more exactly didn't do) in 2001. Bush is too associated with the energy companies who robbed CA. But if Bush wants to waste his campaign money trying, more power to him. I think CA could use some pandering. 😉
 
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
McClintok would have been the pick of the litter but curiously the CA GOP lined up behind star power. Considering Arnold really has no policy ideas and much of CA spending is mandated via initiatives . . . it will be interesting who he picks to give him ideas about how to solve CA problems. I see a dramatic rise in CA fees (which the GOP will claim are different from tax increases).
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CA's fees should be inline with the rest of the US. Currently they are not. I still find it laughable about all the bitching that went on the with CAs CC tution increase. All I can say is cry me a river.
 
Originally posted by: SuperTool
I don't think Bush will win CA. For one he is socially conservative, which won't play well in CA. There is also just a lot of bad blood after what his FERC did (or more exactly didn't do) in 2001. Bush is too associated with the energy companies who robbed CA. But if Bush wants to waste his campaign money trying, more power to him. I think CA could use some pandering. 😉
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IMHO he has a better shot of winning in CA in 2004, than he did in 2000. FERC did jack sh!t under Clinton, lets remember now that CAs energy crisis started before Bush became president. You cant blame Bush for CA's energy problem, its 25% energy corps, 25% CA/, 25% Clinton and 25% Bush. I guess Bush could have always told Davis what Clinton told Davis "pass the cost on to the consumers".
 
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: SuperTool
I don't think Bush will win CA. For one he is socially conservative, which won't play well in CA. There is also just a lot of bad blood after what his FERC did (or more exactly didn't do) in 2001. Bush is too associated with the energy companies who robbed CA. But if Bush wants to waste his campaign money trying, more power to him. I think CA could use some pandering. 😉
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IMHO he has a better shot of winning in CA in 2004, than he did in 2000. FERC did jack sh!t under Clinton, lets remember now that CAs energy crisis started before Bush became president. You cant blame Bush for CA's energy problem, its 25% energy corps, 25% CA/, 25% Clinton and 25% Bush. I guess Bush could have always told Davis what Clinton told Davis "pass the cost on to the consumers".
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Like I said, if GOP wants to put their money where your mouth is, that's fine by me. The more money they spend on pricey CA advertising, the less money left to spend elsewhere.
 
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: SuperTool
I don't think Bush will win CA. For one he is socially conservative, which won't play well in CA. There is also just a lot of bad blood after what his FERC did (or more exactly didn't do) in 2001. Bush is too associated with the energy companies who robbed CA. But if Bush wants to waste his campaign money trying, more power to him. I think CA could use some pandering. 😉
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IMHO he has a better shot of winning in CA in 2004, than he did in 2000. FERC did jack sh!t under Clinton, lets remember now that CAs energy crisis started before Bush became president. You cant blame Bush for CA's energy problem, its 25% energy corps, 25% CA/, 25% Clinton and 25% Bush. I guess Bush could have always told Davis what Clinton told Davis "pass the cost on to the consumers".
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Like I said, if GOP wants to put their money where your mouth is, that's fine by me. The more money they spend on pricey CA advertising, the less money left to spend elsewhere.
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Same goes for the other side. If the dems are forced to defend a state they should have, it will be finacially bad(if not worse) for them too.
 
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: SuperTool
I don't think Bush will win CA. For one he is socially conservative, which won't play well in CA. There is also just a lot of bad blood after what his FERC did (or more exactly didn't do) in 2001. Bush is too associated with the energy companies who robbed CA. But if Bush wants to waste his campaign money trying, more power to him. I think CA could use some pandering. 😉
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IMHO he has a better shot of winning in CA in 2004, than he did in 2000. FERC did jack sh!t under Clinton, lets remember now that CAs energy crisis started before Bush became president. You cant blame Bush for CA's energy problem, its 25% energy corps, 25% CA/, 25% Clinton and 25% Bush. I guess Bush could have always told Davis what Clinton told Davis "pass the cost on to the consumers".
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Like I said, if GOP wants to put their money where your mouth is, that's fine by me. The more money they spend on pricey CA advertising, the less money left to spend elsewhere.
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They arent really shaking in their boots. Its not like Bush wont carry the "heartland" of america. Bush is more likely to win CA than the democrat canidate winning those "redneck" states as some on the boards have called them. The 2004 election will be won and lost in the 7 states the 2000 election was lost in. CA isnt one of those 7. You can win without California.
 
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: SuperTool
I don't think Bush will win CA. For one he is socially conservative, which won't play well in CA. There is also just a lot of bad blood after what his FERC did (or more exactly didn't do) in 2001. Bush is too associated with the energy companies who robbed CA. But if Bush wants to waste his campaign money trying, more power to him. I think CA could use some pandering. 😉
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IMHO he has a better shot of winning in CA in 2004, than he did in 2000. FERC did jack sh!t under Clinton, lets remember now that CAs energy crisis started before Bush became president. You cant blame Bush for CA's energy problem, its 25% energy corps, 25% CA/, 25% Clinton and 25% Bush. I guess Bush could have always told Davis what Clinton told Davis "pass the cost on to the consumers".
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Like I said, if GOP wants to put their money where your mouth is, that's fine by me. The more money they spend on pricey CA advertising, the less money left to spend elsewhere.
Click to expand...

Same goes for the other side. If the dems are forced to defend a state they should have, it will be finacially bad(if not worse) for them too.
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Good, I would have no problem if CA was like Florida, up for grabs. It would make us the subject of love and affection of all the politicians. There wouldn't be offshore drilling in CA, but not FL if CA was a battleground state.
 
