You should do the same. I've read your view of what constitutes 'unauthorized' cable use, but it's no more valid than anyone else's here. I'd like to see a cite to a court case (at any level - federal, state, local) in which a consumer was held liable for cable use after the customer requested the cable service be discontinued. I can't imagine any judge would accept such a theory, but I'll freely admit I could be wrong. Show me.
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You should do the same. I've read your view of what constitutes 'unauthorized' cable use, but it's no more valid than anyone else's here. I'd like to see a cite to a court case (at any level - federal, state, local) in which a consumer was held liable for cable use after the customer requested the cable service be discontinued. I can't imagine any judge would accept such a theory, but I'll freely admit I could be wrong. Show me.
Coalfax
Senior member
Its pretty basic really. You use a service, you pay for it.
From the looks of the nifty thread however, you are arguing with some people who just want things for free. You cant win an argument with them, so you are better off letting them alone and revolving abouty the threads that actually mean something. Someday, reality will bite them, with, or without, the wisdom of intelligence.
From the looks of the nifty thread however, you are arguing with some people who just want things for free. You cant win an argument with them, so you are better off letting them alone and revolving abouty the threads that actually mean something. Someday, reality will bite them, with, or without, the wisdom of intelligence.
That's idiotic and overly simplistic.
Hey, look, I just gave you my opinion! You owe me $100! You can't just use a service (reading my opinion) without paying for it, even if you didn't ask for such a service. You read it, now pay up! Or are you just one of those people always trying to get things for free? Shame on you!! Where are your morals?!?!
Oh please. There's not a single court cite on that page. You're confusing your interpretation of a law with the actual text of a law, which is generally open to debate. I asked you to show me a single court case in which a judge accepted your interpretation, that use of cable after a customer canceled the service constitutes cable theft, and you have not done so. What law school did you attend, anyway?
2Xtreme21
Diamond Member
You realize you're saying that during the period of time between when anyone cancels their cable service and the cable company disconnecting the line, it is illegal for that person to... live in his residence? Are you serious? Gimme your address so I can send you something and then call the cops on you saying you stole it from me. Using your logic, you'd go to jail for 6 months and be fined $1000.
Any site that would be able to provide an actual court doc will charge a subscription to use it. The law is open to the judges interpretation, and they will interperet a years free service as stealing and award money to the cable company. My major wasn't law, it was telecommunicatons 🙂
I think the burden of proof is on you at this time, I provided links to the law, and the fact that the OP was charged puts the ball in your court.
bucwylde23
Diamond Member
:thumbsup:
Screw Adelphia. It's a long story, but I got charged twice for my last bill due to a problem with their over-the-phone payment system. Their system only showed one charge, so they tried to say that there wasn't 2 charges. Meanwhile, I had the same amount taken out of my CC and debit card.
After 3 hours on the phone and 3 trips to speak to a manager with all of my statements as proof (polite the entire time) the woman in the office flipped out for no reason and threw papers at me, yelled, and threatened to call the police on me.
Let's just say my bill is PAID for the next month, $40 discount for a year, ALL the movie channels absolutely free, and free digital channels. Thanks Comcast
Edit: sorry, I just saw all this talk of cable companies/adelphia and had to rant 😀
Screw Adelphia. It's a long story, but I got charged twice for my last bill due to a problem with their over-the-phone payment system. Their system only showed one charge, so they tried to say that there wasn't 2 charges. Meanwhile, I had the same amount taken out of my CC and debit card.
After 3 hours on the phone and 3 trips to speak to a manager with all of my statements as proof (polite the entire time) the woman in the office flipped out for no reason and threw papers at me, yelled, and threatened to call the police on me.
Let's just say my bill is PAID for the next month, $40 discount for a year, ALL the movie channels absolutely free, and free digital channels. Thanks Comcast
Edit: sorry, I just saw all this talk of cable companies/adelphia and had to rant 😀
bucwylde23
Diamond Member
Oh and I wouldn't pay them a dime. Tell them to show you proof of activity. Bet you'll never see it. They would require YOU to show proof for anything.
