California Crew: How do you plan to vote in May.

[ICRS]

Their will be a special election in may for the budget. Do you plan to vote yes on extending out the tax increase for 5 years and adding a spending cap?

I will vote yes for sure.

 

[MotF Bane]

P&N.

 

[ICRS]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane
P&N.

How is the P&N, just asking people how they plan to vote during the special election.

 

[Newbian]

With how bad these things go it's better there so it stays locked up easier.

 

[ICRS]

From what I read this is the largest tax increase in state history so it might be hard to convince people to extend it out to 5 year instead of 2.

 

[Jumpem]

Why would someone vote yes for a tax increase?

 

[ICRS]

Originally posted by: Jumpem
Why would someone vote yes for a tax increase?

The increase will still happen, it will just be for two years instead of 5. People will vote because a no vote would mean the state will run out of money in 2 years.

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: ICRS
From what I read this is the largest tax increase in state history so it might be hard to convince people to extend it out to 5 year instead of 2.

What makes you think once they raise your taxes that they are EVER going down again....especially in California. They will create another crisis through spending to justify keeping the higher taxes. Don't you people ever learn?

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: Jumpem
Why would someone vote yes for a tax increase?

This.

 

[xeemzor]

The problem with California isn't the tax revenue, it's the spending. Stop subsidizing illegals and stupid welfare programs(not all welfare programs are stupid) and that will pretty much solve the problem.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: ICRS
From what I read this is the largest tax increase in state history so it might be hard to convince people to extend it out to 5 year instead of 2.

What makes you think once they raise your taxes that they are EVER going down again....especially in California. They will create another crisis through spending to justify keeping the higher taxes. Don't you people ever learn?

Agreed, which is why I am voting No.

 

[ICRS]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: ICRS
From what I read this is the largest tax increase in state history so it might be hard to convince people to extend it out to 5 year instead of 2.

What makes you think once they raise your taxes that they are EVER going down again....especially in California. They will create another crisis through spending to justify keeping the higher taxes. Don't you people ever learn?

Agreed, which is why I am voting No.

If you vote yes, they will have a spending cap, so no more excess spending.

 

[xeemzor]

Originally posted by: ICRS

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: ICRS
From what I read this is the largest tax increase in state history so it might be hard to convince people to extend it out to 5 year instead of 2.

What makes you think once they raise your taxes that they are EVER going down again....especially in California. They will create another crisis through spending to justify keeping the higher taxes. Don't you people ever learn?

Agreed, which is why I am voting No.

If you vote yes, they will have a spending cap, so no more excess spending.

A spending cap that can be legislated away.

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: ICRS

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: ICRS
From what I read this is the largest tax increase in state history so it might be hard to convince people to extend it out to 5 year instead of 2.

What makes you think once they raise your taxes that they are EVER going down again....especially in California. They will create another crisis through spending to justify keeping the higher taxes. Don't you people ever learn?

Agreed, which is why I am voting No.

If you vote yes, they will have a spending cap, so no more excess spending.

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[LtPage1]

Originally posted by: ICRS

Originally posted by: MotF Bane
P&N.

How is the P&N, just asking people how they plan to vote during the special election.

How is this even a question? The topic is explicitly politics.

But anyway. I haven't read the budget/proposal that carefully yet, so I'm not sure how I'm going to vote. I'll probably vote for it, since I generally feel that short-term relief on my taxes isn't worth long-term debt and fiscal collapse of the state government. But I do feel very strongly that it's fucking moronic that it takes a plurality to amend the state constitution, and yet a 2/3 majority to pass a yearly budget; and even then, lawmakers feel it's necessary to submit the plan to the people, when the problem is largely caused by idiots voting for expensive initiatives and against the tax increases that would be necessary to pay for them.

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: ICRS
From what I read this is the largest tax increase in state history so it might be hard to convince people to extend it out to 5 year instead of 2.

What makes you think once they raise your taxes that they are EVER going down again....especially in California. They will create another crisis through spending to justify keeping the higher taxes. Don't you people ever learn?

Our taxes are waaaaay too low right now. Does a $40 billion deficit mean anything to you? Or would you rather do without things like our already pathetically underfunded schools? If we could put substantive and intelligent prison reform on the table, this problem might start to be alleviated. But we're screwed when such mild no-brainers like treatment programs and eliminating 3-strikes for nonviolent drug offenders can't even get passed.

It drives me crazy that Schwarzenegger was elected primarily on the basis of his intentions to balance the budget, and that we recalled Davis (whose "tough on crime" positions and support of the prison guards' union were my biggest problems with him), and yet we can't stop voting for more services, and against additional tax increases.

Look at the numbers. State-funded welfare programs and the so-called drain on public funds caused by "illegals" account for practically nothing of the budget.

...sorry about the venting. This issue just seems so stupid to me. Point to $40 billion worth of spending you don't want, drive on any of the state's roads and highways, and look me in the eye when you say that our schools have enough money; then I'll let you talk about how awful tax increases are.

