CA to add $2.60 tax to cigarettes

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: broon

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
wtf are you talking about.

It's an outragous tax. I don't care if the people voted for it, it should not be in place.

We have plenty more outrageous laws on the books. and while we are talking about it our entire tax system is outrageous.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
This will cause a lot of smokers to wuit whicvh will result in less tax revenue that the State already recieves on the taxes they levy on cigarettes. How will the make up for this lost revenue?

And the kicker? The ones most likely to quit are the middle class and higher folks. Poorer folks have a much higher rate of smoking and a much lower success rate at quitting.

So this tax will disproportionately hurt the poor.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
its already established smoking is bad
taxes are already exorbitant on cigarettes

what do you really think raising it will accomplish?


its not governments place to legislate on this sht

If I were the government, I would have banned cigarettes altogether by now. Its an extremely addictive substance.

Yeah, that worked oh so well for alcohol and the War On Drugs is quite the success story.

 

[Platypus]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
its already established smoking is bad
taxes are already exorbitant on cigarettes

what do you really think raising it will accomplish?


its not governments place to legislate on this sht

If I were the government, I would have banned cigarettes altogether by now. Its an extremely addictive substance.

What business does the government have in telling you what you can do with your own body?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Amused
Get ready for black market cigarette dealing criminals... and the high crime that goes along with them.

A high tax like this is (nearly) effectively a ban. And bans on things like this only enrich one crowd: Organized crime.

this tax only impacts the poor. The last thing poor people need to be spending ther emoney on is ciggarettes.

The last thing you, or anyone else needs to be doing is telling others what to do with their own money. MYOB.

And yes, it will hurt the poor. But if you think this will stop them from smoking you're only fooling yourself. Drugs are outright banned, yet are everywhere in poor communities.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Amused
Get ready for black market cigarette dealing criminals... and the high crime that goes along with them.

A high tax like this is (nearly) effectively a ban. And bans on things like this only enrich one crowd: Organized crime.

this tax only impacts the poor. The last thing poor people need to be spending ther emoney on is ciggarettes.

The last thing you, or anyone else needs to be doing is telling others what to do with their own money. MYOB.

And yes, it will hurt the poor. But if you think this will stop them from smoking you're only fooling yourself. Drugs are outright banned, yet are everywhere in poor communities.

Unfortunately the MYOB stance is not the one our government takes on anything. They are just being consistent here. And I dont really consider there welfare checks "there own money'

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Amused
Get ready for black market cigarette dealing criminals... and the high crime that goes along with them.

A high tax like this is (nearly) effectively a ban. And bans on things like this only enrich one crowd: Organized crime.

this tax only impacts the poor. The last thing poor people need to be spending ther emoney on is ciggarettes.

The last thing you, or anyone else needs to be doing is telling others what to do with their own money. MYOB.

And yes, it will hurt the poor. But if you think this will stop them from smoking you're only fooling yourself. Drugs are outright banned, yet are everywhere in poor communities.

Unfortunately the MYOB stance is not the one our government takes on anything. They are just being consistent here. And I dont really consider there welfare checks "there own money'

You're sidestepping the issue.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Amused
Get ready for black market cigarette dealing criminals... and the high crime that goes along with them.

A high tax like this is (nearly) effectively a ban. And bans on things like this only enrich one crowd: Organized crime.

this tax only impacts the poor. The last thing poor people need to be spending ther emoney on is ciggarettes.

The last thing you, or anyone else needs to be doing is telling others what to do with their own money. MYOB.

And yes, it will hurt the poor. But if you think this will stop them from smoking you're only fooling yourself. Drugs are outright banned, yet are everywhere in poor communities.

Unfortunately the MYOB stance is not the one our government takes on anything. They are just being consistent here. And I dont really consider there welfare checks "there own money'

Ah yes, because all poor people are on welfare.

At any rate, your post only goes to show how dangerous socialism is to freedom.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Amused
Get ready for black market cigarette dealing criminals... and the high crime that goes along with them.

A high tax like this is (nearly) effectively a ban. And bans on things like this only enrich one crowd: Organized crime.

this tax only impacts the poor. The last thing poor people need to be spending ther emoney on is ciggarettes.

The last thing you, or anyone else needs to be doing is telling others what to do with their own money. MYOB.

And yes, it will hurt the poor. But if you think this will stop them from smoking you're only fooling yourself. Drugs are outright banned, yet are everywhere in poor communities.

Unfortunately the MYOB stance is not the one our government takes on anything. They are just being consistent here. And I dont really consider there welfare checks "there own money'

Ah yes, because all poor people are on welfare.

At any rate, your post only goes to show how dangerous socialism is to freedom.

I am not a socialist nor do I really believe in this tax or the banning of any drugs. I think they should all be readily available for very cheap and if you want to waste your life away goto the "red light district" and be with the other degenerates. Our govt. is currently exponetially bigger than it was ever intended to be and needs a complete overhaul. it will never happen though its only going to get worse so .......deal with it.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
This will cause a lot of smokers to wuit whicvh will result in less tax revenue that the State already recieves on the taxes they levy on cigarettes. How will the make up for this lost revenue?

Yep, the whole concept of a "sin tax" is just stupid. I saw a cute bumper sticker a few years ago that said "If I quit smoking, who is going to pay to educate your fvckin brat"

It's kind of sad that in many states the majority of state tax revenues come from cigs, alcohol, & lottery/gaming.

