California aids illegal workers with DL for illegals

[etrigan420]

Good. States rights.

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[EagleKeeper]

http://thelawdictionary.org/article...ocial-security-numbers-when-providing-quotes/


Assuming that insurance companies are even willing to insure illegal aliens.

State of CA makes the rules for the insurers.
SS #s can be waived if you provide a CA license

So the idea is that people who have been driving illegally and without insurance for years are suddenly going to volunteer to pay hundreds and hundreds of dollars per year in auto insurance?

If the requirement for plates is a policy that is prepaid, then it will work. Once the initial policy lapses, then it is now different than any other driver.

And how do we know that they WILL get insurance?

Around here, we have huge problem with our own citizens (estimate around 25% or higher) driving around without insurance, I am not sure the ILLEGALS will suddendly become upstanding honest folks fully compliance with insurance law and regulation when they receive new DL.

See above. Can not force to be continual, however, prepayment of 6 months insurance for plates

Enforcement of expired insurance including confiscation of vehicle

Especially since according to my prior link they will pay 25-50% higher rates since they won't be providing a SSN.

See above. CA makes rules on insurance.

*Cheers* They have already proven they don't care about the law. If anybody thinks for a second they will get insurance, keep on dreaming. Just easier to jump the fence back to Mexico if something bad happens. I'm guessing all these new DL's will have the name "Juan Gonzalez" too.

If they can not get a vehicle without initial insurance, they will find the money.


Also, the State can ask for proof of insurance of any illegal getting into vehicle to drive outside of DMV.

 

[Zaap]

^ What does that mean, if they can't get a car without insurance? There's no requirement to have insurance before you buy a car.

Also, I just about split a gut at anyone suggesting illegal aliens will ever have their car impounded for not having insurance! People just don't know the depths of insanity this state has sunken to in coddling illegal aliens.

Hell- an illegal in Los Angeles won't get their car impounded for not having a license, let alone insurance:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lan...-shows-compassion-for-illegal-immigrants.html

Now, if you're a citizen, forget it- you'll get the book thrown at you for even a minor violation, let alone driving without required documents. More and more, US citizen= 2nd class citizen in California. There's no lobby for you, and no one gives a shit about you as a citizen, other than as a cash-cow for now, and later as an impoverished serf once the plan of third-worldizing all of CA is fully implemented.

This is nothing more than California's statists throwing up another neon sign to the third world: "COME ON IN! Laws? WHAT laws? Those silly things are only for citizens!" It's a nod to illegal alien groups and a small bone thrown to the insurance industry as in a few instances, some illegals will probably buy insurance. Most however, will not, because there hasn't been any enforcement for them, and there's not going to be.

Most cops know when they pull over someone who's obviously illegal and can't produce any
kind of documents, if they actually try and enforce the law, it's the cop who will end up in trouble and defending themselves against charges of being a racist nazi, so it's best just to look the other way. The roads being safter is a freakin' joke- the roads are going to get more dangerous than ever because the whole point is just to lure even more illegals in, driving even more cars, with even less enforcement of all of them.

The governor of the state openly/gleefully admits that US jobs are being done by illegals (and of course the dummies all believe that's only farm workers, like every illegal heads straight for the fields) bends over backwards and greases the slope for it, and STILL, you'll see the same morons whining about how they can't find a decent paying job! Once more- watching people slit their own throats and then expect sympathy for it.

 

[xBiffx]

So they start paying for car insurance, so what.

 

[rudder]

Good. States rights. If DHS and the Feds can't be bothered to keep them out then why not? The Administration has already basically said it's not a priority to close the border. I'd rather them at least sit for the test than drive illegally anyway, even if it is just a formality.

Not good. Tennessee did this for a while. Illegals flooded the state from all over the U.S. to come get a drivers license. Other states got pissed because these now "documented" illegals were causing insurance headaches in other states.

 

[EagleKeeper]

^ What does that mean, if they can't get a car without insurance? There's no requirement to have insurance before you buy a car.

Also, I just about split a gut at anyone suggesting illegal aliens will ever have their car impounded for not having insurance! People just don't know the depths of insanity this state has sunken to in coddling illegal aliens.

Hell- an illegal in Los Angeles won't get their car impounded for not having a license, let alone insurance:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lan...-shows-compassion-for-illegal-immigrants.html

Now, if you're a citizen, forget it- you'll get the book thrown at you for even a minor violation, let alone driving without required documents. More and more, US citizen= 2nd class citizen in California. There's no lobby for you, and no one gives a shit about you as a citizen, other than as a cash-cow for now, and later as an impoverished serf once the plan of third-worldizing all of CA is fully implemented.

