hey.. doing 1.7 right now.. still exits after round3 in 3dmark2000
im hesitating to go higher...
im hesitating to go higher...
I find 3DMark 2000 kind of flaky anyway. If you've got decent cooling, then going higher voltage may be worth the risk. As I show in my previous post, I've got my C533A at 897 @ 1.85v with a Golden Orb and open case, and it stays around 37C. I couldn't get it to complete 3DMark 2000 @ 897 either until I changed slotkets. At 825/1.65v it completes it with either the Abit or MSI slotket.
Tough call. Could well be the slotket or the voltage. If you really don't want to go higher then 1.7v then yeah, try a different slotket. From my experience I'd see if you can get a MSI.
Good luck.
Tough call. Could well be the slotket or the voltage. If you really don't want to go higher then 1.7v then yeah, try a different slotket. From my experience I'd see if you can get a MSI.
Good luck.
Thx.. i think ill go with the MSI ..
it bites, but they dont sell orb's in denmark...yet anyway..
need some better cooling. 950 would rule.
Oh yea, win2k have an uptime of 3-4 days now, idleing, Java compiling and quaking...
it bites, but they dont sell orb's in denmark...yet anyway..
need some better cooling. 950 would rule.
Oh yea, win2k have an uptime of 3-4 days now, idleing, Java compiling and quaking...
You basically flash the BIOS as you normally would. Reboot and let the BIOS recognize the CPU. Then set the default voltage to "1.7", or whatever is highest. Now flash the BIOS again the same way you did the first time and it should give you something like 1.4v (I think) up to 2.1v.
I don't rememnber all the exact parameters for the BIOS flash program command line, so you may need to do a little more research before trying this. It's on Tom's Hardware somewhere if I remember correctly. Setting the voltage via jumpers on the slotket probably won't work.
I don't rememnber all the exact parameters for the BIOS flash program command line, so you may need to do a little more research before trying this. It's on Tom's Hardware somewhere if I remember correctly. Setting the voltage via jumpers on the slotket probably won't work.
I'm surprised that nobody here seems to have an IWill Slocket II. I haven't been able to test mine out with a fc-pga processor yet (maybe soon
) but here's something interesting...
I have a celeron 400 with the stock heatsink and fan. In the Slocket II it's stable to 500@2.0v but not at 540 even at 2.2V. The only way I can get it stable at 540 in the slocket II is by turning off the L2 cache.
So, it's an L2 cache limitation you say?
Well, I also have a generic non-fcpga slocket and it runs ALMOST stable at 540 (2.2V? I don't remember) with the L2 cache on! It eventually crashes out of Bleem! + Ridge Racer. On top of that, it runs a few degrees cooler! Probably because it has four holes through the pcb contained within the socket area.
I shoulda tried my dad's 466 @ 630 on my generic while I had the chance. Almost stable even on the Slocket II he has...
I hope it's purely a temperature issue because I'd hate to think my Slocket II won't hit 90mhz FSB
) but here's something interesting...I have a celeron 400 with the stock heatsink and fan. In the Slocket II it's stable to 500@2.0v but not at 540 even at 2.2V. The only way I can get it stable at 540 in the slocket II is by turning off the L2 cache.
So, it's an L2 cache limitation you say?
Well, I also have a generic non-fcpga slocket and it runs ALMOST stable at 540 (2.2V? I don't remember) with the L2 cache on! It eventually crashes out of Bleem! + Ridge Racer. On top of that, it runs a few degrees cooler! Probably because it has four holes through the pcb contained within the socket area.
I shoulda tried my dad's 466 @ 630 on my generic while I had the chance. Almost stable even on the Slocket II he has...
I hope it's purely a temperature issue because I'd hate to think my Slocket II won't hit 90mhz FSB
That's what I think would really round-out this thread, a C2 on an IWill II since that seems to be the other popular FCPGA slotket out there.
