cable-dsl-dial up facts wrong

[sonoma1993]

Hey what do you guys think of the information these two people posted over on allakhazam.com final fantasy 11 forums

In most areas SBC will sell you a DSL line for less than 20 dollars a month. If you want to keep AOL (I cant imagine why,since the IM part you can use for free with instant messanger) you can get the "bring your own access" plan. If your really want to keep AOL,you can also look at the AOL DSL plans,but SBC is a MUCH better choice. Its cheap and reliable. I get 1.2Mbps. For about 5 dollars more,you can get twice that. Stay away from cable modem. Some people have good luck with it,and for those that have it working,more power to them. Many people however have very bad luck. They have speed and connection reliability problems. DSL is the way to go for reliable speed,unless your lucky enough to live in one of the very few areas that has high speed fiber optic. Posted By Valtoramir


Cable modems are extremely high latency(higher than dial-up), and games such as ff rely on low latency, i would almost recommend dial up over cable if youre not downloading, but ADSL or T1 is the best you can get for any MMO.

Cable has higher download rate potential than DSL, but unless you live beside the server station and in a sparsely populated area you will rarely see a difference. posted by
Andremagus

here a link to the post

final fantasy XI

 

[brandonbull]

I didn't see any sarcasm tags

 

[Goosemaster]

cable modems are extremely high latency(higher than dial-up), and games such as ff rely on low latency, i would almost recommend dial up over cable if youre not downloading, but ADSL or T1 is the best you can get for any MMO

kick that guy in the nads for me.

but unless you live beside the server station and in a sparsely populated area you will rarely see a difference.

*shakes head*

 

[FoBoT]

that is a bunch of crap

 

[wvtalbot]

I always get my tech advice from the the FF11 forums!!

 

[Brainonska511]

Even if there was a possibility that the 'information' that they gave out had even a remote possibility of being true, I would still take my 10/2 cable service over dsl any day of the week.

 

[raildogg]

A little bit of generalizing?

Higher lateny? My lag-o-meter shows me that my lag is pretty low and I get low pings on my cable modem. On my DSL, I used to get 25-30ms pings to this one game. After getting cable at 3mb/384kbps I get around 10ms on average. Sometimes, I get 5ms ping.

My old ATT dsl was at 768/128 and was pretty quick for web surfing. But now cable offers a better deal and is faster than comparable dsl. Plus, they upped their speed to 5mb download, which is great. I rarely get outages and when I do, its sometimes my fault. You cannot generalize and say dsl is better for gaming than cable. In my personal opinion, the opposite is true.

But the truth is that it depends on your service provider. There is no one rule. But cable is a better overall package, in my opinion.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Cable latency: 30ms
Dialup latency: 240ms
Directway latency: 1200ms

 

[spidey07]

hah, those knuckle heads don't understand that bandwidth does correlate to end to end latency.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: raildogg
A little bit of generalizing?

Higher lateny? My lag-o-meter shows me that my lag is pretty low and I get low pings on my cable modem. On my DSL, I used to get 25-30ms pings to this one game. After getting cable at 3mb/384kbps I get around 10ms on average. Sometimes, I get 5ms ping.

My old ATT dsl was at 768/128 and was pretty quick for web surfing. But now cable offers a better deal and is faster than comparable dsl. Plus, they upped their speed to 5mb download, which is great. I rarely get outages and when I do, its sometimes my fault. You cannot generalize and say dsl is better for gaming than cable. In my personal opinion, the opposite is true.

But the truth is that it depends on your service provider. There is no one rule. But cable is a better overall package, in my opinion.

where you playing the same games on the same servers while you had both dsl and cable? because distance from server is going to make a difference too.

isn't this the wrong forum anyway?

 

[FoBoT]

i think the OP just wanted to make fun of them, not really get any answers, so i would say "right forum"

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: raildogg
A little bit of generalizing?

Higher lateny? My lag-o-meter shows me that my lag is pretty low and I get low pings on my cable modem. On my DSL, I used to get 25-30ms pings to this one game. After getting cable at 3mb/384kbps I get around 10ms on average. Sometimes, I get 5ms ping.

My old ATT dsl was at 768/128 and was pretty quick for web surfing. But now cable offers a better deal and is faster than comparable dsl. Plus, they upped their speed to 5mb download, which is great. I rarely get outages and when I do, its sometimes my fault. You cannot generalize and say dsl is better for gaming than cable. In my personal opinion, the opposite is true.

But the truth is that it depends on your service provider. There is no one rule. But cable is a better overall package, in my opinion.

where you playing the same games on the same servers while you had both dsl and cable? because distance from server is going to make a difference too.

isn't this the wrong forum anyway?

same distance. I know my ping did drop after getting cable. I however not notice web pages loading any faster.

for web surfing, even a 256/128 connection is fine.

