C&D First Drive: 2009 Nissan GT-R

[Arkaign]

Any other reviews/tests pop up?

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Originally posted by: Tiamat
I didnt know about the 1 technician per engine thing. Do that in the US, surely the car would have to cost 10x more, not that japan labor is cheap either.

The Z06 is the same, they even attach a nameplate to the engine with the name of the tech that built it.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: jdoggg12

Originally posted by: senseamp
No manual transmission? No thanks.

So you wouldn't buy a Ferrari either?

Correct.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: BouZouki
They need to use the dual clutch setup, it simply shifts faster and allows them to get the numbers they need.

The 911T with the tiptronic is faster than the manual version.


Of course you have lots of people who will easily sacrifice some performance for manual gearbox.

BMW always offers a 6 spd option on their SMG M models.

If my commute involved timed 0-60 tire smoking sprints from stop lights to impress others, then I'd pick SMG.
If my commute was sitting in traffic, I'd pick an auto.
Instead my weekday commute is simple hop on the freeway and go to work, and doing some MT shifting just makes it more interesting. My weekend commute is a trip up twisty mountain roads for some hiking and mountain biking, and I immensely enjoy rowing the gears while doing so.
For everyday car, a manual transmission car is going to be significantly more fun, because it requires more skill to execute perfect shifts, so it is more rewarding for your work. Pulling a lever to upshift and downshift an SMG or manual shift mode auto is going to be interesting for about 10 minutes for me. I would not pay more for an SMG to have less fun than a cheaper MT, just to brag to my friends that my car could in theory do half a second faster 0-60 run. I love the GT-R, but I'd rather save my money and get a G35 6MT. It's going to be a more rewarding car to drive.

 

[fstime]

Thats great, but guess what, numbers sell.

An SMG or DSG setup is always going to be faster than a MT.

I sympathize all the MT purists but cars are out there to sell.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: BouZouki
They need to use the dual clutch setup, it simply shifts faster and allows them to get the numbers they need.

The 911T with the tiptronic is faster than the manual version.


Of course you have lots of people who will easily sacrifice some performance for manual gearbox.

BMW always offers a 6 spd option on their SMG M models.

If my commute involved timed 0-60 tire smoking sprints from stop lights to impress others, then I'd pick SMG.
If my commute was sitting in traffic, I'd pick an auto.
Instead my weekday commute is simple hop on the freeway and go to work, and doing some MT shifting just makes it more interesting. My weekend commute is a trip up twisty mountain roads for some hiking and mountain biking, and I immensely enjoy rowing the gears while doing so.
For everyday car, a manual transmission car is going to be significantly more fun, because it requires more skill to execute perfect shifts, so it is more rewarding for your work. Pulling a lever to upshift and downshift an SMG or manual shift mode auto is going to be interesting for about 10 minutes for me. I would not pay more for an SMG to have less fun than a cheaper MT, just to brag to my friends that my car could in theory do half a second faster 0-60 run. I love the GT-R, but I'd rather save my money and get a G35 6MT. It's going to be a more rewarding car to drive.

You mine as well save even more money and get an old bug since the only thing that matters is shifting and not the HUGE gap in performance. Plus you would save even more money 😛

 

[Arkaign]

I want updates, this is the most interesting vehicle to come from Japan in a loooong time.

 

[Aikouka]

I wonder what the fuel economy is on this thing... I was curious about it after I was tinkering with my headlights... that lead me to remember that Nissan put an updated version of their HIDs on the new GT-R. I had just filled up earlier, so then I got curious about the GT-R's gas mileage.

 

[overst33r]

Originally posted by: Aikouka
I wonder what the fuel economy is on this thing... I was curious about it after I was tinkering with my headlights... that lead me to remember that Nissan put an updated version of their HIDs on the new GT-R. I had just filled up earlier, so then I got curious about the GT-R's gas mileage.

Apparently it is a ULEV vehicle, if Wiki is correct. That doesn't necessarily translate into good fuel economy but it sure won't get a gas guzzler tax.

8.2 km/L which is like 19mpg from the press release

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: Aikouka
I wonder what the fuel economy is on this thing... I was curious about it after I was tinkering with my headlights... that lead me to remember that Nissan put an updated version of their HIDs on the new GT-R. I had just filled up earlier, so then I got curious about the GT-R's gas mileage.

Apparently it is a ULEV vehicle, if Wiki is correct. That doesn't necessarily translate into good fuel economy but it sure won't get a gas guzzler tax.

