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I drove to Bethesda with some friends to watch this independent film. It was describes as being funny like some of the skits that Dave Chappelle does. It takes a look at what the United States would be if the South won the Civil war in a cheesy documentary form.

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I guess some parts are funny. I thought the commercials were probably the funniest part of all. Anybody else catch this?

 

[acemcmac]

I'd like to see that

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Let me guess: it has something to do with slavery?

Sigh.

The civil war wasn't about slavery, but I guess slavery in today's society could make some funny comedy routines.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Nik
Let me guess: it has something to do with slavery?

Sigh.

The civil war wasn't about slavery, but I guess slavery in today's society could make some funny comedy routines.

The civil war was about several things, one of them was indeed slavery.

 

[Kadarin]

You might be interested in reading some of Harry Turtledove's alternate history fiction.

 

[MisterJackson]

Originally posted by: Nik
Let me guess: it has something to do with slavery?

Sigh.

The civil war wasn't about slavery, but I guess slavery in today's society could make some funny comedy routines.

Yessir massa Nik......pleasa don't beat me, pleasa sir!

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: Nik
Let me guess: it has something to do with slavery?

Sigh.

The civil war wasn't about slavery, but I guess slavery in today's society could make some funny comedy routines.

After January 1, 1863 it was, at least from the Union's, and more importantly, England and Frances point of view.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Nik
Let me guess: it has something to do with slavery?

Sigh.

The civil war wasn't about slavery, but I guess slavery in today's society could make some funny comedy routines.

The civil war was about several things, one of them was indeed slavery.

Nah, it was about the south's wish to be able to decide for themselves whether slavery should be legal or not as opposed to the north's forcing it on them with federal laws. The war could have been about anything if enough states didn't want the federal government telling them what to do about it. Slavery happened to be a big enough monetary issue to do it.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Nik
Let me guess: it has something to do with slavery?

Sigh.

The civil war wasn't about slavery, but I guess slavery in today's society could make some funny comedy routines.

The civil war was about several things, one of them was indeed slavery.

Nah, it was about the south's wish to be able to decide for themselves whether slavery should be legal or not as opposed to the north's forcing it on them with federal laws. The war could have been about anything if enough states didn't want the federal government telling them what to do about it. Slavery happened to be a big enough monetary issue to do it.

The problem was that the south was not content with slavery as it was and wanted it expanded into the Federal Territories and any new states that might join. Several compromises were agreed upon leading up to the Civil War but ultimately the situation was not satisfactory to either side. This generated an astonishing amount of political and civil ill will between members of the government and segments of the population that certainly helped propel the country to war.

The root cause is really the loss of power (political and economic) experienced by the South in the couple decades leading up to the war and brought to a head with the election of Lincoln in 1860. The southern states would no longer have the political muscle to force the federal government into its desires. They then fell back on the old threat of nullification, secession, and possibly war. The difference this time is that Lincoln was not one to be intimidated and called their hand.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Right, like I said, state versus federal. It would have happened sooner or later with a different issue if not slavery.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Nik
Right, like I said, state versus federal.

They had little problem with Federal power as long as it bent their way. That time had come to an end.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

That's not federal power, that's state power since the feds HAD no power over the states Just like how our government listens more to big business more than it does any of it's constituants.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Nik
That's not federal power, that's state power since the feds HAD no power over the states Just like how our government listens more to big business more than it does any of it's constituants.

But the Federal government at the time did have power over the territories and the conditions under which new states would be admitted to the US. Since the northern states now held sway in the Federal government they could shape new parts of the country into the mold they preferred and isolate slavery to the already practicing southern states.

This was something the south was completely terrified of since they saw it as the beginning of the end for slavery and their economic system. However, that would have been in keeping with the sentiment of the founders that slavery eventually be transitioned out of the nation. The problem was so intractable then as to nearly derail the constitutional convention and had grown only more problematic with time and expansion.

 

[wvtalbot]

Originally posted by: Nik
Right, like I said, state versus federal. It would have happened sooner or later with a different issue if not slavery.

Fact is it was because of several issues, including states rights and slavery. I can't think of any reputable historian who would say slavery had nothing to do with the increased tensions during the 1850s, although a lot of southerners do like to say slavery had nothing to do with it so their ancestors don't seem like the evil bastards they really were.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Nik
Let me guess: it has something to do with slavery?

Sigh.

The civil war wasn't about slavery, but I guess slavery in today's society could make some funny comedy routines.