I think we need to tax the fat(bassed on fat%), and the stupid(based on IQ or lack of), and of course higher taxes for each child you have

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
This will cause a lot of smokers to wuit whicvh will result in less tax revenue that the State already recieves on the taxes they levy on cigarettes. How will the make up for this lost revenue?

Yep, the whole concept of a "sin tax" is just stupid. I saw a cute bumper sticker a few years ago that said "If I quit smoking, who is going to pay to educate your fvckin brat"

It's kind of sad that in many states the majority of state tax revenues come from cigs, alcohol, & lottery/gaming.

I think we need to tax the fat(bassed on fat%), and the stupid(based on IQ or lack of), and of course higher taxes for each child you have

There would be plenty of tax money to go around if we cut off all these rediculous pet programs. Public transportation, fire/police/medical response.....schools. That is about the total extent the government should have everything else is money vacuum.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Now to add $2.60 tax to Taco Bell, McDonalds, etc.. fatty foods! :evil:

I'd actually support that ... anything over 200% d/v of saturated fat

We should also add high taxes to any cars that have over a certain number of horsepower that may lead to speeding and resulting accidents. All those accidents costs the rest of us tons of money.

That tax already exists, and it's expensive.

I know, but I say we drop the bar to about say....100HP. I mean anything over could lead to an accident.

 

[jadinolf]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Spikesoldier
only in california...

the only state that i refuse to live in.

That's good news for Californians, they already have enough assholes from other states living there now!

:thumbsup:

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
its already established smoking is bad
taxes are already exorbitant on cigarettes

what do you really think raising it will accomplish?


its not governments place to legislate on this sht

The gov gets more money from people who smoke, that's what it accomplishes.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
its already established smoking is bad
taxes are already exorbitant on cigarettes

what do you really think raising it will accomplish?


its not governments place to legislate on this sht

The gov gets more money from people who smoke, that's what it accomplishes.

Don't be too sure about that.

 

[JS80]

In other news, intarweb orders for cigarettes soars.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: JS80
In other news, intarweb orders for cigarettes soars.

They're probably going to try to do the same thing NYS did. Going after online internet sellers and/or banning online sale of cigs completely.

Funny how they persure lost tax revenue for cigs so vigorously, yet I'm sure lost tax revenue on techonology products probably amounts to many times more than that of cigs.

 

[foghorn67]

We are one step closer to a socialist's dream of a utopian crapfest where only the socially elite can take enjoy the pleasures of life.
I bet the lawmakers smoke themselves. Probably good cigars, or imported cigarretes like Dunhills, Indonesion cloves, etc.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
its already established smoking is bad
taxes are already exorbitant on cigarettes

what do you really think raising it will accomplish?


its not governments place to legislate on this sht

The gov gets more money from people who smoke, that's what it accomplishes.

SO where are they going to get the revenue when people quit because of this tax? Oh that's right, from you and the others by raising taxes on something else.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
its already established smoking is bad
taxes are already exorbitant on cigarettes

what do you really think raising it will accomplish?


its not governments place to legislate on this sht

The gov gets more money from people who smoke, that's what it accomplishes.

SO where are they going to get the revenue when people quit because of this tax? Oh that's right, from you and the others by raising taxes on something else.

They won't quit (at least not all of them)...they'll just find other ways to buy the smokes and feed their habit.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
its already established smoking is bad
taxes are already exorbitant on cigarettes

what do you really think raising it will accomplish?


its not governments place to legislate on this sht

The gov gets more money from people who smoke, that's what it accomplishes.

SO where are they going to get the revenue when people quit because of this tax? Oh that's right, from you and the others by raising taxes on something else.

They won't quit (at least not all of them)...they'll just find other ways to buy the smokes and feed their habit.

Correct.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: JS80
In other news, intarweb orders for cigarettes soars.

They're probably going to try to do the same thing NYS did. Going after online internet sellers and/or banning online sale of cigs completely.

Funny how they persure lost tax revenue for cigs so vigorously, yet I'm sure lost tax revenue on techonology products probably amounts to many times more than that of cigs.

After internet sales are banned:

In other news, intarweb orders for cigarettes from international sources soar. Unfortunately, because the vendors are overseas, the government has no recourse in reclaiming those taxes.

 

[Ausm]

Legalize then tax marijuana and prostitution= National debt paid off in 6 months

Ausm

 

[mcvickj]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: preslove
I wonder how long it will take until increasing taxation of tobacco causes a black market to develop. It would be interesting from a policy point of view.

Mail-order/out-of-state purchasing. It's that simple.

When it happened in NY, they obtained records from companies that shipped cigs to NYS. They then went back and charge all the people taxes they should've paid.

Funny how NYS will go after smokers for not paying use tax, but they leave so many other groups alone.

Michigan did the same thing a few months back. No idea if they were successful in collecting. Several people the news crews talked to had a bill for several thousand dollars.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
You are overlooking the point that this was voted on by the people. The majority of people WANTED the tax. If the majority of people didn't want the tax it would not have passed.

So... all this proves is that democracy, when unhindered by the rule of law, can be just as tyranical as any other form of government. I have a nickname for it even. I call it "screw your neighbor" politics. Fsck the poor! Daddy Gubment knows best! Now the government profits off poor tobacco addicts... disgusting.

:roll: