CA to secede from the union

[JulesMaximus]

Yup and its true, we really can't relate to any one else. Even with Trump winning all I could think of is at least I live in California.

Agreed. I love it here and as much as I dislike Trump I don't really support secession.

 

[Muse]

Parts of CA are super liberal. None of the people I work with or my facebook feed can relate to what's happening. FFS even super conservative Republican Orange County went democrat this year.

It is clear to me that we live in this CA liberal bubble, and what most of us want is (evidently) not what 50.1% of the rest of the country wants.

Trump lost the popular vote.

I saw a story on the TV news last night, local station was interviewing a professor at Hastings Law School, on the UC Berkeley campus. He was saying that the just-passed law legalizing marijuana use in California may be neutralized if the federal government starts to take aggressive action against pot use in CA, which they haven't been doing until now. But who knows what Trump administration will do? Trump said he was "against it," they showed a bit of video of him saying that at a lecturn.

It seems to me that CA has a lot of what it takes to be their own nation. However, the biggest hurdle it seems to me (without thinking about it too much) would be military and security. It could conceivably work if CA got US protection, but negotiating that with a Trump administration? Might be easier to work a deal with Putin. JK.

 

[Muse]

This week I learned that California (maybe even the west coast) is not on the same page as the rest of the US.

Actually, a lot of CA went red, the rural portions. Probably a lot more area went red. It was the coast and urban centers that went blue, the bay area (where I am) super blue.

CA certainly has the agriculture, also the technology. It has incredible diversity, it has education. Could CA develop its own adequate military? If so, independence is very feasible.

 

[Slacker]

There will be a wall, and commiefornia will pay to build it.

 

[MikeMike]

Trump lost the popular vote.

I saw a story on the TV news last night, local station was interviewing a professor at Hastings Law School, on the UC Berkeley campus. He was saying that the just-passed law legalizing marijuana use in California my be neutralized if the federal government starts to take aggressive action against pot use in CA, which they haven't been doing until now. But who knows what Trump administration will do? Trump said he was "against it," they showed a bit of video of him saying that at a lecturn.

It seems to me that CA has a lot of what it takes to be their own nation. However, the biggest hurdle it seems to me (without thinking about it too much) would be military and security. It could conceivably work if CA got US protection, but negotiating that with a Trump administration? Might be easier to work a deal with Putin. JK.

CNN is projecting Trump to win Popular vote now too.

 

[JM Aggie08]

lol

Texas has been trying this same shit for the past 8 years

Huh, that's interesting. Haven't heard anything regarding that in the last eight years, other than the occasional redneck spouting off on social media. I haven't heard any concrete plans from our state officials, nor has it been on any major news networks.

You must have some insider information!

 

[gorcorps]

Huh, that's interesting. Haven't heard anything regarding that in the last eight years, other than the occasional redneck spouting off on social media. I haven't heard any concrete plans from our state officials, nor has it been on any major news networks.

You must have some insider information!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ecession-movement-is-getting-kind-of-serious/

No insider information, just the internet.

(PS: I'm aware that it never really had a chance of moving that way, but given that it was being voted on I think it was a little more serious than just the occasional redneck)

 

[nakedfrog]

This week I learned that California (maybe even the west coast) is not on the same page as the rest of the US.

There was a protest in Omaha, NE last night.

 

[cbrunny]

Makes sense to me. America was founded based on not wanting to be governed by the person governing the colonies, without representation, etc. I think it is completely reasonable for Cali to feel this way, granted Trump hasn't really done anything policy-wise yet.

I dont understand the infatuation with forcing a group of people to be governed by someone they dont want to be governed by in most reasonable cases. Even in Canada, we have this conversation with QC every now and then. I don't see what the big deal is. They don't want to be here. Let them go.

A lot of people would define that as justice.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

Actually, a lot of CA went red, the rural portions. Probably a lot more area went red. It was the coast and urban centers that went blue, the bay area (where I am) super blue.

CA certainly has the agriculture, also the technology. It has incredible diversity, it has education. Could CA develop its own adequate military? If so, independence is very feasible.

It was still 61% Hillary to 33% Trump

https://www.google.com/search?q=cal...d=chrome&ie=UTF-8#eob=enn/p/ca/0/0///////////

 

[dank69]

CNN is projecting Trump to win Popular vote now too.

Got a link for that?

 

[Perknose]

It is clear to me that we live in this CA liberal bubble, and what most of us want is (evidently) not what 50.1% of the rest of the country wants.

Ummmm, how did you arrive at this figure? If it is a reference to Trump winning the election, not only didn't he get 50.1% of the vote, he got 200,000 plus less votes than Hillary did. Just sayin'.

 

[Sunburn74]

Buck up and put on big boy pants.
It sucked for Texas under Obama (supposedly) and it will suck for California under Trump (supposedly).

Actually it was pretty nice for Texas under Obama. A lot of growth as oil peaked 3 years ago until the price of oil collapsed and then still pretty nice actually. In the cities. Texas as a state actually has its infrastructure down and lots of venues for job and population growth other than big oil. It's social services that are a shit show (medicaid, child protective services, education, etc). There are websites that detail places with the largest recent increases in cost of home ownership and apartment rentals (something that ties into desirability of a place to live) and I think 3 major Texas cities are in the top 10.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

Got a link for that?

http://www.cnn.com/election/results/president

They are but I don't know how they're getting that.

