Cain Velasquez vs Fedor Emelianenko...who'd win?

[nublikescake]

Oh what I would give to see this fight...if it ever happened! After the devastating beating that Cain dished out to Lesnar, it would be amazing to see Cain go against the other top fighters like Mir, Carwin, and especially Fedor. I see a lot of similarities between Cain and Fedor. Both are very calm, hold their ground, very decisive and very focused. They're both so unrelenting when they go after their opponents. To me, such a match-up would be, to borrow the cliche, an unstoppable force meeting and immovable object.

Or is it wrong to expect a lot from Cain who's still a newcomer compared to Fedor? But then again, Cain's solid technical game combined with his insane cardio is something of a win-win combination.

What are the chances of a Fedor vs Cain match-up anyway?

 

[nick1985]

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[QueBert]

According to many of Sherdog's forums even after Werdum submitted him, Fedor's still unbeatable. So Cain has little chance of beating a dude who can't be beat, even though he's been beat.

MMA fans are idiots who are always stuck on the whole "experience" thing. Obviously it helps, but some dudes are just better regardless of how short of a time they've been doing something. Also, for every current great there was a point where they were the underdog and proved the world wrong by an upset win over a heavily favored, more experienced fighter. Cain's faster, younger, has awesome wrestling and is more hungry right now. He's also very critical of his own performances. If you watched the press conference after 121 the 1st thing he spoke on was how unhappy he was with the mistakes he felt he made in the fight. Never seen a fighter win like that and still talk about his performance like it wasn't good. It Would be hard to call this fight, but I'd give the edge to Cain just because he's so good and any tiny hole he finds in his game he busts his ass to correct it.

We'll never see Fedor Vs Cain, Dana offered Fedor the largest contract in UFC history and Fedor's people told him to go fuck himself. The UFC doesn't need Fedor, he'd be a great addition but they will be fine without him. Fedor's management is a bunch of jerk offs, and sadly he won't stand up to them. Even losing a few of his later fights, Igor Vovchanchyn went out fighting the best, like the warrior he was. This is why he's the GOAT ihmo. Fedor will go out fighting some half ass freak show in Japan. What a shitty way to do it

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Put a fork in Fedor, he is done. He looked terrible against the Sam's club Tire guy that Ubereem rag dolled. Then was tapped in just over 90 seconds his last outing. He will beat Werdum though; UFC washout that is now over rated just because he had a Buster Douglas moment.

Hell, I think Bigfoot is a bad match up for Fedor right now. Fedor beat AA and the tire guy based on swinging for the bleachers. BF could just stay tight, use the jab, and out point Fedor for a UD.

 

[shopbruin]

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[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

take away submissions and what do you got

 

[nublikescake]

According to many of Sherdog's forums even after Werdum submitted him, Fedor's still unbeatable. So Cain has little chance of beating a dude who can't be beat, even though he's been beat.

Well, if you look at his record, Fedor really WAS unbeatable until the loss to Werdum and that too was more of a one-off thing. I say this not as a fan of Fedor but considering how brilliant and clever of a fighter he is, I firmly believe that he'd win any re-match with Werdum. He's simply beaten much bigger/better/more skilled fighters than anyone in MMA, period.

MMA fans are idiots who are always stuck on the whole "experience" thing. Obviously it helps, but some dudes are just better regardless of how short of a time they've been doing something. Also, for every current great there was a point where they were the underdog and proved the world wrong by an upset win over a heavily favored, more experienced fighter. Cain's faster, younger, has awesome wrestling and is more hungry right now. He's also very critical of his own performances. If you watched the press conference after 121 the 1st thing he spoke on was how unhappy he was with the mistakes he felt he made in the fight. Never seen a fighter win like that and still talk about his performance like it wasn't good. It Would be hard to call this fight, but I'd give the edge to Cain just because he's so good and any tiny hole he finds in his game he busts his ass to correct it.

Agree with you on that. Cain's got a very good head on his shoulders for his age. Definitely the opposite of Lesnar when it comes to trash talking.

We'll never see Fedor Vs Cain, Dana offered Fedor the largest contract in UFC history and Fedor's people told him to go fuck himself. The UFC doesn't need Fedor, he'd be a great addition but they will be fine without him. Fedor's management is a bunch of jerk offs, and sadly he won't stand up to them. Even losing a few of his later fights, Igor Vovchanchyn went out fighting the best, like the warrior he was. This is why he's the GOAT ihmo. Fedor will go out fighting some half ass freak show in Japan. What a shitty way to do it

That would indeed be a sad way to go for the champ.