The civil war was about several things, one of them was indeed slavery.

Unfortunately, slavery is often (incorrectly) cited as the primary reason for the Civil War.

Edit: I'm not a Southerner by birth. My immediate family is from the North...hell, my family wasn't even in the US until after WWI.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Nik
Let me guess: it has something to do with slavery?

Sigh.

The civil war wasn't about slavery, but I guess slavery in today's society could make some funny comedy routines.

The civil war was about several things, one of them was indeed slavery.

QFT.

It was a lot about the economics of slavery. Racial discrimination was a sidenote though.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: wvtalbot

Originally posted by: Nik
Right, like I said, state versus federal. It would have happened sooner or later with a different issue if not slavery.

Fact is it was because of several issues, including states rights and slavery. I can't think of any reputable historian who would say slavery had nothing to do with the increased tensions during the 1850s, although a lot of southerners do like to say slavery had nothing to do with it so their ancestors don't seem like the evil bastards they really were.

I guess I must be a southerner then. Cool. Living in Oregon, I don't meet many southerners very often. Now I can tell all my friends!

Anyway, like it's already been explained, slavery was such a small splinter in the battering-ram that was the civil war. Even so, most blacks spouting about racism and most people too wussy to have a backbone are usually the ones who babble on that the civil war focused on and was all about the oppression of the blacks -how the noble North fought for the rights of the black man from the evil tyrany of the demonic South! ...oh please.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Nik
Let me guess: it has something to do with slavery?

Sigh.

The civil war wasn't about slavery, but I guess slavery in today's society could make some funny comedy routines.

The civil war was about several things, one of them was indeed slavery.

Unfortunately, slavery is often (incorrectly) cited as the primary reason for the Civil War.

I know, but to say it had nothing at all to do with it just isn't accurate so I usually can't let it pass. Slavery was one aspect of the political situation that made it possible.

As to how most people view the civil war (inaccurate though the perception may be), I see that as proof positive of Lincoln's political skill even 140+ years removed.

 

[wvtalbot]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: wvtalbot

Originally posted by: Nik
Right, like I said, state versus federal. It would have happened sooner or later with a different issue if not slavery.

Fact is it was because of several issues, including states rights and slavery. I can't think of any reputable historian who would say slavery had nothing to do with the increased tensions during the 1850s, although a lot of southerners do like to say slavery had nothing to do with it so their ancestors don't seem like the evil bastards they really were.

I guess I must be a southerner then. Cool. Living in Oregon, I don't meet many southerners very often. Now I can tell all my friends!

Anyway, like it's already been explained, slavery was such a small splinter in the battering-ram that was the civil war. Even so, most blacks spouting about racism and most people too wussy to have a backbone are usually the ones who babble on that the civil war focused on and was all about the oppression of the blacks -how the noble North fought for the rights of the black man from the evil tyrany of the demonic South! ...oh please.

Well thank you for putting words into my mouth. I did not say anything about the noble north. Fact is slavery was an evil institution. And it being in the south help magnify tensions before the war.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Nik
Let me guess: it has something to do with slavery?

Sigh.

The civil war wasn't about slavery, but I guess slavery in today's society could make some funny comedy routines.

The civil war was about several things, one of them was indeed slavery.

Nah, it was about the south's wish to be able to decide for themselves whether slavery should be legal or not as opposed to the north's forcing it on them with federal laws. The war could have been about anything if enough states didn't want the federal government telling them what to do about it. Slavery happened to be a big enough monetary issue to do it.

omfg.. for the first time in History... I have to agree with nik.. sigh a sad day has come..

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: wvtalbot

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: wvtalbot

Originally posted by: Nik
Right, like I said, state versus federal. It would have happened sooner or later with a different issue if not slavery.

Fact is it was because of several issues, including states rights and slavery. I can't think of any reputable historian who would say slavery had nothing to do with the increased tensions during the 1850s, although a lot of southerners do like to say slavery had nothing to do with it so their ancestors don't seem like the evil bastards they really were.

I guess I must be a southerner then. Cool. Living in Oregon, I don't meet many southerners very often. Now I can tell all my friends!

Anyway, like it's already been explained, slavery was such a small splinter in the battering-ram that was the civil war. Even so, most blacks spouting about racism and most people too wussy to have a backbone are usually the ones who babble on that the civil war focused on and was all about the oppression of the blacks -how the noble North fought for the rights of the black man from the evil tyrany of the demonic South! ...oh please.