If you do get a C2 soon, please post your results.
Anyone else out there with an IWill II want to post?
If you do get a C2 soon, please post your results.
Anyone else out there with an IWill II want to post?
Ok... I'll pick one up this afternoon and test it on the ol' BH6 that I did the MSI and Asus slotket tests on (my local distributer has the IWill II in stock). BTW, I'm NOT having to pay for these myself. I have a bit of an R&D budget here where I work so I just put small stuff like this on the business AmEx.
I'll try and post the results here later tonight.
I'll try and post the results here later tonight.
Once again, you are the man Thorn.
Napalm just got his C533A to 898 on an ASUS s370-133. So that means we will have C2 OC slotket/mobo results from:
No slotket/BM6
Abit Slotket!!!/BX6r2, BX Master(?), P2B
ASUS S370/BH6
Generic/BH6, BX Master(?)
IWill Slotket II/BH6
MSI 6905 Dual v1.1/BX6r2
MSI 6905 Master/BH6
I'm assuming Wiz is using the MSI BX Master for some of his testing, but I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong.
Not bad.
Am I forgetting anyone/anything?
Napalm just got his C533A to 898 on an ASUS s370-133. So that means we will have C2 OC slotket/mobo results from:
No slotket/BM6
Abit Slotket!!!/BX6r2, BX Master(?), P2B
ASUS S370/BH6
Generic/BH6, BX Master(?)
IWill Slotket II/BH6
MSI 6905 Dual v1.1/BX6r2
MSI 6905 Master/BH6
I'm assuming Wiz is using the MSI BX Master for some of his testing, but I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong
.Not bad.
Am I forgetting anyone/anything?
Oki.. upgrading from stock cooling and noname converter to
1. MSI Converter
2. Golden Orb cooler
? Or would ur list be different ? Plz tell
1. MSI Converter
2. Golden Orb cooler
? Or would ur list be different ? Plz tell
Sounds great to me. The MSI is a good choice (see above), and the Golden Orb is a good cooler as long as you're not planning on going crazy with your OCing (I wouldn't go over 1.85v with a GORB). But all in all that sounds fine.
Ditto. That's exactly what I have now, and 1.85v puts the temp at about 37C. That's a reading from a thermistor right next to the side of the CPU slug.
Speaking about slotket...
Does anybody else have problem using Asus slotket on MSI 6182 board, or it is just me?
Please, take a look at my post. Maybe you can help me?
http://anandforums.gisystech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=28&threadid=175956
Thanks,
Mark
Does anybody else have problem using Asus slotket on MSI 6182 board, or it is just me?
Please, take a look at my post. Maybe you can help me?
http://anandforums.gisystech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=28&threadid=175956
Thanks,
Mark
Hmmm. I'm not familiar with either the MSI mobo or the ASUS slotket, but I'm not clear exactly how high you pushed the voltage. Most C533As seem to be stable at 800MHz at around 1.6-1.65v. I don't know if you went that high. Just out of curiosity, why did you change from the Abit to the MSI mobo?
Wiz1 is the MSI mobo guru, if he's listening.
Wiz1 is the MSI mobo guru, if he's listening.
Well, I want to do something here too. If I tell my wife I'm doing R&D, maybe she'll let me get one of the Wiz's chips. I've got a Abit BM6 and Kingston PC133 memory. I wanna PLAY!
also,
Killer Ape... you talked about the parameters for flashing the bios. Here they are copied from a previous post by natedog:
THE ABIT BIOS TRICK _ STEP BY STEP FOR NEWBIES !
On request
1 : First of all download the desired bios and flashprogram (awdflash.exe).
2: Execute the downloaded .exe bios file.
3: Format a diskette with the copy systemfiles command.
( Or go to the Dos prompt and write : format a:/s )
4: Copy the .bin file you got after excecuting the .exe bios file to the floppy.
