OP I know you said you're tired of buying Pre's with tons of extra junk. I bought MAN PepTest yesterday at Vitamin Shoppe, imho a really solid profile that's pretty basic.
COMPOUNDED TESTOSTERONE PUMPS 3620 Mg
D-ASPARTIC ACID 3120 Mg
AGMATINE SULFATE 500 Mg
IR ENERGY BLEND 717 Mg
(CAFFEINE ANHYDROUS (400MG), LEAN GREEN GREEN TEA SE (90% CATCHINS, 60% EGCG), NELUMBO NUCIFERA (SEED) EXTRACT, (STANDARDIZED FOR HIGENAMINE, HORDEUM VULGARE (SEED) EXTRACT, (STANDARDIZED FOR HORDENINE), DI-CAFFEINE MALATE (50MG), COCOA PLANT (EXTRACT), RAUWOLSCINE)
Add 5g of any Creatine and you would have a real solid Pre. I'm stim tolerant to a fault, I took this yesterday and felt it. I saw it had a few things I've never seen in a Pre and didn't recognize at all. I Googled
What is Dicaffeine Malate?
Originally used by Coca Cola as an alternative to cocaine, DiCaffeine Malate is a stimulant-based ingredient used in colas and dietary supplements. DiCaffeine Malate claims to be more effective and easier to stomach than caffeine.
This had me pretty energetic, which is really saying something. And somehow MAN got it to taste almost exactly like you're drinking a liquid version of Sour Patch Kids. Of course to a lot of people 400mg of Caffeine at once would be way too much, and that's not even factoring in the rest of the energy blend.