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C2D versus my X2 boxes

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Thats OK jgigz, I wasn;t upset... I wish we had more liek you ! And I do see the wink now.
 
Reading through this thread, I would have to summarize it this way: OcHungry, you make accusation after accusation, but you never put forth anything substantial to advance your side of the argument.

Ignoring price, Intel Core 2 is better than AMD K8 in every possible way: performance per watt, performance per clock cycle, overall performance, overall power consumption, and overclockability. AMD was forced to cut prices to stay on the price-performance curve, which they have, and their fabs are still maxed out on production capacity.

All the overclocking claims you're disputing on these forums, OcHungry, have been correlated all over the internet.

If you were having this argument a year ago, you would be saying that Intel Pentium4-Prescott was the best, and that we were all AMD fanboys. So, please stop spreading lies and FUD. People come here for good advice, not blatant lies.
 
Originally posted by: Shimmishim
Originally posted by: OcHungry

I've never said C2D is a bad choice nor have said pick x2 over C2D per say. I have been critical of those who immediately bash x2 and promote C2D, even when the interested need not to spend more than just a mere CPU replacement. I have recommended C2D (check OCforums.com) when the condition for such arises. The point is, a lot of people compute for daily tasks and don?t buy to gloat around forums padding themselves in the back w/ false notion that they are one of a kind. Those who game w/ their PC should be more concerned w/ GPU than that 10-15% better performance or outrageous overclocking. I am happy for you or those who have invested in C2D. But don?t keep shoving it in the throat of anyone needing a sound advice. Not always a sound advice points to C2D, and stellar overclocking. Above all, I am critical and fed up w/ those who immediately turn to foul language and personal attacks when I or someone recommends x2 over C2D.
I have said this to you before (when you asked): I am not against Intel as an entity; I am just fed up w/ those who act as though they are Intel's mercenaries.

I think besides the last few lines of your rant, everything else you say is somewhat valid.

Now I'm not saying X2 is bad but from a pure processing power point of view, the C2D at the time being has to be the best processor out especially for overclocking.

An overclocked C2D 6300 will pretty much beat an X2 system at gaming and other multi-threaded apps (assuming all parts equal). and for someone overclocking, the C2D is pretty much the only way to go (assuming the person wants to change platforms i.e. from 939 to AM2 or C2D).

Now if someone were NOT overclocking and wanted a PC for basic functionality, then I agree that the X2 has to be the best bang for the buck as AMD dual core parts are cheaper for the most part (minus the FX chips and higher end dual core) as well as their motherboards.

So with that being said, I completely agree with you that it depends on the use and needs of the person. I believe most people recommend the C2D just because it's faster and has more power... now is that power absolutely necessary? Probably not and this is why you get so upset.

In the end, recommendations are made and the ultimate decision is up to the original poster to decide what would be best for himself.

From the posts I have seen around here, I haven't seen much AMD "bashing." Only a year ago, this forum was full of AMD fanboys like no other and I almost quit the cpu/oc section of AT because of it. It's interesting now to see how many of these fanboys are now on intel systems (you know who you are).

Intel dominance, AMD dominance goes back and forth... back and forth. I can't even tell you how many times I've flip flopped between the two.

Its always going to be like this.. AMD vs. Intel.

OcHungry - I'm glad you've stuck to your guns and you favor AMD but you also need to try to be a little more civil as well. Sometimes your posts seem almost ignorant because people present the facts to you and then you ignore what they've posted and focus on the personal comments that were made because you can't argue against what they've said.

Others - Leave this poor guy alone. It's obvious that no amount of screenshots or arguing will get your point across to him.

With that said...

I vote for a lock on this thread.
I am so happy to read this post. It's a voice of reason.
 
OcHungry is so hungry he hasnt eaten in awhile. dont ban him feel sorry for him and show to others this is what happens when you dont eat. lol

He can't see beyond his nose. gets everyones backs up on all forums. hes so vague on all discussions. doesnt commit to facts or reality and ignores the issues and 99% of the threads and gets personal. whenever hes presented with solid evidence he skirts round it. then when proven wrong totally avoids again and again and to throw you off the scent he appears again with some tiny inconsequential decrepancy. a sign of a liar. in his mind amd is the better no matter what open facts you present to him. he is blinded alot.


