CA Banning 'Personal Belief' Exemptions for Vaccinations

[ivwshane]

Gub'mint libruuls gub'mint limousine libruls gub'mint gub'mint.

Vincent Foster, DeathPanels, Benghazi.

Gub'mint.

If the left had an equivalent to the stupidity and the nutterness of the right, those people would be it.

 

[MongGrel]

Perfect.

I don't have to vaccinate AND i get them out of government indoctrination? Say it aint so!

I honestly like that as it's like daddy state is giving people permission (as if they needed it anyways) to truly educate their children (and not school them).

However what about those who don't have the ability to do that due to work or other considerations? Should they stop paying the taxes that support those schools that their child is no longer allowed to attend?

I have no kids and I pay taxes for other people kids.

Piss off.

 

[nickqt]

If the left had an equivalent to the stupidity and the nutterness of the right, those people would be it.

The difference, of course, is that the left is embarrassed by our nuts, and they have no power...opposite to the right, where the nuts are the f-ing base.

 

[NoStateofMind]

I have no kids and I pay taxes for other people kids.

Piss off.

So this is something you want to pay? Ok thats your choice. How about them? Do they get a choice?

 

[MongGrel]

So this is something you want to pay? Ok thats your choice. How about them? Do they get a choice?

You mean taxes?

No I'd rather not for something I do not use, but it's a part of society.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Who's this guy science?

You on the other hand think you know better and are willing to torture those who do not comply with your way of life.

#1 you are a raging moron.

#2 speaking of torture, you whine over ostracizing the paranoid raging morons, but don't even think about the reemergence of diseases, due to the acts of raging morons, which have sickened and harmed children.

So, #3, you are a piece of garbage as well. You expect society to sit back and let buffoons such as yourself decide how it should function? Or, more like not function. Why? Because no one (and you mean NO ONE) tells you what to do?

Hey, that's great. Really, I am proud you figured out how to function with no reliance on other human beings. Fantastic. Now, head off into the woods and leave us be. Link up with like "minded" folks and start your own society. It would far easier to start your own, than change the minds of the rest of the planet.

You want to be part of modern society, but YOUR version of modern society - you do realize that, right? So, you are pretty much forcing and demanding an authoritarian existence; your own.

🙂

 

[CitizenKain]

Perfect.

I don't have to vaccinate AND i get them out of government indoctrination? Say it aint so!

I honestly like that as it's like daddy state is giving people permission (as if they needed it anyways) to truly educate their children (and not school them).

However what about those who don't have the ability to do that due to work or other considerations? Should they stop paying the taxes that support those schools that their child is no longer allowed to attend?

I guess they better vaccinate their brood then. Or give them up for adoption, since they obviously don't love their children and want them to suffer.

 

[DCal430]

Wow just learned that kids with so called learning disabilities such as ADHD are EXEMPT from the new vaccine law. Ridiculous.

 

[Brainonska511]

Wow just learned that kids with so called learning disabilities such as ADHD are EXEMPT from the new vaccine law. Ridiculous.

Anything to back this assertion up? Because the text of law seems to indicate otherwise:
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160SB277

120370.

(a) If the parent or guardian files with the governing authority a written statement by a licensed physician to the effect that the physical condition of the child is such, or medical circumstances relating to the child are such, that immunization is not considered safe, indicating the specific nature and probable duration of the medical condition or circumstances, including, but not limited to, family medical history, for which the physician does not recommend immunization, that child shall be exempt from the requirements of Chapter 1 (commencing with Section 120325, but excluding Section 120380) and Sections 120400, 120405, 120410, and 120415 to the extent indicated by the physician’s statement.
(b) If there is good cause to believe that a child has been exposed to a disease listed in subdivision (b) of Section 120335 and his or her documentary proof of immunization status does not show proof of immunization against that disease, that child may be temporarily excluded from the school or institution until the local health officer is satisfied that the child is no longer at risk of developing or transmitting the disease.

I can't think of anyone classifying ADHD as a physical ailment which would make vaccination unsafe.

 

[DCal430]

Anything to back this assertion up? Because the text of law seems to indicate otherwise:
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160SB277


I can't think of anyone classifying ADHD as a physical ailment which would make vaccination unsafe.

I have to find the text but children with IEP cannot be denied access to education due to lack of vaccine. Any child with ADHD would qualify for an IEP.

 

[NoStateofMind]

You mean taxes?

No I'd rather not for something I do not use, but it's a part of society.

Is it? Does the State have the "Right" to make you pay for what you do not use? How'd this "Right" come into being? You or I cannot take from our neighbor but it's somehow okay when it's a mass of people clamoring for your money.

BTW, Society is not a synonym for government.

 

[Brainonska511]

Is it? Does the State have the "Right" to make you pay for what you do not use? How'd this "Right" come into being? You or I cannot take from our neighbor but it's somehow okay when it's a mass of people clamoring for your money.

BTW, Society is not a synonym for government.

The social contract gives the government the authority. If you don't like it, you're free to leave.

 

[NoStateofMind]

#1 you are a raging moron.

