CA to secede from the union

[MikeMike]

Nope but your attitude, of which many people shared, certainly did. So again, fuck you!

Great tolerance from the left.
- So I should have voted for someone I could not support?

You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill
I will choose a path that's clear
I will choose freewill

 

[gus6464]

That and bringing back jobs and/or helping them get more educational assistance so they can get better paying jobs. I don't think Trump is going to be able to increase wages that much on a national scale, but obviously that would be the best thing to do. The next best thing is getting more tech (or hot industries like medical sector) companies brought into these states as well as more educational assistance to provide the workforce. That would be my plan.

But back to my original point, if people in higher cost of living areas like major cities are doing better, then why should they be able to dictate policy onto rural america? Especially when policies that will help rural America would probably help urban America as well (e.g. more educational assistance for those at poverty levels).

So basically more government assistance and welfare which the Republicans are completely against. Yeah they will get right on that.

 

[Maxima1]

Nope but your attitude, of which many people shared, certainly did. So again, fuck you!

It's stupid to ***** about someone not voting in CA. It's one of the safest Dem states.

 

[fskimospy]

That and bringing back jobs and/or helping them get more educational assistance so they can get better paying jobs. I don't think Trump is going to be able to increase wages that much on a national scale, but obviously that would be the best thing to do. The next best thing is getting more tech (or hot industries like medical sector) companies brought into these states as well as more educational assistance to provide the workforce. That would be my plan.

But back to my original point, if people in higher cost of living areas like major cities are doing better, then why should they be able to dictate policy onto rural america? Especially when policies that will help rural America would probably help urban America as well (e.g. more educational assistance for those at poverty levels).

So political power should be apportioned inversely to wealth?

Wut.

 

[MrSquished]

Considering the majority of wealth in this country revolves around 7 major cities, no they shouldn't be able to dictate to rural folks who are hurting. If you truly care about equality and being progressive, they are hurting a lot worse than city folk. Hence they should be able to switch parties and swing elections - I have zero problem with that since I'm able to empathize with how bad they have it. You really don't know shit unless you talk to people in these states. I have friends who have decent IT jobs there and they tell me how shitty it is for their families and friends. Whereas here in the DC metro beltway area, "roughing it" is comprised of having to buy something used vs new. Give me a fucking break. Democrats forgot about their own and their own told them to F off. This gives them the right to dictate to snobby city fucks who they want to run the country and help them, because their previous party (D's) sure as hell did not.

you are just saying the same thing again just with more words. it's fine to admit you just want the system working to placate the demographics you sympathize with vs those you don't. just stop pretending that it's about a fair system. you are happy more rural areas selected a leader. that makes you just as biased as someone who wants the cities to have had the final say.

 

[ivwshane]

Great tolerance from the left.
- So I should have voted for someone I could not support?

You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill
I will choose a path that's clear
I will choose freewill

When the options are binary and one candidate is bad for the country regardless of what party they represent, yes.

This wasn't mitt vs Clinton, or a Bush vs Clinton, where the reality is that either one would have been ok, this was a choice between a short fused, narcissist vs an unlikable known. You chose trump by not voting. Fuck you

 

[Maxima1]

you are just saying the same thing again just with more words. it's fine to admit you just want the system working to placate the demographics you sympathize with vs those you don't. just stop pretending that it's about a fair system. you are happy more rural areas selected a leader. that makes you just as biased as someone who wants the cities to have had the final say.

The one's arguing for popular vote aren't biased. The electoral college was set up to placate the slave owning class. it's arbitrary and nonsensical to cater to a significant minority, and it is now made many times worse because they'll have the SC leaning conservative/libertarian for decades.

 

[ivwshane]

It's stupid to ***** about someone not voting in CA. It's one of the safest Dem states.

The attitude didn't just prevail in CA.

 

[Maxima1]

The attitude didn't just prevail in CA.

Sure but PA and WI I think are competitive emough that I'd vote but not necessarily in states like New York or New Jersey, though I concede they were far off from the polls, and MI seemed even less likely than those two.

Edit: Another issue is all the stupid voters who vote third party, which harmed Democrats more this time. It's easy to fix with a better voting system (e.g. range voting) but the masses are stupid and ignorant.

 

[TeeJay1952]

for the record, i firmly believe that if texas wants to secede, they should.

Can Cities leave county? County a state? House from city?

 

[fskimospy]

you are just saying the same thing again just with more words. it's fine to admit you just want the system working to placate the demographics you sympathize with vs those you don't. just stop pretending that it's about a fair system. you are happy more rural areas selected a leader. that makes you just as biased as someone who wants the cities to have had the final say.

I really don't know if that's an equal bias. I mean one side is saying 'people's votes should count more based on where their house is' and other people are saying 'all votes should be equal'.

I mean are those really equivalently biased statements?

 

[ivwshane]

Sure but PA and WI I think are competitive emough that I'd vote but not necessarily in states like New York or New Jersey, though I concede they were far off from the polls, and MI seemed even less likely than those two.