Member: The conroes faster.
OcHungry: It can't be. The ihs is the wrong colour.
Member: Idiot

100 members have not convinced him then let him be. When you see him coming just smile.

@OcHungry prove to all of us why we should sell our c2d for amd and post those amd killer benchies we been waiting for. that stupid idiot downgraded from a 6700 to a amd 939 and he is your idol. boy you got problems.

calling everyone intel mercenaries is so crazy when peeps just want to have the fastest hardware regardless if its amd or intel. old skool everyone had bbc32 micro and spectrum and you had the defunct dragon32 computer.
you got to move with the times. live with it.

One thing is certain with Amd.
More Crashes.

You can easily judge the character of a man by the way he treats those who can do nothing for him.

I always pass on good advice. It is the only thing to do with it. It is never of any use to oneself
 
Originally posted by: Howard
You can't argue with a viral marketer.
I believe we have a BINGO!

I swore up and down that Rollo was a viral marketer and he tried to get me banned for saying this only to finally confess that he was indeed a viral marketer.

These viral types really piss me off. Good information is hard enough to find between the fanboys, the greenhorns, and the people who are just plain stupid. Viral marketers pretending to be stupid are just an increased annoyance.

I think the mods keeps assclowns like OcHungry around just to keep us stirred up, lol. :laugh:

 
Originally posted by: Markfw900

OK,you still have not apologised for this (calling me a liar), or posted any screen shots of your 4400 @ 2.97. This paragraph is exactly the garbage that makes us all mad at you. And I am on air cooling. You are on ?????

A few posts back you admitted high temp after no one bought your claim of 47c load temp. I said I take back what I said because you were man enough to admit it. Now you keep rehashing the same subject and continue to offend me. You just don?t get it do you?
Below is a thread that answer's your questions about my 4400 overclocking, temp and cooling. Read the pages and view all the screenshots.
BTW, if you think what I say I cannot back up, let me make it easy on you: I don?t Lie.

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=473441

EDIT: And for the rest of you who redicule a fellow human being, may god have mercy on you. I forgive you because you never knew and will never know the meaning of decency, kindness and fairness- you are a pagan.
 
Originally posted by: OcHungry
Originally posted by: Markfw900

OK,you still have not apologised for this (calling me a liar), or posted any screen shots of your 4400 @ 2.97. This paragraph is exactly the garbage that makes us all mad at you. And I am on air cooling. You are on ?????

A few posts back you admitted high temp after no one bought your claim of 47c load temp. I said I take back what I said because you were man enough to admit it. Now you keep rehashing the same subject and continue to offend me. You just don?t get it do you?
Below is a thread that answer's your questions about my 4400 overclocking, temp and cooling. Read the pages and view all the screenshots.
BTW, if you think what I say I cannot back up, let me make it easy on you: I don?t Lie.

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=473441

EDIT: And for the rest of you who redicule a fellow human being, may god have mercy on you. I forgive you because you never knew and will never know the meaning of decency, kindness and fairness- you are a pagan.

LMAO, welcome back zinn2b.
 
Originally posted by: OcHungry

EDIT: And for the rest of you who redicule a fellow human being, may god have mercy on you. I forgive you because you never knew and will never know the meaning of decency, kindness and fairness- you are a pagan.

Deceny, kindness, and fairness? Where was that during the crusades, today's fighting, and the many other wars religion has caused?

Take your OT, P&N crap elsewhere, troll.

 
Please don't feed the troll. He'll just try to find something 'wrong' with the benchies and he'll be even bigger than before. Just like those guys who say that ATI cards can't do HDR+AA even though they can.

EDIT: Nvm, I just saw the ammount of pages and realized that my post will have no effect.
 
Still room on the bandwagon?

