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CA Prop 19 may have failed, but CA Prop 25 passed!

her209

No Lifer
http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.p...ote_for_Legislature_to_Pass_the_Budget_(2010)

California Proposition 25, the Majority Vote for the Legislature to Pass the Budget Act, was on the November 2, 2010 ballot in California as an initiated constitutional amendment, where it was approved.

Proposition 25 ends the previous requirement in the state that two-thirds of the members of the California State Legislature had to vote in favor of the state's budget in order for the budget to be enacted. Proposition 25 also requires state legislators to forfeit their pay in years where they have failed to pass a budget in a timely fashion.
I didn't see any ads ran in favor of Prop 25 - only ads against Prop 25. Very surprised this passed.
 
Were still screwed thanks to 30+ years of direct democracy.

California is a shining example of what happens when you give too much control to voters.
 
The proposition against fees passed! So what are you saying??
Prop 23 - Failed (Suspend Global Warming Act of 2006)
http://www.ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/California_Proposition_23_(2010)

Prop 24 - Failed (Repeal corporate tax breaks)
http://www.ballotpedia.org/wiki/ind...ion_24,_Repeal_of_Corporate_Tax_Breaks_(2010)

Prop 26 - Passed (2/3 majority to raise fees)
http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.p...jority_Vote_to_Pass_New_Taxes_and_Fees_(2010)

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California is so fucked. I hate living here.

I wouldn't be surprised if we had a recall next year when the legislature STILL fails to pass a budget on time, and when the budget does come out it's fucked anyway.
 
I was surprised this passed - and glad, I thought it was the most important ballot initiative.

Now, the part of decades of decline caused by irresponsible and radical Republicans getting a minority veto (sound familiar?) forcing Dems not to pass budgets without screwing them up for the radicals are over. Dems can once again pass a reasonable budget as the majority want them too.

It's very surprising it passed, as the national mood and other votes were anti-government and for gridlock.

Overly restrictive on fees passed. I was against the redistricting commission for two reasons, one is that it unfairly reduces California's influence while Republican states still gerrymander for increased leverage, and also because in this state with IIRC 31% registered Republicans, it give 50% of the commission seats to Republicans, rather than a number representative of their percent of voters. It passed too.

Brown was also a surprise, he was very different than what the mood said voters wanted, and i saw a report today saying Whitman outspent him 14 to 1.

That was a real exception to the way money tends to influence voters.

I'm very pleased prop 25 passed, and look forward to far better budgets now.

It doesn't really solve the economic issues, but it'll adjust the ridiculous priorities 2/3 forced.

I wasn't surprised Prop 19 did not pass, CA has a large minority for it, but voters seem to start off a lot more 'cutting edge' early on and back off when they vote.

Same thing happened with gay marriage (from strong support to a narrow loss after millions in ads and organizing the campaign to end it).

We'll see how the budget looks next year; the timing was bad as far as Dems getting to do the budget just in the middle of a state funding crisis.

I was very disappointed in some of the choices this year, for example, the $800 million cut from prisoner medical care. Bread, water, and no medical care seems acceptable.

Californians did unfortunately show they're able to be suckers for the corporate agenda, not passing prop 24 to repeal $1.3 billion in corporate tax cuts, which, cut and paste:

* Most California businesses don't benefit from the tax break that Prop 24 aims to repeal: "Prop. 24 will end tax loopholes that unfairly benefit less than 2% of California’s businesses that are the wealthiest, multi-state corporations. 98% of California’s businesses, especially small businesses, would get virtually no benefit from the tax breaks."[7]

* The California state budget needs the money that these corporations will be able to keep if the tax breaks stay in place, in order to fund important services: "Prop. 24 will make big corporations pay their fair share and put $1.7 billion back into the treasury for our students, classrooms, police and fire services and health care we really need."[7][8]

* If corporations don't pay these taxes, then the tax burden to pay for California's state government spending on important services will fall more heavily on individual taxpayers: "These unfair corporate tax loopholes put an even bigger burden on the average individual taxpayer. At the same time the Legislature gave corporations $1.7 billion in tax breaks every year, they RAISED $18 billion in taxes on people like you."[7]

* There's a fairness issue at stake and the corporations who will receive the tax benefit cannot be trusted: "Corporations that are paying to defeat Prop. 24 and keep these loopholes are paying their CEOs over $8.5 billion, and made over $65 billion in profits last year, while at the same time laying off over 100,000 workers."
 