 

[nublikescake]

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[nublikescake]

take away submissions and what do you got

Well, they're both good strikers. I'd say Fedor's faster and deadlier with his punches in the stand-up game.

 

[TurtleCrusher]

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[Riceninja]

i dont really care who wins, i just want to see fedor fight some real top level dudes (not has beens) while hes still in his prime

 

[Woosta]

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At this point in their careers, it's a more of a toss-up. Fedor is past his prime but is still so great that he's a top 3 HW. People can fuck off with the UFC HW title nonsense, Cain hasn't faced the level of competition Fedor has and doesn't have the experience.

Cain has the edge in age, and learning ability simply because he can study from Fedor. Cain's favorite HW is Fedor. Cain is mentally strong like Fedor. Cain has studied the way Fedor fights and has adopted somewhat of the same mindset in the cage.

If we were talking about anyone else, Cain would be the favorite but Fedor I would say still edges him out, simply because he's Fedor and whether you put him up against 100 bulls, 90000 ninjas, 900,000 abrahms tanks, nuclear bombs, USA/Japan/China, god, the universe he's STILL be the favorite. No one is Fedor. There is only *ONE* Fedor.

Cain's most advantageous area is wrestling, but Fedor has beaten every single wrestler he has faced. Fedor has beaten 7-8 former UFC HW champions. It's bullshit that people are going to mock Arlovski and Tim Sylvia but they *WERE* champions. Cain will be a former champion one day, Brock is a former champion. You cannot change the fact that they were UFC HW champions so fuck off with the can argument.

Fedor has the advantage in striking and speed, he's still the fastest HW in the world. His speed is deadly, insanely fast. Even faster in real life I heard. Fedor has the mental edge. Fedor has been semi-rocked by Fujita but Cain got fully rocked by Kongo and was able to rely on his wrestling.. they both have study chins.

Fedor has several wins by submission and his only legit loss is by a triangle, so he has probably drilled and practiced triangle submission thousands of times after that fight - his submission defense and offense are top notch.

Fedor has the edge in submissions and striking, Cain has the edge in wrestling but his striking is also good and he supposedly has good BJJ ( brown belt? ) so Fedor by a few hairs. Age can really be a factor though. If this was a prime Fedor we're talking about, Fedor would be a huge, huge favorite but Fedor would win 70/100 times IMO.

 

[Woosta]

i dont really care who wins, i just want to see fedor fight some real top level dudes (not has beens) while hes still in his prime

Cain's victims:

Brock Lesnar ( has been, can )
Big Nog ( 2nd GOAT HW, has been at this stage though )
Ben Rothwell - can
Cheick Kongo - can
Denis StojWHO?
Jake WHO?
Brad WHO?
Jeremiah WHO?
Jesse WHO?

Brett Rogers, Werdum, Tim Sylvia and Andre Arlovski are all top 10 HWs. Fedor has faced 4 top 10 HWs in the last 2-3 years. Cain has only faced 2.

Cain is not fighting top competition. The UFC HW champions are supposed to fight 3 times every year against the BEST competition, but they are NOT. Dana White is a fucking liar, do not believe him.

 

[nick1985]

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[Woosta]

According to many of Sherdog's forums even after Werdum submitted him, Fedor's still unbeatable. So Cain has little chance of beating a dude who can't be beat, even though he's been beat.

Blind ignorance - you KNOW Fedor wins that fight 95/100 times. Fedor's record is unheard of in MMA. Cain Velasquez will have about 5-10 losses at that stage in his career and will deteriorate. You do not understand that Fedor is a 1 in 10000 years type of guy, there won't be another Fedor for a long, long fucking time.

No one will surpass Igor and Fedor's streaks. No one will be 32-2 with the top competition Fedor faced in his career.

Cain has NOT faced as many highly skilled opponents - he has only faced Zombie Nog and Brock. Brock is fucking nothing. Brock is just the new Tim Sylvia if you choose to diss and shit and piss on Arlovski and Tim Sylvia.