This is nothing more than California's statists throwing up another neon sign to the third world: "COME ON IN! Laws? WHAT laws? Those silly things are only for citizens!" It's a nod to illegal alien groups and a small bone thrown to the insurance industry as in a few instances, some illegals will probably buy insurance. Most however, will not, because there hasn't been any enforcement for them, and there's not going to be.

Most cops know when they pull over someone who's obviously illegal and can't produce any
kind of documents, if they actually try and enforce the law, it's the cop who will end up in trouble and defending themselves against charges of being a racist nazi, so it's best just to look the other way. The roads being safter is a freakin' joke- the roads are going to get more dangerous than ever because the whole point is just to lure even more illegals in, driving even more cars, with even less enforcement of all of them.

The governor of the state openly/gleefully admits that US jobs are being done by illegals (and of course the dummies all believe that's only farm workers, like every illegal heads straight for the fields) bends over backwards and greases the slope for it, and STILL, you'll see the same morons whining about how they can't find a decent paying job! Once more- watching people slit their own throats and then expect sympathy for it.

My comments are what CA can do to enforce and get some of the drivers to have insurance.

If the regulatory commissions are not willing to work together to help soften the blow; then the State gets what it deserves.

I know when I bought my one and only vehicle in the State of CA, I had proof of insurance from Nevada before the dealer would allow me to take the car with CA plates.

Every other vehicle that I have purchased in different states requires proof of insurance before you can take possession. (New or used vehicles).

Private parties transactions are different; but you still have to show proof to get the plates.

 

[EagleKeeper]

So they start paying for car insurance, so what.

You now have some insurance coverage for other drivers; legal or not.

It may actually get the rates to come down a little.
Depends on enforcement.

 

[xBiffx]

You now have some insurance coverage for other drivers; legal or not.

If may actually get the rates to come down a little.
Depends on enforcement.

May...

Depends....

So would removing them from the country altogether but I guess we've got to work with what we've got.

 

[Zaap]

I know when I bought my one and only vehicle in the State of CA, I had proof of insurance from Nevada before the dealer would allow me to take the car with CA plates.

Every other vehicle that I have purchased in different states requires proof of insurance before you can take possession. (New or used vehicles).

Private parties transactions are different; but you still have to show proof to get the plates.

Clearly, any requirement of insurance to buy a car is not currently being enforced for illegal aliens in CA... or illegal aliens in CA wouldn't be able to buy and drive cars and we wouldn't be talking about them just now being able to buy insurance... in order to drive cars they already have without having insurance.

Once again, I don't think people are taking into account- the whole point is, whatever rules that apply to you, don't apply to them. There are plenty of dealers who sell cars to illegal aliens.

I mean, it's almost like we're talking about people who are: here illegally, working illegally and now... OMG, what.... driving illegally? Now that's stretching belief!

 

[EagleKeeper]

Can one sue the State of CA for non-enforcement of laws.

Pull just one license of a dealer and watch how many others all of a sudden have a come to Jesus revelation.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Perhaps you might not have looked at a political map of California lately but those agricultural areas are the most conservative areas of the state. If you have a problem with it blame them.
If there were no jobs for illegals, there would be no reason for them to be here.
So you have your choice, let the illegals stay and try to make it as tolerable for everyone else to deal with them or remove them all and lose millions of dollars in crops or double the cost the produce to your average person.
Any way you look at it's a losing proposition.

Except Democrats have the majority control of the political scene in CA in a air tight fashion. Attempting to blame this on the few GOP members of CA's senate and house is pretty disingenuous when its DEMOCRATS who are pushing this forward.

Just like its Democrats who have sent a bill to the Democrat governor to sign in order to allow illegals to practice law in the state.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/13/us-usa-immigrants-california-idUSBRE98C04420130913

In the end this isn't about "Safety" this is about legitimizing ILLEGALS in the state so that they can gain unfettered access to welfare benefits and eventual Federal benefits.

 

[Svnla]

See above. Can not force to be continual, however, prepayment of 6 months insurance for plates.

Enforcement of expired insurance including confiscation of vehicle

Sorry. I still don't buy it, see the bolded/underlined part in your post.

That's exactly how things are running down here. Scumbags (US citizens) get licenses/tags with month to month insurance then cancel/do not pay the next month and drive around bare without any insurance. Then rinse, dry, and repeat the next time they need to get new/renew DL/paperwork.

