CA Dog Mauling Trial - Guilty on all 5 counts (incl. murder!)

[777joee]

Well, well,well this renews my faith in the justice system and the fact that the good people that sit on jurys realy do make correct choices from time to time.







I just wish that the punnishment for the crime would be to let them be mauled by dogs as well. Now that would indede be justice.


Just my $.02

 

[Vic]

Fausto1, you are probably right.
I have met people who try to raise "mean" dogs and I have never agreed with it. IMHO, dogs should be well-trained but never "mean." I have seen championship Rottweilers who could potentially kill, but would never do so because (seriously!) these animals would not take a sh!t unless their master allowed it. When it comes to dogs, "mean" is often just another way of saying poorly-trained.
Also, the fact that these animals had obviously attacked people before and had not been destroyed is a big concern for me.
Anyway, I was just a little distressed by the fact that some people seemed to feel that the convicted's political views were enough to justify the sentence and so I decided to play the Devil's Advocate. I'm done now.

 

[Pocatello]

Bah, we should turn those dogs on the owners, see how they like it.

 

[Fausto]

<< Anyway, I was just a little distressed by the fact that some people seemed to feel that the convicted's political views were enough to justify the sentence and so I decided to play the Devil's Advocate. I'm done now. >>


Well, in all honesty, their political views and attitude in general probably did have some bearing on the outcome of the case (Knoeller was interviewed shortly afterwards, and was the most cold, unrepentant biotch ever.....it was creepy). This seeming lack of concern along with the training of the dogs were what essentially did them in. The thing about dogs is: you can train any dog to be mean...hell, there were miniature dachshunds I couldn't get my hands on when I was a vet tech. It's just that some breeds have been bred to be agressive already (in this case Canary Island dogs)....then you cross that with a mastiff to add size (now you have a Presa Canario....the breed that killed the woman)....and throw in training to make it a killer. It's one thing to have a "mean" dog, but it's another thing entirely to intentionally create one.

For the record, I am a "dog person" and have three of them.😀

Fausto

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

<< Murder requires intent. 2nd degree murder usually means that you had not planned on killing, but had planned on committing another crime that then led to the killing. For example, if one robs a bank and ends up shooting the guard, that is 2nd degree murder.
Gross negligence is all over this case, but I still haven't seen any intent. >>



Wrong - I think you are confused as to the different levels of homicide. The scenario you describe with the bank would be first-degree murder in every American jurisdiction - whenever someone dies during the commission of a felony it is presumed to be first-degree (aka "felony murder").

The second-degree murder charge here was based on what the law calls a "depraved indifference to human life" (aka "depraved heart"). In this instance the allegation was that the dog owners' negligence was so gross that standing by and permitting the dog to attack is punishable as murder.

 

[SCSIfreek]

Those dogs were trained to kill, if you read the story completely. Criminals Raised those dogs to protect their drug operation and the couple adopted the dogs in their apartment. <-----How the hell people kept their dogs in a SF apartment and the rental manager didnt kick them out? but there were 30 complaints regarding their dogs and no one did a thing. :|

--scsi

 

[Dragnov]

Good. That b1tch didn't do sh1t before this event even though she knew they were dangerous... and guess what, she didn't do sh1t when it was happening?! Big surprise there huh? Lock her up for life please.