8.2 km/L which is like 19mpg from the press release

The LEV series of monikers is hilarious to me 🙂

First, there was LEV (low emissions vehicle)

Then came ULEV (ULTRAAAA low emissions vehicle)

Then came SULEV (SUUUUPER ULTRAAAA low emissions vehicle)

Overzealous description FTW 😀

 

[Kelvrick]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: Aikouka
I wonder what the fuel economy is on this thing... I was curious about it after I was tinkering with my headlights... that lead me to remember that Nissan put an updated version of their HIDs on the new GT-R. I had just filled up earlier, so then I got curious about the GT-R's gas mileage.

Apparently it is a ULEV vehicle, if Wiki is correct. That doesn't necessarily translate into good fuel economy but it sure won't get a gas guzzler tax.

8.2 km/L which is like 19mpg from the press release

The LEV series of monikers is hilarious to me 🙂

First, there was LEV (low emissions vehicle)

Then came ULEV (ULTRAAAA low emissions vehicle)

Then came SULEV (SUUUUPER ULTRAAAA low emissions vehicle)

Overzealous description FTW 😀

Street Fighter 2, super ultra low emissions turbo vehicle?

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Kelvrick

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: Aikouka
I wonder what the fuel economy is on this thing... I was curious about it after I was tinkering with my headlights... that lead me to remember that Nissan put an updated version of their HIDs on the new GT-R. I had just filled up earlier, so then I got curious about the GT-R's gas mileage.

Apparently it is a ULEV vehicle, if Wiki is correct. That doesn't necessarily translate into good fuel economy but it sure won't get a gas guzzler tax.

8.2 km/L which is like 19mpg from the press release

The LEV series of monikers is hilarious to me 🙂

First, there was LEV (low emissions vehicle)

Then came ULEV (ULTRAAAA low emissions vehicle)

Then came SULEV (SUUUUPER ULTRAAAA low emissions vehicle)

Overzealous description FTW 😀

Street Fighter 2, super ultra low emissions turbo vehicle?

but what about hyper, brutal, master, awesome, blaster, monster, king, and killer? 🙁

</killer instinct> (super = 4 hit, ultra = finisher combo)

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: BouZouki
They need to use the dual clutch setup, it simply shifts faster and allows them to get the numbers they need.

The 911T with the tiptronic is faster than the manual version.


Of course you have lots of people who will easily sacrifice some performance for manual gearbox.

BMW always offers a 6 spd option on their SMG M models.

If my commute involved timed 0-60 tire smoking sprints from stop lights to impress others, then I'd pick SMG.
If my commute was sitting in traffic, I'd pick an auto.
Instead my weekday commute is simple hop on the freeway and go to work, and doing some MT shifting just makes it more interesting. My weekend commute is a trip up twisty mountain roads for some hiking and mountain biking, and I immensely enjoy rowing the gears while doing so.
For everyday car, a manual transmission car is going to be significantly more fun, because it requires more skill to execute perfect shifts, so it is more rewarding for your work. Pulling a lever to upshift and downshift an SMG or manual shift mode auto is going to be interesting for about 10 minutes for me. I would not pay more for an SMG to have less fun than a cheaper MT, just to brag to my friends that my car could in theory do half a second faster 0-60 run. I love the GT-R, but I'd rather save my money and get a G35 6MT. It's going to be a more rewarding car to drive.

You mine as well save even more money and get an old bug since the only thing that matters is shifting and not the HUGE gap in performance. Plus you would save even more money 😛

I do want the handling and the power, I just don't want to be robbed of the fun of shifting gears myself. Not too much to ask IMO, the competition seems perfectly capable of delivering that, see Corvette and 911.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: BouZouki
Thats great, but guess what, numbers sell.

An SMG or DSG setup is always going to be faster than a MT.

I sympathize all the MT purists but cars are out there to sell.

911 sells just fine with MT, as does the Corvette. The important number that sells is the number of pedals, as far as I am concerned. 50% more pedal = 50% more fun 😀

 

[overst33r]

http://www.edmunds.com/insidel....il.home.photopanel..1.*#

Edmunds review is up

 

[MixMasterTang]

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: Aikouka
I wonder what the fuel economy is on this thing... I was curious about it after I was tinkering with my headlights... that lead me to remember that Nissan put an updated version of their HIDs on the new GT-R. I had just filled up earlier, so then I got curious about the GT-R's gas mileage.

Apparently it is a ULEV vehicle, if Wiki is correct. That doesn't necessarily translate into good fuel economy but it sure won't get a gas guzzler tax.

8.2 km/L which is like 19mpg from the press release

The Car and Driver article says ..."the price will start at $69,850 plus destination and gas-guzzler charges which have yet to be determined"

 

[batmang]

Congrats to the GT-R. 911's are still bad as hell though!