I don't see how people that break our immigration law to get here ILLEGALLY will suddenly be law abiding honest to goodness ILLEGALS that follow insurance law.

Good luck with the take their cars away if they don't have insurance. We would not dare to enforce our current immigration law, then how could we even dare to take anything away from them? Heck, their vehicles probably some $100 rust buckets would not worth much anyway and then they would go out and buy another cheap rustbucket.

There were some decent politicians that tried to do the right thing by tried to have law to take away cars from people that don't have insurance. The bleeding heart idiots shot the idea down.

We don't want to enforce current immigration law, this is what we reap.

 

[Spungo]

Serious question: is it against the law to speed or run stop signs? I'm trying to picture myself in the position of an illegal immigrant. The police pull me over, I have no insurance, no drivers license, the cop doesn't know my name or where I live because I legally don't exist. How is he supposed to write a ticket for speeding if he doesn't even know my name or where to find me?

I wonder if Canada has any people driving with no insurance. Up there, the fine for driving without insurance is like $5000 or something.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Sorry. I still don't buy it, see the bolded/underlined part in your post.

That's exactly how things are running down here. Scumbags (US citizens) get licenses/tags with month to month insurance then cancel/do not pay the next month and drive around bare without any insurance. Then rinse, dry, and repeat the next time they need to get new/renew DL/paperwork.

I don't see how people that break our immigration law to get here ILLEGALLY will suddenly be law abiding honest to goodness ILLEGALS that follow insurance law.

Good luck with the take their cars away if they don't have insurance. We would not dare to enforce our current immigration law, then how could we even dare to take anything away from them? Heck, their vehicles probably some $100 rust buckets would not worth much anyway and then they would go out and buy another cheap rustbucket.

There were some decent politicians that tried to do the right thing by tried to have law to take away cars from people that don't have insurance. The bleeding heart idiots shot the idea down.

We don't want to enforce current immigration law, this is what we reap.

I agree about the month to month issue with present US drivers.

All I am proposing is that those that are ILLEGALS have move stringent rules applied. 6 month pre-payment.
Also about the bleeding hearts that do not want laws to be enforced that might inconvenience someone.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Serious question: is it against the law to speed or run stop signs? I'm trying to picture myself in the position of an illegal immigrant. The police pull me over, I have no insurance, no drivers license, the cop doesn't know my name or where I live because I legally don't exist. How is he supposed to write a ticket for speeding if he doesn't even know my name or where to find me?

I wonder if Canada has any people driving with no insurance. Up there, the fine for driving without insurance is like $5000 or something.

Yes to the first question.

The ticket is expected to be paid (second question). Written based on information the license. No the LEO responsibility to ensure that it is correct.
Will it get paid - probably not; the address may just be yesterday's flop house.
So a warrant gets put out; until the person is picked up a second time; the warrant becomes worthless.

Fines are worthless without teeth to back them up.
ILLEGALS used a different dentist than legal people

 

[Zaap]

Serious question: is it against the law to speed or run stop signs? I'm trying to picture myself in the position of an illegal immigrant. The police pull me over, I have no insurance, no drivers license, the cop doesn't know my name or where I live because I legally don't exist. How is he supposed to write a ticket for speeding if he doesn't even know my name or where to find me?

Cops quickly learn better than to even bother.

All the time I see people in rustbuckets so shoddy they're just one big rolling violation. Some combination of: smoke pouring out the exhaust-never passed a smog, tail light(s) out, parts of the car held on with tape/rope/ near-flat tires, jammed full of too many people (or if a truck, people crammed in the back) babies and small kids riding in other than proper child seats, etc. etc. etc...

If a hispanic-looking person is driving, it's like having diplomatic immunity. Just roll right past cops who know it'll only be a hassle to pull them over, probably only leading to the cops having to defend their job. Then the same cops will pull over some citizen schmuck just trying to get to work, for something minor, because they know that's just a cash cow.

I see it all the time. Illegals aren't afraid of getting pulled over for anything.

What's even more amazing- idiot politicians say things like "Well, if we don't look the other way for illegals and let them get away with everything, they won't cooperate with us when we're investigating crimes." But what they don't understand is that most poor people (illegal or otherwise) don't cooperate with them because their cultures don't trust cops no matter what the cops do and thinks of them as more corrupt than the criminals are. So there's some irony that corrupt and dishonest cops and politicians think it takes more corruption and dishonesty to gain people's trust.