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Caffine, and how I can get it.

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cheesehead

Lifer
Recently, I've been looking at buying pure caffiene for a few projects I have. Because of the low lethal does of 10g, I only need about 100g total for my "Experiments". However, caffiene comes in assorted varieties such as caffiene anhydrous, etc. etc. etc. Which of these would I want if I wanted to give someone the jitters, and not to send them to the ER?
Also, I have seen a lack of places that sell caffiene in the amounts I require. It is usually sold in 10-Kg tubs, or in packets of about 2g. Does anyone know where I can buy caffiene in the requisite amounts?
Lastly, I'm open for suggestions as to uses of caffiene. I was thinking along the lines of selling caffinated water (there's a rule against anything else in classrooms).
-Cheesehead.

EDIT:
I guess that putting a gram of the stuff in the guys' coffee is a bad idea. However, I'm not so sure about No-Doz, either; that stuff is supposedly far more dangerous from what I've heard. Caffinated water (with only about 300mg per bottle, not much above Mountian Dew) might work, though. I have no desire to kill anyone, merely keep them up 'till 3 AM.

 
Whatever your 'experiments' are, they sound like they're probably illegal... Anhydrous caffeine is just dried caffeine, so it's probably more expensive per weight than the standard stuff. If you're trying to shake someone up, just buy some No-Doz and use as directed. Buying chemicals like this to experiment on people is pretty dangerous stuff for a variety of reasons.
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Whatever your 'experiments' are, they sound like they're probably illegal... Anhydrous caffeine is just dried caffeine, so it's probably more expensive per weight than the standard stuff. If you're trying to shake someone up, just buy some No-Doz and use as directed. Buying chemicals like this to experiment on people is pretty dangerous stuff for a variety of reasons.
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Agreed.

Anhydrous means that the substance is completely dry. Check the lethal dosage amounts to make sure they are referring to 10g dry mass. If not, you'll need to figure out how much water their samples include.

Ryan
 
If you are buying your caffeine from a laboratory chemical ..seller?

Laboratory chemicals are NOT meant for ingesting. They have trace amounts of other chemicals that can/will be harmful to the ingester.

You could buy ultra-pure RNA-grade caffeine or something, but that would cost you much much more than simple laboratory grade caffeine.
 

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my two cents, buy the chemical grade caffine and slip it into your buddies drink. Besure to pay in cash and leave no tracable evidence at the scence of the crime. Worst comes to worst 3rd degree murder 10-20 years. well worth it.
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Anhydrous means it's not a hydrate. Some compounds are more stable or easier to handle when complexed with water, this has to be taken into account when making solutions (you'd need more mass of a hydrate to reach a given concentration than you would of an anhydrous).

slipping a gram in my buddy's cup of coffee
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Really really bad idea, don't do it.
 
Yeah... I wouldn't do it if I were you... different people may have different tolerances to caffeine. Not to mention... you obviously don't have government approved sources. I'd find another project if I were you.
Why not try it on yourself? That way yuou'll know if there are jitters or not.

Jeff
 
Originally posted by: Cheesehead
Recently, I've been looking at buying pure caffiene for a few projects I have. Because of the low lethal does of 10g, I only need about 100g total for my "Experiments". However, caffiene comes in assorted varieties such as caffiene anhydrous, etc. etc. etc. Which of these would I want if I wanted to give someone the jitters, and not to send them to the ER?
Also, I have seen a lack of places that sell caffiene in the amounts I require. It is usually sold in 10-Kg tubs, or in packets of about 2g. Does anyone know where I can buy caffiene in the requisite amounts?
Lastly, I'm open for suggestions as to uses of caffiene. I was thinking along the lines of selling caffinated water (there's a rule against anything else in classrooms), and slipping a gram in my buddy's cup of coffee, which is usually decaf.
-Cheesehead.
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That is a recipe for disaster, sir. Remember that lethal doses are based upon laboratory animal testing and the LIMIT is NOT A LIMIT - different people have different tolerances. Also, what you suggested is illegal and unethical.
 
1g pure shouldn't really be an issue, but impure could be a problem

LDLO is ~192mg/kg, according to google

 
glugglug:

Not bad!

Cheesehead:

http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/cg...&VersionSequence=1

Note that you need to have some sort of account to order, meaning you have to either run a lab or work for a lab. If you dont work for a lab, I dont see how you could need something this pure.

Read the MSDS. Do not ingest laboratory chemicals. Do not ingest anything that is not mean to be eaten. Do not feed these chemicals to your friends, family, pets. Sigma's stuff

 
hmmmmm i dont think this would be a good idea, but maybe just slip him a no-doz, i think that would be safe....... I once took 2 no-doz with some bawls at a lan and while playing cs couldnt keep my hand still, but i didnt die, just had some really bad jitters
 
phr0m:

Well, that's far from ingesting pure caffeine.

Think of it this way

It may be safe eating two spoonfuls of sugar, but that doesn't make eating 20 pounds of sugar equally safe.
 
Originally posted by: phr0m
hmmmmm i dont think this would be a good idea, but maybe just slip him a no-doz, i think that would be safe....... I once took 2 no-doz with some bawls at a lan and while playing cs couldnt keep my hand still, but i didnt die, just had some really bad jitters
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I love a practical joke as much as or more than anyone else...
I'm not sure about slipping someone caffeine, but from what I understand, baking ex-lax into cookies is a FELONY offense. (3rd degree tampering or something like that.)
So, I think if you get caught and someone wants to press charges, you're in SERIOUS trouble if you try something like that.
 
What kind of caffeine do soda companies use? It can't be that expensive, and i don't think it occurs naturally in the soda.
 
It's not very expensive, and if he had an ounce of brains in his head, he could find some. 30 seconds with Google and I found a retail source for it in the quantities he's looking for for around $15.

So, not only is he stupid for thinking of doing this, he's an idiot for not being able to.

 
10g is probably pretty close to the lethal limit. However, some people may have bad reactions at 5g or less. Whatever the case, ingesting 1g or so will likely land you in the hospital - or give you one hell of a panic attack.

Caffeine is a strong drug and it really should not be messed with. If you want to experiment with drink mixes you do have some safer options. You could always grind up Caffeine pills (at least they have a known and safe measure) and mix them with liquids. Should dissolve just fine.
 
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