CAL

[JohanHammy]

Does anyone know if IIS, DHCP, DNS, etc. require CALs? I was wanting to start up an ISP, but I don't wanna buy hundreds of CALs.

 

[igiveup]

Ripped from this page here on Microsoft's site...

Server Services Requiring CALs
Client computers accessing the following server services in a Microsoft Windows 2000 Server-based network require Windows 2000 Server CALs:

File services. Accessing or managing files or disk storage.

Printing services. Printing to a printer managed by the product.

Remote Access Service. Accessing the server from a remote location through a communications link, including a virtual private network.

Terminal services. Using the terminal services feature of the server to enable client devices to use applications or data residing on the server


A bit above this is this paragraph that deals with your IIS question...(take note of the very last sentence)

Authenticated Internet access. Customers with Internet sites using Windows 2000 authentication will require CALs for authenticated users connecting to their sites. Such customers may comply with this licensing requirement by purchasing CALs in "Per seat" or "Per Server" mode. Or, they may opt to purchase the new Internet Connector license for unlimited Internet CALs as long as the devices are used by "Internet users" on a single server. Access to Internet sites by anonymous users does not require a CAL.

 

[Abzstrak]

an ISP running windows huh? good luck with that.

 

[JohanHammy]

I wanted to use Linux, but a lot of the recommended programs are on Windows, and not Linux. The people in the ISP discussion list I am in haven't had a problem with Windows. I am assuming it's just another of those Linux is better than Windows for no apparent reason deals.

 

[Abzstrak]

why buy CALs when you dont have to? if you want to use linux, use it. Use FreeBSD if you want, I would just trust a *nix derivative over windows in that environment, not to mention no CALs are needed and less system resources are needed increasing the longevity of your hardware.

 

[JohanHammy]

The software I have been told to use, and I have seen rave reviews are offered on Solaris and Windows. I'm not about to drop the money to go Sun. I am now think, actually, about a Linux\Windows combination. For the things I need Windows for, put it on a Windows server, but keep the rest on Linux.

 

[Abzstrak]

what software? what does an ISP need other than DHCP/DNS/email ?? maybe apache for web pages??

 

[Nothinman]

what software? what does an ISP need other than DHCP/DNS/email ??

Probably accounting software, maybe he's going to setup bandwidth or time quotas.

Most ISPs I've seen run unix, for the same reasons you never see an IRC server running on Windows.

 

[JohanHammy]

E-mail\anti-SPAM\anti-Virus from Vircom. I heard over and over that they have the best anti-SPAM. I saw some other Windows-only software, but I can't remember what it was.

 

[Nothinman]

I run my own mail server and sendmail blocks 95% of the SPAM sent for me just by not being an open relay and not accepting mail where the sending domain doesn't resolve. There are some things like SpamAssassin but I've never had to mess with them.

 

[Buddha Bart]

just out of curiosity, how much does a CAL cost?

Plus, how do smaller ISP's handle the modems? Do you jam a bunch of pci cards in a big tower machine and use win2k RAS? (i'd imagine not, that seems ghetto as I think of it).

bart

 

[JohanHammy]

My guess would be an Access Server. They make boxes that are just nothing bu modems, but I am gonna be a wireless ISP. No modems here.

 

[Buddha Bart]

but I am gonna be a wireless ISP. No modems here.

ah, nevermind then

802.11 or some of those fancy other ones?

 

[JohanHammy]

Combination of 802.11b (upgrading to 802.11g) and a proprietary UN-II solution.

 

[Poontos]

Originally posted by: JohanHammy
Does anyone know if IIS, DHCP, DNS, etc. require CALs? I was wanting to start up an ISP, but I don't wanna buy hundreds of CALs.

This will be useful if/when you decide to host a few sites (even your own):

Does Number of Client Access Licenses Correlate with Number of Web Sites You Can Host?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

what software? what does an ISP need other than DHCP/DNS/email ??

Probably accounting software, maybe he's going to setup bandwidth or time quotas.

Most ISPs I've seen run unix, for the same reasons you never see an IRC server running on Windows.

Ive seen Windows based IRC servers. One of the big news sites was using one a few years ago during an interview type chat session with some politician or something. Someone happened to reboot it or something and impersonate the guest

And Sun hardware rocks.

 

[Nothinman]

And Sun hardware rocks.

Depends. I've heard pretty bad things about the low-end blade workstations. They seem cool at first because they use regular SDRAM, PCI slots and IDE disks so it's cheap to upgrade after you buy it, but I've heard that performance compared to the previous line of Ultra workstations that used SCSI and SBus is pretty bad.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

And Sun hardware rocks.

Depends. I've heard pretty bad things about the low-end blade workstations. They seem cool at first because they use regular SDRAM, PCI slots and IDE disks so it's cheap to upgrade after you buy it, but I've heard that performance compared to the previous line of Ultra workstations that used SCSI and SBus is pretty bad.

Ive heard good things about them along the same lines. Its all in how you look at it, I think.