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Excellent move. No longer will gridlock and control by a vehement minority the method of "governing" California . If this was done a decade ago you would be in a lot better shape than you are now. It's a great first step towards reversing the three decades of decline that rule initiated.
 
California is so fucked. I hate living here.

I wouldn't be surprised if we had a recall next year when the legislature STILL fails to pass a budget on time, and when the budget does come out it's fucked anyway.

Oh, they'll pass it on time, the prop also decks them $50K of pay for each day the budget is late.
 
The proposition against "fees" did pass. That doesn't mean they are not going to increase fees.


Your have tendencies to be idiotic..plain and simple......
Sure they can still increase fees, but it will be a lot harder.

You have trouble facing reality.....you open your mouth and insert foot before realizing your being owned!!
 
Agreed. Plus with Governor Moonbeam back in office, this is sure to send California even bigger fiscal disaster.
Wasn't he a pretty decent mayor though? I'm a LONG way from California and I remember him being a disaster as a governor, but seems like I also remember him being reasonably fiscally responsible as a mayor.
 
So now the 6 billion dollar question is, where do we get the money? A largely democrat legislature and a democrat Governor in a mostly democrat state doesn't bode well for controlled spending. I'm predicting an attack on prop 13 and new taxes on business. The state needs a boatload of cash, and there is only one place to get it.
 
Agreed. Plus with Governor Moonbeam back in office, this is sure to send California even bigger fiscal disaster.

who really was the lesser of two evils? meg whitman is not capable ala arnie, and brown is an idiot with no fiscal sense whatsoever. i guess we could write in jon stewart? 😀
 
California Proposition 26, or the Supermajority Vote to Pass New Taxes and Fees Act, was on the November 2, 2010 ballot in California as an initiated constitutional amendment, where it was approved.[1]

Proposition 26 requires a two-thirds supermajority vote in the California State Legislature to pass many fees, levies, charges and tax revenue allocations that under the state's previous rules could be enacted by a simple majority vote.[2] Supporters of Proposition 26 called it the Stop Hidden Taxes initiative, saying that fees, levies, and so on imposed by the California government amount to taxes, and should therefore require the same supermajority vote required to enact income or sales tax increases.

According to Allen Zaremberg, president of the California Chamber of Commerce, "The Stop Hidden Taxes initiative will prohibit politicians from using a loophole to raise even more taxes by disguising them as fees. Right now, elected officials at the state and local level pass higher taxes by labeling taxes as “fees” so they can pass or increase them with a 50% vote instead of the two-thirds required by law – and in the case of many local taxes, enact them without a public vote. We need the Stop Hidden Taxes initiative to close this loophole. Higher taxes and fees make it more difficult for businesses to stay in California – the very businesses that employ Californians, create jobs and generate revenue for our state. Increasing employment and growing the economy are crucial to California’s recovery."[3]

Proposition 26 is somewhat similar to Proposition 37 (2000), which was narrowly defeated.
 
Wasn't he a pretty decent mayor though? I'm a LONG way from California and I remember him being a disaster as a governor, but seems like I also remember him being reasonably fiscally responsible as a mayor.

Didn't he balance the budget when he was Gov?
 
Didn't he balance the budget when he was Gov?

I thought he left a huge deficit? I also thought he was the one that allowed state workers to unionize, and put the retirement rules in place that are now breaking us? Obviously it wasn't just Brown that did all that, but he didn't veto any of it.
 
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