 

[Woosta]

We'll never see Fedor Vs Cain, Dana offered Fedor the largest contract in UFC history and Fedor's people told him to go fuck himself. The UFC doesn't need Fedor, he'd be a great addition but they will be fine without him. Fedor's management is a bunch of jerk offs, and sadly he won't stand up to them. Even losing a few of his later fights, Igor Vovchanchyn went out fighting the best, like the warrior he was. This is why he's the GOAT ihmo. Fedor will go out fighting some half ass freak show in Japan. What a shitty way to do it

Fedor's already proven himself. His record is twice that of the average MMA fighters career. He's the greatest fucking fighter on planet earth and in the history of MMA. He has done his time. He has beat the best competition. He has been undefeated for 10 years. He does not NEED to do ANYTHING.

What are you telling me is equivalent to dissing Michael Jordan because he's not active and doesn't want to play for the NBA in this day and age. Michael Jordan fears Kobe and Lebron, right? Michael Jordan has never faced top competition. Patrick Ewing, Hakeem, prime Shaq, young Kobe, prime Magic, prime Larry Bird, all of those guys were fucking cans, right?

By the way, the UFC HWs have not faced the top competition. And speaking of freak shows, did you not see the abomination that is Randy Couture vs James Toney? Talk about a freak show....

 

[Woosta]

You sell your soul to be in the UFC. They fucking own you and your brand. Randy Couture tried to fight Fedor but Dana prevented that from happening. Dana White wouldn't let Brock vs Fedor happen. Dana White won't let Fedor vs Cain happen.

 

[Woosta]

. Even losing a few of his later fights, Igor Vovchanchyn went out fighting the best, like the warrior he was. This is why he's the GOAT ihmo.

Not shitting on Igor, he's the 3rd GOAT behind Big Nog and Fedor but Nakamura, Kondo and Takahashi are far from top competition. Igor's last opponents were not ranked except maybe for Reem at LHW. Actually his last 6/7 opponents were not ranked:

Loss 49-10-1 (1) Kazuhiro Nakamura Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE Final Conflict 2005 August 28, 2005 2 5:00 Saitama, Japan
Loss 49-9-1 (1) Alistair Overeem Submission (Guillotine Choke) PRIDE Critical Countdown 2005 June 26, 2005 1 1:20 Saitama, Japan PRIDE 2005 Middleweight Grand Prix Quarterfinal
Win 49-8-1 (1) Yuki Kondo Decision (Unanimous) Pride Total Elimination 2005 April 23, 2005 3 5:00 Osaka, Japan PRIDE 2005 Middleweight Grand Prix Opening Round
Win 48-8-1 (1) Yoshiki Takahashi KO (Punch) PRIDE 29 - Fists Of Fire February 20, 2005 1 1:10 Saitama, Japan Moves down to middleweight
Win 47-8-1 (1) Sergey Terezimov Submission (Heel Hook) WOP - Water of Peresvit December 4, 2004 N/A Ukraine
Win 46-8-1 (1) Katsuhisa Fujii KO (Strikes) Pride Bushido 5 October 14, 2004 1 4:02 Osaka, Japan
Win 45-8-1 (1) Dan Bobish TKO (Strikes) PRIDE 27 - Inferno February 1, 2004 2 1:45 Osaka, Japan

So .. not sure WTF you're talking about but you're clearly in the wrong according to that.

 

[Kirby]

UFC was much better in the old days where the fighters brutally beat the shit out of each.

Blood > technique

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Neither of them wins, the fight will never happen.

 

[TurtleCrusher]

Neither of them wins, the fight will never happen.

Winner!

 

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[Spineshank]

Id say Cain..he is one of the best MMA fighters if not the best right now. Fedor 5 years ago though..who knows.

 

[Woosta]

Id say Cain..he is one of the best MMA fighters if not the best right now. Fedor 5 years ago though..who knows.

Cain has not faced a top striker on the level of a prime Cro Cop, or even a Schilt ( Kongo isn't really elite - Mir KO'd him )
Cain has not faced a wrestler who can take hits.
Cain has not faced any BJJ experts ( Zombie Nog is not top level. If Cain had faced PRIME Nog that would count. )

Cain is vastly unproven, but he has a solid foundation. Cain needs to prove himself and face well-rounded guys.

If Cain beats JDS decisively, you can have Cain as the favorite.

 

[JackBurton]

Woosta is spot on. I'd like to see Overeem fight Cain though. That would be AWESOME! As in, Cain would get an AWESOME beating. I wonder if he'd have the balls to stand up with Overeem though. Probably not.