Edit: Another issue is all the stupid voters who vote third party, which harmed Democrats more this time. It's easy to fix with a better voting system (e.g. range voting) but the masses are stupid and ignorant.

Pennsylvania, was considered about as blue as you can get. Anybody thinking they could stay home when the choice was between catastrophic vs a bitch is an idiot. Pennsylvania and Michigan could have won it for Hillary. This was the wrong election to be complacent and time and time again dems prove they are too stupid and lack any foresight to see how their votes impact the election.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Phone issue

 

[fskimospy]

Can Cities leave county? County a state? House from city?

Serious question though, one I asked long before this election. It seems like large, contiguous swaths of the country want to live under dramatically different forms of government. Maybe that's not the worst thing?

I doubt the conservative areas would ever actually want that situation to happen as they would be fiscally screwed but you could probably soften that with some sort of support payments from the liberal areas to the conservative ones to smooth the transition.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Phone issue

 

[fskimospy]

Can Cities leave county? County a state? House from city?

Serious question though, one I asked long before this election. It seems like large, contiguous swaths of the country want to live under dramatically different forms of government. Maybe that's not the worst thing?

I doubt the conservative areas would ever actually want that situation to happen as they would be fiscally screwed but you could probably soften that with some sort of support payments from the liberal areas to the conservative ones to smooth the transition.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Phone issue

 

[ivwshane]

Sure but PA and WI I think are competitive emough that I'd vote but not necessarily in states like New York or New Jersey, though I concede they were far off from the polls, and MI seemed even less likely than those two.

Edit: Another issue is all the stupid voters who vote third party, which harmed Democrats more this time. It's easy to fix with a better voting system (e.g. range voting) but the masses are stupid and ignorant.

Pennsylvania, was considered about as blue as you can get. Anybody thinking they could stay home when the choice was between catastrophic vs a bitch is an idiot. Pennsylvania and Michigan could have won it for Hillary. This was the wrong election to be complacent and time and time again dems prove they are too stupid and lack any foresight to see how their votes impact the election.

 

[ivwshane]

Really? I could have sworn Clinton won California

The attitude didn't just prevail in CA.

Pennsylvania and Michigan say hi.

 

[Maxima1]

Pennsylvania, was considered about as blue as you can get. Anybody thinking they could stay home when the choice was between catastrophic vs a bitch is an idiot. Pennsylvania and Michigan could have won it for Hillary. This was the wrong election to be complacent and time and time again dems prove they are too stupid and lack any foresight to see how their votes impact the election.

Pennsylvania is not considered "blue as you get". Neither is Wisconsin. The Trump team said it was in play. Please. No one would say that kind of thing with NY or CA, for example. Michigan isn't either, but I concede many thought it was going to Hillary.

A big problem was not people deciding to simply not vote, but their attitude towards Hillary's trust issues, etc.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Pennsylvania and Michigan say hi.

So cuss him for something others did. Good to know infighting will be enjoyed by all parties

 

[ivwshane]

So cuss him for something others did. Good to know infighting will be enjoyed by all parties

You seem to be having trouble following along. I was highlighting how his attitude was bad and caused the results we got because his attitude wasn't something unique to him. Do you get it now or should I create another reply but instead of using words use pictures? Perhaps I could make a YouTube video for you as those seem to be all the rage for people who poses little in the way of critical thinking.

 

[bshole]

Great tolerance from the left.
- So I should have voted for someone I could not support?

You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill
I will choose a path that's clear
I will choose freewill

Ah Rush........ great song but 2112 was the album which I smoked the most pot to. I would trade the rest of my life for one week of those days....

 

[Muse]

CA isn't going to secede. We at the west coast live in a totally different world. We are just going to wait for Trump to burn congress to the ground. I truly feel sorry though for all those people in the rust belt that voted for him and will end up with less than what they started with.

If it plays out that way, it should teach them a lesson that they will have a really hard time forgetting and we'd all be better off for that.

 

[Maxima1]

The unfortunate thing is Republicans play BS when they get in power. They tend to keep the programs as is and maybe some spending here and there (but refused infrastructure spending under Obama) and bring in the tax cuts (with much at the top). So if Trump doesn't do something really stupid (e.g. attack Iran), he'll probably be rewarded for the "good" economy, since the austerity will be taken away, despite distribution still favoring the elites.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

You seem to be having trouble following along. I was highlighting how his attitude was bad and caused the results we got because his attitude wasn't something unique to him. Do you get it now or should I create another reply but instead of using words use pictures? Perhaps I could make a YouTube video for you as those seem to be all the rage for people who poses little in the way of critical thinking.

No, I see a butthurt person cussing someone for exercising their right to not to vote in a state where it didn't matter. I wrote in John Kasich as I knew Trump would carry Texas.

 

[ivwshane]

No, I see a butthurt person cussing someone for exercising their right to not to vote in a state where it didn't matter. I wrote in John Kasich as I knew Trump would carry Texas.

Personal responsibility. Take some.

 

[lopri]

Obviously a hyperbole and a "symbolic speech." No state will secede from the Union without the consent of the other states.