Originally posted by: SuperTool
I don't think Bush will win CA. For one he is socially conservative, which won't play well in CA. There is also just a lot of bad blood after what his FERC did (or more exactly didn't do) in 2001. Bush is too associated with the energy companies who robbed CA. But if Bush wants to waste his campaign money trying, more power to him. I think CA could use some pandering. 😉
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yup, theres no way. arnold only got votes because bustamante was an indian whore and too liberal, and arnold is 50% shriver. since he's socially liberal, the difference between him and a moderate democrat is basically nill. i voted no on recall, and for arnold😛
 
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: SuperTool
I don't think Bush will win CA. For one he is socially conservative, which won't play well in CA. There is also just a lot of bad blood after what his FERC did (or more exactly didn't do) in 2001. Bush is too associated with the energy companies who robbed CA. But if Bush wants to waste his campaign money trying, more power to him. I think CA could use some pandering. 😉
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yup, theres no way. arnold only got votes because bustamante was an indian whore and too liberal, and arnold is 50% shriver. since he's socially liberal, the difference between him and a moderate democrat is basically nill. i voted no on recall, and for arnold😛
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That's what I did too.
 
Bush has no hope in CA. Any major candidate except Lieberman will easily carry the state. But I love CA so I wish Arnold the best. The Dems had better produce something reasonable in 2006 if Arnold is even halfway decent as governor. Then again if Arnold does a decent job he deserves a 2nd term.
 
I think the problem is that the Democrats were doing in Sacramento what the Republicans are doing in Washington. When the executive can't say no to the legislature, and vice versa, spending and deficits get out of control.
 
I don't know why democrats are so worked up about this, I mean I don't support the recall or ousting of Gray Davis.... But it was the voice of Californians that spoke tonight and they OBVIOUSLY don't want Davis.

Big whoop. Now CA has got a liberal Republican instead of a Conservative Democrat as governor.
 
Originally posted by: Corn One thing for sure is that the Democratic party is in chaos. What's their message anyway? "Republicans are stupid?" Yeah, that's going over well for 'em........keep it up Democrats, I surely do appreciate your message!!!!! 😀
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concur 🙂 Slick Willy at least offered a plan for 'change', though we didn't expect his kind of 'change'. He offered some substantive ideas and invigorated his base, as well as many voters closer to center. These so-called "new Democrats," however, are falling into the same old traps that have let (R)'s control the White House year after year after year...the wealthiest 1% and healthcare scares no longer resonate with voters, just ask Al Gore. Oh, and add the proverbial "lock-box" rhetoric to the list. Moreover, the attacks on our current President will only help him maintain power as Americans see that the DNC has nothing to offer America except a lot of smoke and mirrors and little substance. We won?t inhale.

I find it funny that Republicans control every branch of government, yet they are out of the "mainstream." Republicans are stupid and liars...and running chit.

 
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: Corn One thing for sure is that the Democratic party is in chaos. What's their message anyway? "Republicans are stupid?" Yeah, that's going over well for 'em........keep it up Democrats, I surely do appreciate your message!!!!! 😀
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concur 🙂 Slick Willy at least offered a plan for 'change', though we didn't expect his kind of 'change'. He offered some substantive ideas and invigorated his base, as well as many voters closer to center. These so-called "new Democrats," however, are falling into the same old traps that have let (R)'s control the White House year after year after year...the wealthiest 1% and healthcare scares no longer resonate with voters, just ask Al Gore. Oh, and add the proverbial "lock-box" rhetoric to the list. Moreover, the attacks on our current President will only help him maintain power as Americans see that the DNC has nothing to offer America except a lot of smoke and mirrors and little substance. We won?t inhale.

I find it funny that Republicans control every branch of government, yet they are out of the "mainstream." Republicans are stupid and liars...and running chit.
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If Ahhnold ran as an Independant he probably would have got a higher percentage of the vote. This really wasn't a Victory for the Republicans, it was a defeat for the Politcal Machines in both Parties.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
If Ahhnold ran as an Independant he probably would have got a higher percentage of the vote. This really wasn't a Victory for the Republicans, it was a defeat for the Politcal Machines in both Parties.
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/me reads title of thread
/me reads RD's post

Yup 😉 It's in full swing. I'll have to run home at lunch to check the fax machine😀😛

CkG
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn



If Ahhnold ran as an Independant he probably would have got a higher percentage of the vote. This really wasn't a Victory for the Republicans, it was a defeat for the Politcal Machines in both Parties.
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The spin stops here, Red. Politics, for the most part, is a zero-sum game. You can claim that the (R) party was not victorious, but you are only fooling yourself.
 
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: Red Dawn



If Ahhnold ran as an Independant he probably would have got a higher percentage of the vote. This really wasn't a Victory for the Republicans, it was a defeat for the Politcal Machines in both Parties.
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The spin stops here, Red. Politics, for the most part, is a zero-sum game. You can claim that the (R) party was not victorious, but you are only fooling yourself.
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Ca replaced one Social Liberal with another. He is Republican only in name. For it to truly be a Republican Victory it would have had to be a Republican that toed their Conservative line and Arnie isn't that, after all what is a Rockefeller Republcan but a Liberal Republican. The CA Republican Party had a chance to elect one of their own back in the Gubernatorial Elelction when Riordon was running for that Parties Nomination but they instead chose a Ultra Conservative Loser in Bill Simon, about the only Republican that CA Moderate Democrats would prefer Davis over. Keep in mind that before Davis CA voters had elected two Republican Moderate Governors in Dukmajean (SP) and Wilson so even though the Democrats hold a significant edge in Party Membership over the Republicans in CA, Californians don't always vote for their party at least when it comes to CA Democrats.
 
Wow, damage control in here, too...now Red thinks the DNC won, as we replaced their guy with one just like him...good job, Democrats...keep up the good work!
 
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