^^
This is what happens when you lose an argument haha You need something to punch? 😀

#2 speaking of torture, you whine over ostracizing the paranoid raging morons, but don't even think about the reemergence of diseases, due to the acts of raging morons, which have sickened and harmed children.

You don't even see them as people so how could you give a damn? These responses are really telling.

As to your claim that by not vaccinating their children they are harming them I'd say that's what the law is for. Don't you like the rule of law?

So, #3, you are a piece of garbage as well. You expect society to sit back and let buffoons such as yourself decide how it should function? Or, more like not function. Why? Because no one (and you mean NO ONE) tells you what to do?

Its not your fault that your ability to reason has been neutered. Public schooling is to blame for that one but that's another topic altogether. That's not intended to be an insult but rather a fact of the matter.

You mean government not society. You have this twisted and its screwing with your logic. Society (if we are truly talking about that) functions without coercive force and functions quite well until a band of robbers, DBA government, come in and start mucking everything up.

For the most part yes, no one can tell me (or you) what to do as long as you do not commit force or fraud on another. This is where you say "well by not giving a vaccine you are harming the child". Not so fast. First of all it is a scientific fact that some are adversely affected by the vaccine. No matter how small, that is a reality. Do you accept responsibility for harming those children? If not, why not? How are you exempt from blame if you don't allow that same exemption to the parent? Next you'd have to prove that damage was done to that child, in court.

You have your work cut out for you in this area. 😉

Hey, that's great. Really, I am proud you figured out how to function with no reliance on other human beings. Fantastic. Now, head off into the woods and leave us be. Link up with like "minded" folks and start your own society. It would far easier to start your own, than change the minds of the rest of the planet.

So because I don't want you or anyone else to be forced to pay for whomever's whims I should be subject to substandard living? How nice of you. Where is your humanity?

You want to be part of modern society, but YOUR version of modern society - you do realize that, right? So, you are pretty much forcing and demanding an authoritarian existence; your own.

🙂

Nice try? You really aught to think about this a bit more before coming to a conclusion. That's what I see most of you do, you dismiss out of hand without thought. Which kind of tells me a lot about how we ended up like we are.

Yeah I will live how I see fit and I'll do that without wishing/causing you (anyone) harm.

 

[NoStateofMind]

The social contract gives the government the authority. If you don't like it, you're free to leave.

Can I see this "social contract"? In what other business is there a grandfathered "social contract"? That's right, the only time this is brought up is when it deals with government. All contracts have terms which are agreed to. If that contract is broken then it is/can be annulled. That means there must be a document (which we know as the Constitution) that tells us what the terms are and those who have agreed to it. Now, I am no historian by any means but I'm pretty sure my signature wasn't on the Constitution. Therefore I have not agreed to its terms and are not subject to its contract.

I am also free to stay, which I intend to do. 🙂

 

[Brainonska511]

Can I see this "social contract"? In what other business is there a grandfathered "social contract"? That's right, the only time this is brought up is when it deals with government. All contracts have terms which are agreed to. If that contract is broken then it is/can be annulled. That means there must be a document (which we know as the Constitution) that tells us what the terms are and those who have agreed to it. Now, I am no historian by any means but I'm pretty sure my signature wasn't on the Constitution. Therefore I have not agreed to its terms and are not subject to its contract.

I am also free to stay, which I intend to do. 🙂

I recommend you pick up a copy of the Social Contract by Rousseau. It's not necessary for every individual to "sign".

 

[NoStateofMind]

I guess they better vaccinate their brood then. Or give them up for adoption, since they obviously don't love their children and want them to suffer.

Can you prove with 100% certainty that not vaccinating John's son will cause suffering? We already know the vaccine can and does cause harm to some children so let's not pretend that vaccines are without blemishes.

 

[NoStateofMind]

I recommend you pick up a copy of the Social Contract by Rousseau. It's not necessary for every individual to "sign".

Yes the State man himself, the lauded and glorious collectivist who comes to the rescue when there is no other explanation.

I recommend you read No Treason - The Constitution of No Authority by Lysander Spooner. A more modern perspective on law from an actual lawyer. And yes, a signature is required 😉

 

[sportage]

Well it was Palin and Bachmann that started the crazy clown talk about vaccinations.
It is not wise to listen to a nut job like these two schmucks in the first place.
How can one explain idiocy?

 

[abj13]

Can you prove with 100% certainty that not vaccinating John's son will cause suffering? We already know the vaccine can and does cause harm to some children so let's not pretend that vaccines are without blemishes.

The risk of complications from acute measles infection include:
~1:10 risk of gastroenteritis and dehydration
1:10 risk of acute otitis media
~1:20 risk of bacterial pneumonia
1:1000 risk of encephalitis
1:1000 risk of ADEM
8:100,000-1,000,000 risk of SSPE, an irreversible neurological disease that results in death.

And to this day, measles is still one of the leading causes of death by an infectious disease.

So what are these "sufferings" causes by the vaccine based on your internet degree in infectious diseases? And what is the incidence rate of those complication?

