Cable Internet Service dropping....

TJN23

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Hey guys

We just got Cable Internet Service added to our Basic Cable...Using the coaxial jack I just installed in my room, TV reception has been fine. Upon installing the cable modem and router, the setup worked fast and flawlessly the first night.

It's been a week now and other than that first night, my connection hangs, drops, times out, etc. at least 5 or 6 times a day. One day it worked flawlessly all day. Today it's hung all day.

Is this a sign of a poor ISP? I'm just looking for recommendations on whether or not to call the Cable company, and how to go about it, which questions to ask, how not to piss them off, etc.

TIA guys,

Tim
 

sep

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I'm unsure what's the problem. Is your cable connection messing up or internet?

I'm assuming it' the internet. Did everything work until the Router was installed? If so, Take the router back off for a couple of days. If the problem goes away reply with more information about the router + # of pc's and connection type. If problem still exist and the modem (and setup) is by the cable company leave the router off and call them for support. If you setup the modem then your going to be charged if the cable company comes out.

*Did you try powercycling the modem (default when you call the cable company)? If not tryit, unplug the cable modem from your PC/Router and the wall. Wait 1mn and connect the power, then eithernet and then power one the computer.

Let us know,
-JC
 

Soybomb

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Did you just put like a splitter on the line in your bedroom and run one side to the tv and the other to the modem? If so I'd guess that could be causing you a problem. As sep said try it without the router for a while. Also when you say it hangs or whatever, what are your status lights on your modem like?
 

bUnMaNGo

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The cable company should've run a line directly from the sidewalk to your cable modem, or at least split the direct line into your house into two, one going to another splitter for all the TVs, and the other directly to the cable modem. I'm guessing that you had a self-install kit?
 

TJN23

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sorry for getting back so late,....


yes i self-installed....first night i tried without the router initially and setup worked fine, cable modem (surfboard) and Internet fine...

then the connection would drop, but power/send/receive/online/pc activity lights would still be on....

then trying with router, same deal, only sometimes i'd get no send/online lights...

there is no splitter on the line directly to the modem, although it is a line split 3 times behind the wall jack upstairs in the attic...

last nite i restarted the modem and router, left it and went to bed, and no send/online lights...restarted it again this morning (pc, modem, and router) and after an hour i'm able to VNC connect to my computer, so its working...but has hung a couple times this morning...

i will try the setup w/o the router for a while...so we'll see how it goes

any other advice is appreciate, tia, tim
 

Praetor

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That could be the problem right there, having that splitter. Try and find it and see what rating is on the splitter. It should be rated 5-1000 MHz. There are a few other things it could be, but your best bet might be to have one of their service techs come out and take a look at it.

<-- video/phone/internet tech for cox. :p
 

TJN23

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Ok guys basically I've just tried going without the router...the cable modem hasn't been able to get the "send/online" lights fully activated for 2 days now...i'm using dial up now and its frustrating...

i've tested the modem on 4 different coaxial jacks in the house, 3 of which have working TVs connected to them, with the last one being unused. still not all green lights showing...

cable company is closed over the holiday weekend, but should i definitely get somebody to come down and take a look? i definitely have not been getting the service we're paying for since the start...

thanks guys for all your help...

tim
 

Soybomb

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but should i definitely get somebody to come down and take a look? i definitely have not been getting the service we're paying for since the start...
Yup, sounds like its a wiring issue. I suspect they'll have the techs run a dedicated line to the modem, all those splitters in your house have to be causing some trouble. And personally I feel like you are getting the service your paying for. The service is available but its not their fault you have wiring issues in your house. If you couldn't use your dialup isp because your dog chewed through the phone cord would it be their fault?
 

IQJUMPuw

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Yeah

I have the same exact problem dude, and I know exactly what the problem is. It's the cable splitter. One day it would be working fine, but one day my internet would go down for hours.

Remember this, your cable TV and cable internet has nothing to do with each other. Just because your TV works, doesn't mean your internet is going to work also. Try connecting your cable modem directly into the cable jack without the splitter. It will work flawlessly. I always do that whenever my internet goes down and plug it back into the cable splitter whenever I need to watch a TV. Pretty damn annoying, but I don't know what else to do... :(

 

TJN23

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ok guys thanks for your help....it must def. be a wiring issue....i feel better knowing other people have had this same problem...whats weird though is that i've tested the modem on all 4 jacks in the house, and i'm pretty sure 1 of them isn't "too" split...anyways i dont know enough about this stuff to make any good judgement...i will call the cable guys after the holiday and see how it goes...

thanks guys your help is much appreciated

Tim
 

bobcpg

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yeah i also think its a splitting problem. What could be happening is that perhaps its only split once. But split into 4. And from what i know after 3 splits you'll need an amp.

I have cable and i split it once from the direct line from the street and it works good.