 

[sonoma1993]

yeah i was just wanted to make fun of them for the total crap info that was posted by those two guys

 

[cavemanmoron]

Originally posted by: sonoma1993
Hey what do you guys think of the information these two people posted over on allakhazam.com final fantasy 11 forums

In most areas SBC will sell you a DSL line for less than 20 dollars a month. If you want to keep AOL (I cant imagine why,since the IM part you can use for free with instant messanger) you can get the "bring your own access" plan. If your really want to keep AOL,you can also look at the AOL DSL plans,but SBC is a MUCH better choice. Its cheap and reliable. I get 1.2Mbps. For about 5 dollars more,you can get twice that. Stay away from cable modem. Some people have good luck with it,and for those that have it working,more power to them. Many people however have very bad luck. They have speed and connection reliability problems. DSL is the way to go for reliable speed,unless your lucky enough to live in one of the very few areas that has high speed fiber optic. Posted By Valtoramir


Cable modems are extremely high latency(higher than dial-up), and games such as ff rely on low latency, i would almost recommend dial up over cable if youre not downloading, but ADSL or T1 is the best you can get for any MMO.

Cable has higher download rate potential than DSL, but unless you live beside the server station and in a sparsely populated area you will rarely see a difference. posted by
Andremagus

here a link to the post

final fantasy XI

somebody needs to come compare where I live.

I used to have DSL, thru Covad, my tests were 480 dl/ 95 upload avg.

Today my upload is about average, download slightly better than average,

I avg 3,800 down, 200 upload on Roadrunner.

Latency i don't pay attention to.


dslreports.com speed test result on 2006-02-21 15:02:15 EST:
4670 / 213
Your download speed : 4670 kbps or 583.7 KB/sec.
That is 29.9% better than avg. other reports from rr.com

Your upload speed : 213 kbps or 26.7 KB/sec.
That is 46.3% worse than avg. other reports from rr.com

 

[Shelly21]

What the heck is ???????????????????

 

[FoBoT]

did you move again Gwen?

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Cable latency: 30ms
Dialup latency: 240ms
Directway latency: 1200ms

I'm sure they would tell you that you just don't understand how ms works, higher = better. :laugh:

 

[Leper Messiah]

hahaha. So somehow a cable connection, is slower than dial up? roflmao. The latency involved in changing an anlog signal to a digital one is one of the main reasons why dial up sucks for gaming.

 

[cavemanmoron]

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[Shelly21]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
did you move again Gwen?

a few hours away from my old place.

 

[Treyshadow]

I know when I lived in austin just about 1 year ago, I had Cable and DSL. SBC was the DSL provider, cable came from timewarner.

My DSL was a steady 3.5 Mbps where as my cable jumped all around. Sometimes higher, most of the time, much worse, and latency was much higher on my cable connection. Games like Desert Combat (remember it was a year ago) had DSL 30 ms, where cable was 80-90. ms Now when I switched the cable from time warner to grande, the tables turned. Grande was much better than Timewarner. So much so that all of the gamers I know in the Austin area started making the switch when Grande became available in their area.

 

[DeviousTrap]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: raildogg
A little bit of generalizing?

Higher lateny? My lag-o-meter shows me that my lag is pretty low and I get low pings on my cable modem. On my DSL, I used to get 25-30ms pings to this one game. After getting cable at 3mb/384kbps I get around 10ms on average. Sometimes, I get 5ms ping.

My old ATT dsl was at 768/128 and was pretty quick for web surfing. But now cable offers a better deal and is faster than comparable dsl. Plus, they upped their speed to 5mb download, which is great. I rarely get outages and when I do, its sometimes my fault. You cannot generalize and say dsl is better for gaming than cable. In my personal opinion, the opposite is true.

But the truth is that it depends on your service provider. There is no one rule. But cable is a better overall package, in my opinion.

where you playing the same games on the same servers while you had both dsl and cable? because distance from server is going to make a difference too.

isn't this the wrong forum anyway?

same distance. I know my ping did drop after getting cable. I however not notice web pages loading any faster.

for web surfing, even a 256/128 connection is fine.

Of course a 256kbps connection is fine, but I find it very hard to believe that you can't notice the difference in loading speed between that and a 4mbps (average) cable connection. For example the size of the AnandTech.com home page is 346kb. At 256kbps that will take 10.81 seconds, on a 4mbps cable connection it will take .692 seconds (theoretically, you have to allow a bit of time for dns lookups and the php pages to generate, this only calculates raw loading time.).

 

[Howard]

With my cable connection, I can get sub-20ms pings to a local CS server.

 

[brandonbull]

I was under the impression DSL would have higher latency because it can only send or receive not both at the same time.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: brandonbull
I was under the impression DSL would have higher latency because it can only send or receive not both at the same time.

With my old iDSL connection I would get between 50-120ms, dialup was around 240-250ms, and my cable is 12-20ms