(Here's a hint, the complication rate pales in comparison to the complications of acute measles infection...)

 

[NoStateofMind]

The risk of complications from acute measles infection include:
~1:10 risk of gastroenteritis and dehydration
1:10 risk of acute otitis media
~1:20 risk of bacterial pneumonia
1:1000 risk of encephalitis
1:1000 risk of ADEM
8:100,000-1,000,000 risk of SSPE, an irreversible neurological disease that results in death.

And to this day, measles is still one of the leading causes of death by an infectious disease.

So what are these "sufferings" causes by the vaccine based on your internet degree in infectious diseases? And what is the incidence rate of those complication?

(Here's a hint, the complication rate pales in comparison to the complications of acute measles infection...)

First, understand that I am in no way a match for your intelligence. It's your fish tank, I'm just swimming in it.

Are you trying to say that no one experiences side effects from these vaccines?

It seems that you've replaced people with percentages and that in turn has removed your ability to see clearly. Replacing people with numbers can be vary dangerous IMO. While it may help you weigh a decision, it does not factor in the Rights of the individual. Therefore these ratio's should be given to the prospective parent/vaccine recipient for their consideration. It is their life after all.

So unless you are going to claim that vaccines have no side effects then there's an effective stalemate. Not taking a vaccine puts you at risk disease/infection and taking one can also lead to bad reactions/complications. Now if you are of the many who claim the "right" to force others to take these vaccines, would you also take the responsibility of those complications that do arise?

 

[abj13]

First, understand that I am in no way a match for your intelligence. It's your fish tank, I'm just swimming in it.

Are you trying to say that no one experiences side effects from these vaccines?

It seems that you've replaced people with percentages and that in turn has removed your ability to see clearly. Replacing people with numbers can be vary dangerous IMO. While it may help you weigh a decision, it does not factor in the Rights of the individual. Therefore these ratio's should be given to the prospective parent/vaccine recipient for their consideration. It is their life after all.

So unless you are going to claim that vaccines have no side effects then there's an effective stalemate. Not taking a vaccine puts you at risk disease/infection and taking one can also lead to bad reactions/complications. Now if you are of the many who claim the "right" to force others to take these vaccines, would you also take the responsibility of those complications that do arise?

What a weak attempt to dance around the issue. Nobody has ever said vaccines do not come with risk. However, the benefits of preventing an infection GREATLY outweigh the risks of vaccination.. Nothing in medicine comes without any kind of risk. This risk/benefit ratio is constantly weighed, and several decades worth of safety and enhanced health from vaccination has placed no doubt that vaccination is one of the greatest advances in human health.

And what the data has told us is that the risks from vaccination are rare, and are nowhere near the risk of infection from pathogens like measles. This is exactly why I asked you to produce what are the risks of measles vaccination, and how do those risks compare to the complications of the infection. Your silence speaks exactly why your vague argument holds no water, because it reflects the risk/benefit ratio of vaccination. The complications are rare, and the US government has already set-up "the responsibility of those complications that arise." I suggest you read about the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act.

 

[Murloc]

this is good enough as what matters is herd immunity, forcing anyone who wants to use public schools to vaccine will hopefully increase the % enough.

Or at least allow people the peace of mind that there will be herd immunity in public school.

 

[sandorski]

Don't be too hard on NSoM. He has perfected the delusion of not being one of us.

 

[NoStateofMind]

What a weak attempt to dance around the issue. Nobody has ever said vaccines do not come with risk. However, the benefits of preventing an infection GREATLY outweigh the risks of vaccination.. Nothing in medicine comes without any kind of risk. This risk/benefit ratio is constantly weighed, and several decades worth of safety and enhanced health from vaccination has placed no doubt that vaccination is one of the greatest advances in human health.

I'm sure it seems like dancing to you. Being that you seem to think that percentages should dictate human life. However, you completely missed the point. I did not argue whether one was greater than the other (as you are), merely that they both pose risks. It is not your right to tell people what they should and shouldn't do. That's their job because they have to live their life, not you.

And what the data has told us is that the risks from vaccination are rare, and are nowhere near the risk of infection from pathogens like measles. This is exactly why I asked you to produce what are the risks of measles vaccination, and how do those risks compare to the complications of the infection. Your silence speaks exactly why your vague argument holds no water, because it reflects the risk/benefit ratio of vaccination. The complications are rare, and the US government has already set-up "the responsibility of those complications that arise." I suggest you read about the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act.

That's good info to present to a prospective patient which I encourage. Information can help make a decision, it just shouldn't be the sole reason.

There's no interest, none whatsoever, of how your government has decided to deal with the consequences of the complications that arise. I asked you because what most try to do is shift blame and disassociate themselves from the consequences that may follow.

Are you in support of forced vaccinations? If so, how would you feel if after administering this wonder drug, that you advocated be forced upon them, causes a child to die?

 

[NoStateofMind]

Don't be too hard on NSoM. He has perfected the delusion of not being one of us.

You're right, I am not a part of the collective Borg.