Well thank you for putting words into my mouth. I did not say anything about the noble north. Fact is slavery was an evil institution. And it being in the south help magnify tensions before the war.

I didn't put anything into your mouth. Besides, the north had slaves just like the south did. Shh, though. Don't tell "certain people" though. It'll shatter their whole opinion on the war and they'll call you racist!

 

[wvtalbot]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: wvtalbot

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: wvtalbot

Originally posted by: Nik
Right, like I said, state versus federal. It would have happened sooner or later with a different issue if not slavery.

Fact is it was because of several issues, including states rights and slavery. I can't think of any reputable historian who would say slavery had nothing to do with the increased tensions during the 1850s, although a lot of southerners do like to say slavery had nothing to do with it so their ancestors don't seem like the evil bastards they really were.

I guess I must be a southerner then. Cool. Living in Oregon, I don't meet many southerners very often. Now I can tell all my friends!

Anyway, like it's already been explained, slavery was such a small splinter in the battering-ram that was the civil war. Even so, most blacks spouting about racism and most people too wussy to have a backbone are usually the ones who babble on that the civil war focused on and was all about the oppression of the blacks -how the noble North fought for the rights of the black man from the evil tyrany of the demonic South! ...oh please.

Well thank you for putting words into my mouth. I did not say anything about the noble north. Fact is slavery was an evil institution. And it being in the south help magnify tensions before the war.

I didn't put anything into your mouth.

umm yeah you did, you took my statement and twisted it to your own ends. But then again that seems to be a common practice for you.


Fact is there are a maryiad of things that help caused the war.

Politics, slavery, states rights, expansionism, modernization, economics. They all had their part to play, slavery was one of these issues.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: wvtalbot
umm yeah you did, you took my statement and twisted it to your own ends. But then again that seems to be a common practice for you.

Fact is there are a maryiad of things that help caused the war.

Politics, slavery, states rights, expansionism, modernization, economics. They all had their part to play, slavery was one of these issues.

Okay, what exactly did I say that you said, that you clearly did not say? Where did I say "no you're wrong when you say X" or something? I didn't. My reply was my own words. If I was referring to someone, could it be possible that I was referring to someone other than you? Jesus christ, use your brain.

Slavory was far, FAR less significant than most history books and spineless, politically correct historians would have you believe.

 

[wvtalbot]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: wvtalbot
umm yeah you did, you took my statement and twisted it to your own ends. But then again that seems to be a common practice for you.

Okay, what exactly did I say that you said, that you clearly did not say? Where did I say "no you're wrong when you say X" or something?

I didn't.

My reply was my own words. If I was referring to someone, could it be possible that I was referring to someone other than you? Jesus christ, use your brain.

Quit your silly little semantic games, they are tiresome.

Show me one repuatable civil war historian who says slavery had nothing to do with the war.

Good luck finding one.

 

[shimsham]

If the South would?ve won we'd a had it made,
I'd prob?ly run for President of the Southern State.
The day Elvis passed away would be our national holiday,
If the South would a won we'd had a it made.

I'd make my Supreme Court down in Texas,
And we wouldn't have no killers gettin?off free.
If they were proven guilty, then they would swing quickly,
Instead of writin? books and smilin? on T.V.

We'd all learn Cajun cookin in Louisiana,
And I'd put that capitol back in Alabama.
We'd put Florida on the right track ?cause, we'd take Miami back,
And throw all them pushers in the slammer.

If the South would?ve won we'd a had it made,
I'd prolly run for President of the Southern States.
The day young Skynyrd died we?d show our Southern Pride,
If the South would a won we'd had a it made.

I'd have all the whiskey made in Tennessee,
And all the horses raised in those Kentucky hills.
The national treasury would be in Tupelo, Mississippi
And I'd put Hank William?s picture on one hundred dollar bills.

I'd have all the cars made in the Carolina's,
And I'd ban all the ones made in China.
I'd have every girl and child sent to Georgia to learn to smile,
And talk with that southern accent that drives me wild.

I'd have all the fiddles made in Virginia
Cause they sure can make'em sound so fine.
I'm goin up on Wolverton mountain and see ole Clinton Powers,
And have a sip of his good ole Arkansas wine.

Hey, if the South woulda won we'd had it made
I'd prolly run for President of the Southern States,
When Patsy Cline passed away that would be our national holiday,
If the South woulda won we'd a had it made.

If the South woulda won we'd a had it made.