I am so happy to read this post. It's a voice of reason.Originally posted by: Shimmishim
Originally posted by: OcHungry
I've never said C2D is a bad choice nor have said pick x2 over C2D per say. I have been critical of those who immediately bash x2 and promote C2D, even when the interested need not to spend more than just a mere CPU replacement. I have recommended C2D (check OCforums.com) when the condition for such arises. The point is, a lot of people compute for daily tasks and don?t buy to gloat around forums padding themselves in the back w/ false notion that they are one of a kind. Those who game w/ their PC should be more concerned w/ GPU than that 10-15% better performance or outrageous overclocking. I am happy for you or those who have invested in C2D. But don?t keep shoving it in the throat of anyone needing a sound advice. Not always a sound advice points to C2D, and stellar overclocking. Above all, I am critical and fed up w/ those who immediately turn to foul language and personal attacks when I or someone recommends x2 over C2D.
I have said this to you before (when you asked): I am not against Intel as an entity; I am just fed up w/ those who act as though they are Intel's mercenaries.
I think besides the last few lines of your rant, everything else you say is somewhat valid.
Now I'm not saying X2 is bad but from a pure processing power point of view, the C2D at the time being has to be the best processor out especially for overclocking.
An overclocked C2D 6300 will pretty much beat an X2 system at gaming and other multi-threaded apps (assuming all parts equal). and for someone overclocking, the C2D is pretty much the only way to go (assuming the person wants to change platforms i.e. from 939 to AM2 or C2D).
Now if someone were NOT overclocking and wanted a PC for basic functionality, then I agree that the X2 has to be the best bang for the buck as AMD dual core parts are cheaper for the most part (minus the FX chips and higher end dual core) as well as their motherboards.
So with that being said, I completely agree with you that it depends on the use and needs of the person. I believe most people recommend the C2D just because it's faster and has more power... now is that power absolutely necessary? Probably not and this is why you get so upset.
In the end, recommendations are made and the ultimate decision is up to the original poster to decide what would be best for himself.
From the posts I have seen around here, I haven't seen much AMD "bashing." Only a year ago, this forum was full of AMD fanboys like no other and I almost quit the cpu/oc section of AT because of it. It's interesting now to see how many of these fanboys are now on intel systems (you know who you are).
Intel dominance, AMD dominance goes back and forth... back and forth. I can't even tell you how many times I've flip flopped between the two.
Its always going to be like this.. AMD vs. Intel.
OcHungry - I'm glad you've stuck to your guns and you favor AMD but you also need to try to be a little more civil as well. Sometimes your posts seem almost ignorant because people present the facts to you and then you ignore what they've posted and focus on the personal comments that were made because you can't argue against what they've said.
Others - Leave this poor guy alone. It's obvious that no amount of screenshots or arguing will get your point across to him.
With that said...
I vote for a lock on this thread.
I believe we have a BINGO!Originally posted by: Howard
You can't argue with a viral marketer.
Originally posted by: Markfw900
OK,you still have not apologised for this (calling me a liar), or posted any screen shots of your 4400 @ 2.97. This paragraph is exactly the garbage that makes us all mad at you. And I am on air cooling. You are on ?????
Originally posted by: OcHungry
Originally posted by: Markfw900
OK,you still have not apologised for this (calling me a liar), or posted any screen shots of your 4400 @ 2.97. This paragraph is exactly the garbage that makes us all mad at you. And I am on air cooling. You are on ?????
A few posts back you admitted high temp after no one bought your claim of 47c load temp. I said I take back what I said because you were man enough to admit it. Now you keep rehashing the same subject and continue to offend me. You just don?t get it do you?
Below is a thread that answer's your questions about my 4400 overclocking, temp and cooling. Read the pages and view all the screenshots.
BTW, if you think what I say I cannot back up, let me make it easy on you: I don?t Lie.
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=473441
EDIT: And for the rest of you who redicule a fellow human being, may god have mercy on you. I forgive you because you never knew and will never know the meaning of decency, kindness and fairness- you are a pagan.
Originally posted by: Roguestar
Ok, bringing religion into this really means the thread should be locked.
Originally posted by: OcHungry
EDIT: And for the rest of you who redicule a fellow human being, may god have mercy on you. I forgive you because you never knew and will never know the meaning of decency, kindness and fairness- you are a pagan.
Originally posted by: OcHungry
EDIT: And for the rest of you who redicule a fellow human being, may god have mercy on you. I forgive you because you never knew and will never know the meaning of decency, kindness and fairness- you are a pagan.
Accusing anyone who's OC'd a C2D to 3.5 of being a liar. There are many examples of this, here and elsewhere, and one accused member went so far as to do a 12 hour run of a commonly used (around here) stress program for you. --> You owe another apology.Originally posted by: OcHungry
repeat: It?s a lie people claiming 3.5 GHz w/ C2D 24/7 and prime stable.
Originally posted by: OcHungry
Originally posted by: Markfw900
OK,you still have not apologised for this (calling me a liar), or posted any screen shots of your 4400 @ 2.97. This paragraph is exactly the garbage that makes us all mad at you. And I am on air cooling. You are on ?????
A few posts back you admitted high temp after no one bought your claim of 47c load temp. I said I take back what I said because you were man enough to admit it. Now you keep rehashing the same subject and continue to offend me. You just don?t get it do you?
Below is a thread that answer's your questions about my 4400 overclocking, temp and cooling. Read the pages and view all the screenshots.
BTW, if you think what I say I cannot back up, let me make it easy on you: I don?t Lie.
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=473441
EDIT: And for the rest of you who redicule a fellow human being, may god have mercy on you. I forgive you because you never knew and will never know the meaning of decency, kindness and fairness- you are a pagan.
Hmmmm... Now that is an interesting point.Originally posted by: Acanthus
LMAO, welcome back zinn2b.
Originally posted by: Markfw900
Originally posted by: jgigz
And the sad part is, that I have 2 C2D boxes, and 10 AMD boxes... I go for who is best value for my dollar, not a fanboy. I did like Amd (and still do in the server market) and now I like C2D better.
Dunno if its just me but if you have that many mid-high end computers sounds like bang for your buck wouldnt be to high on you list. 😉
So I should spend way too much money ? Just because I like to have computers for my sons lan parties, and a F@H farm doesn't mean I like to waste money.
You get to be well off by spending wisely, not throwing away money.
Originally posted by: geokilla
Just to let you know....this is my first time overclocking. Is my warranty voided already?? If yes....NNNNNNNNOOOOOOO