Write down the name of the .bin file ( i.e. Bh6_kg.bin )
5: Copy the awdflash.exe program to the floppy.
6: Reboot the computer.
7: When the computer beeps (post's) and starts counting your ram push delete to get into the bios.
Step 1: Set your bios settings to default - remember the cpu speed too.
Step 2: Set voltage to user defined and thereafter boost it up to 2.3 Volts.
Step 3: In the Bios Features Setup; set the boot sequence to : a,c,scsi.
and enable " Boot Up Floppy Seek"
Step 4: Save settings and restart.
Now the computer will start from the floppy.
When you see your floppy drive ( A you are ready to flash the bios .
1:Type awdflash and the flashprogram starts.
2:Type in the name of the .bin file(i.e BH6_kg.bin) - or the one you wrote down previously ; and Enter.
3: The flash program will ask you if you want to save the old bios - answer yes !
4: Save the old bios to the floppy with any name you like - I use "old" .
5: After the flash program have saved the old bios it will ask you if you want to program the bios - answer NO.
6: The flash program will now terminate and return to your floppy drive.
( What you have done now is to save your old bios - and you now have the opportunity to flash back to the previously bios again. When you do the bios trick you dont have the opportunity to save the bios. )
Now you are ready to trick your bios voltage settings !
7:The trick is NOT to start the flashprogram as you did previously : lets say you have downloaded the kg bios and now you have a file called Bh6_kg.bin on your floppy - Right ?
8: Type excactly as follows for the BH6kg.bios : awdflash.exe bh6_kg.bin /py /sn /cc
9:Another example - if you downloaded the BH6jj.bios : awdflash.exe bh6_jj.bin /py /sn /cc
10: Restart and go into your bios settings - now you will see that 2.3Volts is set to be default for your Celeron.
******One note********
You don't want 2.3V for your default for celeron 2. Might make it 1.7 or something like that.
http://anandforums.gisystech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=28&threadid=167709
also,
Killer Ape... you talked about the parameters for flashing the bios. Here they are copied from a previous post by natedog:
THE ABIT BIOS TRICK _ STEP BY STEP FOR NEWBIES !
On request
1 : First of all download the desired bios and flashprogram (awdflash.exe).
2: Execute the downloaded .exe bios file.
3: Format a diskette with the copy systemfiles command.
( Or go to the Dos prompt and write : format a:/s )
4: Copy the .bin file you got after excecuting the .exe bios file to the floppy.
Write down the name of the .bin file ( i.e. Bh6_kg.bin )
5: Copy the awdflash.exe program to the floppy.
6: Reboot the computer.
7: When the computer beeps (post's) and starts counting your ram push delete to get into the bios.
Step 1: Set your bios settings to default - remember the cpu speed too.
Step 2: Set voltage to user defined and thereafter boost it up to 2.3 Volts.
Step 3: In the Bios Features Setup; set the boot sequence to : a,c,scsi.
and enable " Boot Up Floppy Seek"
Step 4: Save settings and restart.
Now the computer will start from the floppy.
When you see your floppy drive ( A you are ready to flash the bios .
1:Type awdflash and the flashprogram starts.
2:Type in the name of the .bin file(i.e BH6_kg.bin) - or the one you wrote down previously ; and Enter.
3: The flash program will ask you if you want to save the old bios - answer yes !
4: Save the old bios to the floppy with any name you like - I use "old" .
5: After the flash program have saved the old bios it will ask you if you want to program the bios - answer NO.
6: The flash program will now terminate and return to your floppy drive.
( What you have done now is to save your old bios - and you now have the opportunity to flash back to the previously bios again. When you do the bios trick you dont have the opportunity to save the bios. )
Now you are ready to trick your bios voltage settings !
7:The trick is NOT to start the flashprogram as you did previously : lets say you have downloaded the kg bios and now you have a file called Bh6_kg.bin on your floppy - Right ?