 

[Ns1]

Ummmm, how did you arrive at this figure? If it is a reference to Trump winning the election, not only didn't he get 50.1% of the vote, he got 200,000 plus less votes than Hillary did. Just sayin'.

Subtract CA votes from the rest of the 50 states, then compare Clinton vs Trump?

 

[highland145]

57

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Makes sense to me. America was founded based on not wanting to be governed by the person governing the colonies, without representation, etc. I think it is completely reasonable for Cali to feel this way, granted Trump hasn't really done anything policy-wise yet.

I dont understand the infatuation with forcing a group of people to be governed by someone they dont want to be governed by in most reasonable cases. Even in Canada, we have this conversation with QC every now and then. I don't see what the big deal is. They don't want to be here. Let them go.

A lot of people would define that as justice.

That is just fucking retarded. California was represented. Their electoral votes counted the proportional amount given their population. They are represented in congress. They have two senators just like every other state and they have 53 congressman in the House, more than anyone else. So what right do they have to feel slighted? Their candidate lost, that's how democracy works. What they're doing is throwing the equivalent of a 5 year olds hissy fit, they want to take their ball and go home because they didn't get their way. Wonder what they would have said if Texas wanted to secede in 2012 because Texans didn't want Obama? It would probably be something like "nanner nanner, you lost, grow up."

Hey California? Nanner nanner! You lost, grow up.

 

[Perknose]

CNN is projecting Trump to win Popular vote now too.

Nope, not according to their ongoing tally. And, also nope, here it's the headline of their story. In fact, as of right now they have her with 300,000 more votes than Trump.

Saaaay, are you one of those low information voters?

 

[cbrunny]

That is just fucking retarded. California was represented. Their electoral votes counted the proportional amount given their population. They are represented in congress. They have two senators just like every other state and they have 53 congressman in the House, more than anyone else. So what right do they have to feel slighted? Their candidate lost, that's how democracy works. What they're doing is throwing the equivalent of a 5 year olds hissy fit, they want to take their ball and go home because they didn't get their way. Wonder what they would have said if Texas wanted to secede in 2012 because Texans didn't want Obama? It would probably be something like "nanner nanner, you lost, grow up."

Hey California? Nanner nanner! You lost, grow up.

you don't have to agree. makes no difference really. my point was less about California specifically and more about the legitimacy of a democratically elected government that people don't want.

for the record, i firmly believe that if texas wants to secede, they should.

 

[Ns1]

That is just fucking retarded. California was represented. Their electoral votes counted the proportional amount given their population. They are represented in congress. They have two senators just like every other state and they have 53 congressman in the House, more than anyone else. So what right do they have to feel slighted? Their candidate lost, that's how democracy works. What they're doing is throwing the equivalent of a 5 year olds hissy fit, they want to take their ball and go home because they didn't get their way. Wonder what they would have said if Texas wanted to secede in 2012 because Texans didn't want Obama? It would probably be something like "nanner nanner, you lost, grow up."

Hey California? Nanner nanner! You lost, grow up.

Nobody in CA is protesting against democracy, they're protesting against Trump. There is a difference.

And yes, we get that this is an emotional response that does nothing, but once again that just makes us realize how far off we are from the rest of the country.

 

[gus6464]

CA isn't going to secede. We at the west coast live in a totally different world. We are just going to wait for Trump to burn congress to the ground. I truly feel sorry though for all those people in the rust belt that voted for him and will end up with less than what they started with.

 

[dank69]

http://www.cnn.com/election/results/president

They are but I don't know how they're getting that.

Uh, I don't see anything there about Trump winning popular vote.

 

[SP33Demon]

Nope, not according to their ongoing tally. And, also nope, here it's the headline of their story. In fact, as of right now they have her with 300,000 more votes than Trump.

Saaaay, are you one of those low information voters?

Sad, that is all you have to cling to is the popular vote. The cities of this country will not dictate how the rural folk live, the sooner you get that through the brain the better. Better yet, next time actually visit and stump in Rust Belt states and get a feel for how badly people are hurting before you disparage their candidate (now Trump but used to be Obama who did shit for them).

 

[Chiropteran]

How the hell does CA, which elected Arnold as governator, have any ground to stand on to criticize Trump?

Action movie star okay, but businessman reality TV star not okay?

 

[vi edit]

So would it still be fair if awarded proportional electorates per state?
For example...California is 55 votes.

Clinton took 61%
Trump 33%
Johnson 3%
Stein 1.7%

Give Clinton 34 votes.
Trump 18
Johnson 2
Stein 1

Fair right?

The part that burns me is a state like Florida with 29 electorates coming down in Gores case...700 votes short out of 6,000,000 and the winner getting all 29. For me it takes some of the emphasis out of the heave swing state campaigning and lets candidates put more focus into underreached markets. It also ends some of the eventual butthurt and "firewall" nature of states blocking any progress. It also minimizes the wild impact third parties can have on a tight race.