Even if they have proof I still wouldn't pay. You asked them to turn it off.
Even if they have proof I still wouldn't pay. You asked them to turn it off.
Again, that's just your opinion until you demonstrate otherwise. And there's lots of free websites which cite to significant legal cases, but regardless, I don't suggest you waste time looking for something that most likely doesn't exist. I've been practicing federal law for 10 years this month, and I seriously doubt any competent judge would make a customer pay a cable bill if the customer properly notified the cable company that they wished the service to be canceled. THAT action terminates the contract, and the right of the cable company to bill the customer. If the company continued the service, it's presumed to be gratis.
Being charged means nothing. Heck, I could send you a bill for my time here, but no court would make you pay it.
ultimatebob
Lifer
Question is... what cable company does Thorny work for? 🙂
See, folks... This is why media monopolies are BAD. When you give one company too much power in a certain area, they start to get a God complex and think that they can rewrite the laws to suit them.
See, folks... This is why media monopolies are BAD. When you give one company too much power in a certain area, they start to get a God complex and think that they can rewrite the laws to suit them.
Your logic is off. There is no law saying you can send me something unsolicited and expect me to pay for it. In fact, there is a law saying the opposite There is a law for unauthorized reception of cable service. Your trying to infer that the law I linked to somehow applied to mailed services, when it in fact does not.
So thier God complex is asking this ONE individual we are discussing to pay for services he USED. :roll:
Show me the abuse please, where is it, are there any others here that have been wronged so erroniously??
Media monopolies are bad, but not because they ask someone to pay for what they used.
I agree to disagree, because this argument could take days 🙂
My real beef isn't cable theft anyway. It's all the people in this thread that think they're ENTITLED to profit from others mistakes. Ethics and Integrity have left this country, and the honest man suffers for it.
The outlet in the home is his, the coax cable is his, the TV is his......he was using what he he owns. The only thing the cable company owns is the signal coming through that wall. They were giving that to him for free after he requested a cancellation. It is their responsibility to stop giving away free cable. What did he steal? Its not stealing if someone is feeding it to you after you tell them to stop.
All you high horse morality police idiots can rot in hell......clean up your own life before you start calling people thieves over something that is not even the case.
I suppose with your logic, your neighobrs WiFi signal you steal for your internet is rightfully yours to use, since they pump it to you and all. Same for all the MP3s and movies on the net, those are fine for you to DL to because you own the computer you're using. Grow up and pay for what you use.
BTW, I'm done with this thread. You guys can go head and steal whatever you want because corporate america is evil and the law doesn't apply to you. Have fun.
QueBert
Lifer
if a neighbor is dumb enough to not put WEP on their Wifi, then maybe thery deserve to have it used by others. When I originally went wireless I actually connected to my next door neighbors because the signal was stronger, I honestly didn't think to check. I hooked up my wifi adapter and BOOM internet. By your logic I was breaking the law, maybe i was, but I didn't know. I didn't have WEP on mine either, whoever wanted to get on it could.
I ended up figuring it out about 6 months later, your analogy isn't the same, having your TV hooked up to cable and having it working AFTER you told them to disconnect it, it's on them not you to turn it off.
bottom line, the cable company couldn't have possibly detected an analog signal, weather the OP was right or wrong, sh!t like this worries me. What happens when you cancel and don't check, then they want to charge you the same down the road. What's to stop them from doing it??
Bill Brasky
Diamond Member
lol, I bet you hit the nail on the head.
Personally, I don't think it matters whether he used it or not. He told them to cancel. They stopped billing.
Another vote for don't pay a dime.
I'm getting in late on this, but you do not need to pay for additional service.
Your service cannot be canceled immediately, and if it is then you must receive a pro-rated refund of your remaining days. Otherwise you still have service until the remainder of your payment term.