-bob
 

TJN23

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ok, i know the main line coming in from the street is split 3 times...should i perhaps go out and buy a real good splitter (and perhaps change all my splitters) ?

also, should i test the cable modem on that main line comin in from the street?

i'd just as well do all these things but if the cable tech could do it i'd rather have him/her do it...

tim
 

TJN23

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UPDATE guys....

I talked to Adelphia (the cable provider) yesterday and they're sending a tech out...they said I've been coming in and out of range, i.e. sometimes they've been able to ping the modem, but most of the time no...

he said most likely my problem is that there's a leak somewhere in my house cable connection where the frequency just isn't consistent enough, which could be due to either in-house wiring problems or "within the neighborhood" wiring issues...

has anyone had problems like this relating to cable internet??

Tim
 

ErmanC

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I have a similar setup with one split. I have a TV card installed, so I split the cable between the wall jack and the cable modem so I could hook that up. I'm using a quality splitter with good connections. No problems with the cable modem, but the cable company gave me a notice for frequency INGRESS and disconnected my internet. I suspect it's the splitter, but I'm not sure. Now I'm without internet for several days waiting on them to come to my house and check the connection or something. Anyone else have any experience like this? What do they do and what is the proper way to make the split?

 

ncl

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Alright, here is the deal....WARNING, this may get long and boring ;)

A two-way DOCSIS cable modem (what 90% of cable operators use) operates on two separate Radio Frequencies within the cable lines. Think of these like "channels" on the TV side of cable - there just isn't any video on these channels, only data. The first is the forward or downstream frequency, this is information being sent to your modem (downloading). The second is the return or upstream frequency , this is the data you send out (upload).

Generally the Downstream frequency is a much higher frequency that the return. The nature of RF is that higher frequencies loose "strength" faster than lower frequencies. This is rated in how many dB is lost in every foot of cable. So in the drop from the tap to your home (say 100 feet) your forward signal may lose 5 dB, while your return only loses 1 dB.

You also loose signal strength in every "passive" device, for example a splitter. A two-way splitter will generally drop 3.5 dB off each leg (this is true across the entire frequency band, the loss is equal - not like loss in the cable). So if you had 10 dB going in, each line coming out would have 6.5 dB coming out. Splitters can be had in many varieties, 2-1, 3-1, 4-1, 6-1, etc...obviously the more splits, the higher your loss will be.

The ideal Forward signal level would be from -5 dB to 10 dB (the modems will work outside of this range, but may have problems). Return is best from 40 to 55 dB, this is how much power your modem has to inject in order to make it back to the CMTS (Cable Modem Termination System).

So let's say at the tap (where the drop to your home comes from) signal levels are 15 dB forward and 40 dB return (the return signal is how much signal is needed to get back to the headend). These figures do NOT take into account analog to digital conversion for meters, etc. I'm speaking in term of what the modem will see and need to inject.

So 15/40
Figure a 100 ft drop so you lose 5/1 that takes us to 10/41
Figure with splitters you lose 7 dB (guess) 3/48

So at the modem you will see 3 dB forward and need to inject 48 dB return......this is a good situation.

Now let's look at a bad one.

Tap 8/42
150 ft drop 7.5/1.5 = 1.5/43.5
Two-way splitter 3.5 = -2/47.5
Unbalanced Three-way splitter (one leg loses 4, the other two lose 7, we'll assume you are one of the 7's) = -9/55.5

So your return is still ok, but the forward is questionable. In this case the would do best to put your modem on one leg off the two-way (-2/47.5), but it might be enough to move your modem to the 4 dB loss leg of the three-way (-6/51.5), not great but it may be enough. In extreme cases, if the levels at the tap are too far off a "hard-line" tech may need to come and re-balance an amp, etc (to complex to discuss here).....

Yes, there are splitters that won't pass high enough frequencies, but if the splitter can from the cable company this generally isn't the issue. Also things like fittings can go bad and cause loss or leakage - leakage will allow ingress. Ingress is other RF getting on the cable line. For example HAM radios run in the same band that many modems run - if this gets in the line it can distort the modems signal. Etc, etc, etc.

That is my spiel for now, if anyone want more info let me know. I'll be glad to go into more detail, explain, whatever.

The long and the short of your problem could be very simple, or very difficult. What type of modem do you have? Depending on type you could likely look at some internal webpages and see the power levels.....

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Originally posted by: TJN23
UPDATE guys....

I talked to Adelphia (the cable provider) yesterday and they're sending a tech out...they said I've been coming in and out of range, i.e. sometimes they've been able to ping the modem, but most of the time no...

he said most likely my problem is that there's a leak somewhere in my house cable connection where the frequency just isn't consistent enough, which could be due to either in-house wiring problems or "within the neighborhood" wiring issues...

has anyone had problems like this relating to cable internet??

Tim


I have DSL, but I have a lot of cust. that have run into this before, as well have seen many threads here along the same lines. If all the coax jacks in your house that aren't being used don't have terminators that's probably all there is to it.