California Crew: Please vote on June 8th, and please vote no on 16.

[her209]

PG&E drops another $9m into the campaign for Prop 16, wants to raise rates 30% for its customers
http://www.beyondchron.org/articles...p_16_Asks_for_a_4_BILLION_Rate_Hike_8157.html

You can't make this shit up.

 

[Infohawk]

Infrastructure is something government can be decent at.

 

[Amused]

Strawman. How does Minority Rule become preferable than Majority Rule? The idea of Tyranny of the Majority is not the same as Majority Rule, hell, requiring an even bigger Majority doesn't even prevent Tyranny of the Majority. What addresses those issues are Constitutions and Declarations of Citizens Rights.

Hardly a strawman. It should be HARD to pass a law by popular vote, which is why it requires a 2/3 vote to change the Constitution and 3/4 of the states to ratify it.

And speaking of citizen's rights, when it comes to the government taking over an entire industry, I would call that a violation of their rights.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Hardly a strawman. It should be HARD to pass a law by popular vote, which is why it requires a 2/3 vote to change the Constitution and 3/4 of the states to ratify it.

And speaking of citizen's rights, when it comes to the government taking over an entire industry, I would call that a violation of their rights.

Hyperbole Alert!

Hyperbole Alert!

Hyperbole Alert!









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[sandorski]

Hardly a strawman. It should be HARD to pass a law by popular vote, which is why it requires a 2/3 vote to change the Constitution and 3/4 of the states to ratify it.

And speaking of citizen's rights, when it comes to the government taking over an entire industry, I would call that a violation of their rights.

Confuse Laws with Constitution much?

 

[nick1985]

Confuse Laws with Constitution much?

The Constitution is law

 

[CrackRabbit]

The Constitution is law

You are correct, but it is also much more than just law. It serves as a framework for the rest of the laws.

My view is that laws should be fairly easy to create and rescind by a majority vote (either of the people or legislature).
Changes to the constitutional framework should be much more arduous, hence why the founding fathers felt that a 2/3rds majority should be required to make changes.
It is also why the California state constitution is so fubared, it can be changed with a simple majority vote.

With that said I will likely vote no on prop 16.

 

[heyheybooboo]

PG&E-Backed Ballot Initiative To Limit Public Power Failing

If so, score one for the 'people'.

It looks as if PG&E ultimately spent around $46 million spewing their propaganda --- as compared to around $100k for the opposition to Prop 16.

Yah gotta wonder how 48% of California could be so dumb





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[flavio]

Prop 16 lost!

Yay!

 

[IGBT]

the eco-KOOKS don't want you to have electricity.

 

[flavio]

the eco-KOOKS don't want you to have electricity.

Yeah, that's it. Now nobody has electricity.

 

[her209]

Prop 16 lost!

Yay!

Woooooooooooooooooooooooooo hooooooooooooooooooooooo!

FUCK YEAH!

 

[her209]

It looks as if PG&E ultimately spent around $46 million spewing their propaganda --- as compared to around $100k for the opposition to Prop 16.

Here's the $46 million question: Is PG&E going to try to raise existing customer rates to cover their expenditure on Prop 16?

 

[heyheybooboo]

Here's the $46 million question: Is PG&E going to try to raise existing customer rates to cover their expenditure on Prop 16?

Not sure how they do it on the Left Coast but in North Carolina the 'stockholders' would take the hit (there is a -somewhat- 'bright line' drawn here between utility operations which are covered by the electric rate.

Dookie Power got caught in the late 1990s with some fancy 'bookkeeping' that moved $100 million off their "allowed rate of return" ...




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[nonlnear]

Here's the $46 million question: Is PG&E going to try to raise existing customer rates to cover their expenditure on Prop 16?

Of course not. You need to dial your cynicism up a notch or two.

 

[theeedude]

Reeeejected
I voted "NO" on everything.

 

[BoomerD]

Here's the $46 million question: Is PG&E going to try to raise existing customer rates to cover their expenditure on Prop 16?

Of course they are...even though they're claiming that

PG&E said the money for Prop 16 did not come from their General Fund.

“(Prop 16) is funded entirely by Shareholders, that doesn’t result in any kind of rate increase, it does not impact the customers at all,” said PG&E spokesman David Eisenhauer.

http://www.ksbw.com/news/23858409/detail.html

They just happen to need an additional $4.2 billion over the next 3 years.