8: Type excactly as follows for the BH6kg.bios : awdflash.exe bh6_kg.bin /py /sn /cc
9:Another example - if you downloaded the BH6jj.bios : awdflash.exe bh6_jj.bin /py /sn /cc
10: Restart and go into your bios settings - now you will see that 2.3Volts is set to be default for your Celeron.
******One note********
You don't want 2.3V for your default for celeron 2. Might make it 1.7 or something like that.
http://anandforums.gisystech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=28&threadid=167709
Killer Ape,
I did not switch from Abit BX-6 to MSI 6182. I have two systems.
I upgraded CPU for Abit board with one running at 896 @ 1.60 and now trying to overclock older CPU which used to run 824 @ 1.6 on Abit board.
As my other post(see link) says I cannot up voltage at all!
Please, help
I did not switch from Abit BX-6 to MSI 6182. I have two systems.
I upgraded CPU for Abit board with one running at 896 @ 1.60 and now trying to overclock older CPU which used to run 824 @ 1.6 on Abit board.
As my other post(see link) says I cannot up voltage at all!
Please, help
Well IB, while you're waiting for your C2 you could loan me the PC133SDRAM to experiment with . Ah the joys of bachelorhood .
Thanks for digging up the BIOS flash procedure. Anand should just keep it in permanent storage somewhere on the site. At least one person a week asks for it.
. Ah the joys of bachelorhood .Thanks for digging up the BIOS flash procedure. Anand should just keep it in permanent storage somewhere on the site. At least one person a week asks for it.
Okay Mark, I'm looking at the manual for the MSI 6182 and it says there's a "Frequency/Voltage Control" option in the BIOS that allows you to adjust the CPU Vcore. I'm assuming you tried this and it won't let you go any higher than...? If that doesn't give you the voltage you need, then try setting it on the slotket and see if that works. I'm not familiar with the 810 chipset, so I don't know what else to try.
Thanks, Eugene, for calling me "the first".
"I" is first letter of my last name
I have ASUS370-133 slotket.
Killer Ape,
The Bios as well as slotket let me change voltage to whatever I need.
The problem is:
As soon as I change voltage to anything above 1.5V it brings me to the blue screen with Registry Checker running
"I" is first letter of my last name
I have ASUS370-133 slotket.
Killer Ape,
The Bios as well as slotket let me change voltage to whatever I need.
The problem is:
As soon as I change voltage to anything above 1.5V it brings me to the blue screen with Registry Checker running
Mark, If you're saying that the CPU isn't stable at ANY voltage, then it's probazbly either the slotket, as Eug says, or some limitation of the 810 chipset. The chip works fine at spec speed and voltage right?
This could be one of those weird cases where you have to let the BIOS detect the chip at spec speed first, then set the jumper from 66 to 100MHz (and possibly up the voltage) in order to OC. I haven't read alot about OCing with an 810 chipset.
This could be one of those weird cases where you have to let the BIOS detect the chip at spec speed first, then set the jumper from 66 to 100MHz (and possibly up the voltage) in order to OC. I haven't read alot about OCing with an 810 chipset.
Sorry Mark, I'm running out of ideas .
The only other thing I can think of is that the PCI/AGP is set correctly, which it looks like the BIOS should do automatically unless you set it manually. The only other OTHER thing I can think of is that the mobo just can't handle the speed, which doesn't make alot of sense. But, it's got all that integrated video and audio and power windows, power steering...
No offense, but what possessed you to buy an 810 mobo anyway?
.The only other thing I can think of is that the PCI/AGP is set correctly, which it looks like the BIOS should do automatically unless you set it manually. The only other OTHER thing I can think of is that the mobo just can't handle the speed, which doesn't make alot of sense. But, it's got all that integrated video and audio and power windows, power steering...
No offense, but what possessed you to buy an 810 mobo anyway?
It was cheap $59 and I've thought it would be nice addition to my other two PCs plus laptop for my daughter's college projects.
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