Under the same pretence, you can still use the service until it is actually turned off, there is no reason for them not to turn it off especially if they did it late, but canceling your account does not mean you have to stop using it if it still works. (The exception is in the case of rented equipment like a cable box, which you have to return or it must be picked up at the end of your payment term to fully close the account.) All other cases, you got a free demo service beyond your payment period. Cable companies do this sometimes, meaning they enable service and or premium channels for a short time to show you what you are missing.
You are in good shape. When I was I moved out of a college apartment, I canceled my services, but they did not cancel them so I continued getting billed.
Cable was not a problem, the phone was bad as the new tenants put on hundreds of dollars of long distance. Pissed me off twice as I was not supposed to have long distance service at all.
Either way, after some headaches, I paid my last regular bill, but not for anything charged after I canceled. Don't know what they did with the long distance charges.
Cable was relatively simple, and I paid the last bill as normal.
Also, if you still had cable internet and received basic cable you are definitely into clear. Before, and some places even now for some reason cannot/do not cancel basic cable with internet cable. If it is a descrambled feed that you are receiving from other service, it is LEGAL service. Any passive cable law does not apply as you are legally receiving service, any additional services that come without any special equipment or any special means is deemed part of the service.
Furthermore, disconnecting your own cable is not required, and it could even be considered illegal as you are tampering with the service. You technically could ground your cable in your own house to completely turn it off and kill the signal for at least everyone in your area. The cable company would love that.
There used to be a place on line or somewhere where you could find a schedule of when and where premium channels, or sometimes even Pay-Per-View channels are enabled for a free preview. Anybody know where I can find this info these days?
Your service cannot be canceled immediately, and if it is then you must receive a pro-rated refund of your remaining days. Otherwise you still have service until the remainder of your payment term.
Under the same pretence, you can still use the service until it is actually turned off, there is no reason for them not to turn it off especially if they did it late, but canceling your account does not mean you have to stop using it if it still works. (The exception is in the case of rented equipment like a cable box, which you have to return or it must be picked up at the end of your payment term to fully close the account.) All other cases, you got a free demo service beyond your payment period. Cable companies do this sometimes, meaning they enable service and or premium channels for a short time to show you what you are missing.
You are in good shape. When I was I moved out of a college apartment, I canceled my services, but they did not cancel them so I continued getting billed.
Cable was not a problem, the phone was bad as the new tenants put on hundreds of dollars of long distance. Pissed me off twice as I was not supposed to have long distance service at all.
Either way, after some headaches, I paid my last regular bill, but not for anything charged after I canceled. Don't know what they did with the long distance charges.
Cable was relatively simple, and I paid the last bill as normal.
Also, if you still had cable internet and received basic cable you are definitely into clear. Before, and some places even now for some reason cannot/do not cancel basic cable with internet cable. If it is a descrambled feed that you are receiving from other service, it is LEGAL service. Any passive cable law does not apply as you are legally receiving service, any additional services that come without any special equipment or any special means is deemed part of the service.
Furthermore, disconnecting your own cable is not required, and it could even be considered illegal as you are tampering with the service. You technically could ground your cable in your own house to completely turn it off and kill the signal for at least everyone in your area. The cable company would love that.
There used to be a place on line or somewhere where you could find a schedule of when and where premium channels, or sometimes even Pay-Per-View channels are enabled for a free preview. Anybody know where I can find this info these days?
JetsFanatic
Platinum Member
How did you get caught??
wondering the same thing
when we moved into our new house, ford was paying for our internet at home, thats $200 a month for commercial cable (no wonder the idiots might be goin outa biz, but thats besides the point) - anyway, when the installer came out he strait up said damn since you guys are paying so much for internet ill just leave the cable tv on (prev owner had it), and so we've had 200 free channels for the last 6yrs and going strong 😀
ps. dont pay em shiiiiit'
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