Originally posted by: OcHungry

EDIT: And for the rest of you who redicule a fellow human being, may god have mercy on you. I forgive you because you never knew and will never know the meaning of decency, kindness and fairness- you are a pagan.



You can play the passive aggressive card if you want, but you'll get nowhere with it.

The facts:
You've accused respected members of being Intel fanboys. These same members were previously Amd fans, when amd was king, and started advocating Intel only when that's where the performance edge was. These accused members also recommended Amd to someone for whom it made sense to them. Not really any evidence of fanboyism there. -->You owe an apology.

You've accused them of being liars for stating 3.5GHz stable overclocks, when there are multiple people with the same results, both here and elsewhere. You went as far as to say:
Originally posted by: OcHungry
repeat: It?s a lie people claiming 3.5 GHz w/ C2D 24/7 and prime stable.
Accusing anyone who's OC'd a C2D to 3.5 of being a liar. There are many examples of this, here and elsewhere, and one accused member went so far as to do a 12 hour run of a commonly used (around here) stress program for you. --> You owe another apology.

With your accusations and misinformation you get a pile of heated insults. But you fired the first shots, and stuck to your guns about being right. Now you claim the 'ooh i'm so hurt, but i forgive you.' Your apology to Markfw was conditional and sounded more like you were accepting his apology. It was an empty apology.

You owe the members you accused an unconditional apology, and any less shows you for what you are. A troll and a fool.

 
Originally posted by: OcHungry
Originally posted by: Markfw900

OK,you still have not apologised for this (calling me a liar), or posted any screen shots of your 4400 @ 2.97. This paragraph is exactly the garbage that makes us all mad at you. And I am on air cooling. You are on ?????

A few posts back you admitted high temp after no one bought your claim of 47c load temp. I said I take back what I said because you were man enough to admit it. Now you keep rehashing the same subject and continue to offend me. You just don?t get it do you?
Below is a thread that answer's your questions about my 4400 overclocking, temp and cooling. Read the pages and view all the screenshots.
BTW, if you think what I say I cannot back up, let me make it easy on you: I don?t Lie.

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=473441

EDIT: And for the rest of you who redicule a fellow human being, may god have mercy on you. I forgive you because you never knew and will never know the meaning of decency, kindness and fairness- you are a pagan.

Everyone except YOU agreed that was a good temp. Different software shows different numbers. And your temps are at idle in your screenshot, not under load. I still have no apologies, and no ackowegdements from you that my rig is stable OC'ed to 3.5 and no acknowledgement that us X2 owners are NOT sorry we changed over. Everyone else is upset, since you never admit your faults, just change the subject once proven wrong.
 
*raises hand*

What is a good program to monitor CPU temps. (getting off topic...sorry) I use PC Probe and it says my load temps are around 48DC under load at 2.1GHZ and 38DC for RAM. Using Core Temp it says 55DC in Core 0 and 48DC in Core 1. Such a HUGE difference. Which program should I trust. That RAM is also overclocked to 700MHZ....somehow....

Just to let you know....this is my first time overclocking. Is my warranty voided already?? If yes....NNNNNNNNOOOOOOO
 
Originally posted by: Markfw900
Originally posted by: jgigz
And the sad part is, that I have 2 C2D boxes, and 10 AMD boxes... I go for who is best value for my dollar, not a fanboy. I did like Amd (and still do in the server market) and now I like C2D better.

Dunno if its just me but if you have that many mid-high end computers sounds like bang for your buck wouldnt be to high on you list. 😉

So I should spend way too much money ? Just because I like to have computers for my sons lan parties, and a F@H farm doesn't mean I like to waste money.

You get to be well off by spending wisely, not throwing away money.


Ah, for goodness sake man, just plain bloody admit it! You are a PC addict and that "wise buy" veneer you use to conceal it with does not extenuate the splurge one bit. Enjoy your riches but spare us with the fig leaf excuses for it.
 
Originally posted by: geokilla
Just to let you know....this is my first time overclocking. Is my warranty voided already?? If yes....NNNNNNNNOOOOOOO

Overclocking voids the warranty, yes.
 
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