There seems to be some weird idea in here that the deficit was the fault of lawmakers. While they're not exactly paragons of frugality, CA's spending problem is the direct result of popular initiatives. It wasn't lawmakers who passed 3-strikes laws, Prop 13, and a ten fucking billion dollar high speed rail initiative. A spending cap won't do anything to eliminate the fact that their hands are tied more than half the time by stupid and contradictory policy ideas that they're required, by initiative, to enact.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: ICRS

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: ICRS
From what I read this is the largest tax increase in state history so it might be hard to convince people to extend it out to 5 year instead of 2.

What makes you think once they raise your taxes that they are EVER going down again....especially in California. They will create another crisis through spending to justify keeping the higher taxes. Don't you people ever learn?

Agreed, which is why I am voting No.

If you vote yes, they will have a spending cap, so no more excess spending.

:laugh:

 

[ICRS]

Originally posted by: LtPage1

Originally posted by: ICRS

Originally posted by: MotF Bane
P&N.

How is the P&N, just asking people how they plan to vote during the special election.

How is this even a question? The topic is explicitly politics.

But anyway. I haven't read the budget/proposal that carefully yet, so I'm not sure how I'm going to vote. I'll probably vote for it, since I generally feel that short-term relief on my taxes isn't worth long-term debt and fiscal collapse of the state government. But I do feel very strongly that it's fucking moronic that it takes a plurality to amend the state constitution, and yet a 2/3 majority to pass a yearly budget; and even then, lawmakers feel it's necessary to submit the plan to the people, when the problem is largely caused by idiots voting for expensive initiatives and against the tax increases that would be necessary to pay for them.

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: ICRS
From what I read this is the largest tax increase in state history so it might be hard to convince people to extend it out to 5 year instead of 2.

What makes you think once they raise your taxes that they are EVER going down again....especially in California. They will create another crisis through spending to justify keeping the higher taxes. Don't you people ever learn?

Our taxes are waaaaay too low right now. Does a $40 billion deficit mean anything to you? Or would you rather do without things like our already pathetically underfunded schools? If we could put substantive and intelligent prison reform on the table, this problem might start to be alleviated. But we're screwed when such mild no-brainers like treatment programs and eliminating 3-strikes for nonviolent drug offenders can't even get passed.

It drives me crazy that Schwarzenegger was elected primarily on the basis of his intentions to balance the budget, and that we recalled Davis (whose "tough on crime" positions and support of the prison guards' union were my biggest problems with him), and yet we can't stop voting for more services, and against additional tax increases.

Look at the numbers. State-funded welfare programs and the so-called drain on public funds caused by "illegals" account for practically nothing of the budget.

...sorry about the venting. This issue just seems so stupid to me. Point to $40 billion worth of spending you don't want, drive on any of the state's roads and highways, and look me in the eye when you say that our schools have enough money; then I'll let you talk about how awful tax increases are.

There seems to be some weird idea in here that the deficit was the fault of lawmakers. While they're not exactly paragons of frugality, CA's spending problem is the direct result of popular initiatives. It wasn't lawmakers who passed 3-strikes laws, Prop 13, and a ten fucking billion dollar high speed rail initiative. A spending cap won't do anything to eliminate the fact that their hands are tied more than half the time by stupid and contradictory policy ideas that they're required, by initiative, to enact.

The prop to reform 3 strikes failed because it would be eliminated VIOLENT crimes from being strikes too. Killing someone by burning a building down with them in it should be a strike.

 

[Baked]

Once you increase something, it'll be permanent. There is not such thing as temporary increase. I'm gonna vote know. Why should I pay for the mistake those cock suckers at Sacramento made? They can't balance the budget because only 20% of the budget is negotiable, and in that 20%, the educational fund happens to be in it. gg you fucking greedy fucks. I wish I can vote all those motherfuckers outta office.

 

[looker001]

I will vote yes, mainly because state needs the money to balance the books. Nothing is left to cut unless you want to cut education, let even more prisoners out etc.

 

[Newbian]

Originally posted by: Baked
Once you increase something, it'll be permanent. There is not such thing as temporary increase. I'm gonna vote know. Why should I pay for the mistake those cock suckers at Sacramento made? They can't balance the budget because only 20% of the budget is negotiable, and in that 20%, the educational fund happens to be in it. gg you fucking greedy fucks. I wish I can vote all those motherfuckers outta office.

So tell us how you really feel about this. 😀

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: looker001
I will vote yes, mainly because state needs the money to balance the books. Nothing is left to cut unless you want to cut education, let even more prisoners out etc.

That's because the politicians chose to arrange the budget as such.

 

[looker001]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: looker001
I will vote yes, mainly because state needs the money to balance the books. Nothing is left to cut unless you want to cut education, let even more prisoners out etc.

That's because the politicians chose to arrange the budget as such.

Our property taxes are low, no other options

 

[Slew Foot]

Originally posted by: LtPage1


Our taxes are waaaaay too low right now. .

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8% sales tax, 9-10% income tax, and 1-2% property tax on ridiculously overpriced real estate is "undertaxed"?

 

[Jeff7]

A spending cap. Yeah, that'll hold.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: ICRS
Their will be a special election in may for the budget.

Engrish?