C&C Generals strategies?? Just started playing..

[datalink7]

I like GLA.

I'll generally build bunkers all over the map. In a city this is potent as it comes with 2 rocket launcher guys to put in buildings.

Always send some builders with an attack force. This way, they can quickly build a bunker (it builds really fast) and you can get instant reinforcements.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

/bump

Started playing this recently at a LAN party. Go, Mad USA Rusher!

- M4H

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: FortFunFoSho
I cannot believe they would release a game so unfairly balanced..

Dont see this so much in WC3...

I don't see it as that unbalanced. For the newbies, China is clearly the superior choice. But if you know how to play GLA and USA well, China can definitely be defeated. I prefer USA myself.

 

[Marshallj]

If you look at the tournament ladders, about 60% of all the top 50 ranked players in the world use China. I can understand noobs not knowing how to use their forces correctly, but when the vast majority of the elite consistently win using one side (China), it's abundantly clear that they have an inherent advantage.

 

[Marauder-]

I've played a vast deal of RTSs and it just seems that China is far superior - I can't speak for the later updates as I didnt update mine originally but it's very unbalanced. I recall beating a bunch of brutal comps with a pair of lvl3 overlords. Everything needs a checks and balances and it just seems that there wasn't enough multiplayer playtesting.

 

[OulOat]

The game is unbalanced. IMHO, the GLA is a pain to micromanage. Suicides are great, but they have to be kept apart so they don't kill each other. Also, their defensive buildings are really lacking (big and easy to kill). I like the Chinese, with a good overlord and mig combo almost anything will die. Also, nukes are the best ultimate in the game. Nuke cannons are great if you can secure a choke, and gattling cannons are my favorite defensive building.

That said, I am surprised no one has mentioned the Humvee, 4 rocketers, and 1 pathfinder combo for the US. Mix in a couple with a group of paladins, you will have an overlord and GLA killer. Rocketers completely rape overlords, and if your Humvee dies (unloading does take some micro), you would still have rocketers and a sniper. Migs doesn't have a chance against the paladins laser and the rocketers missiles. GLA? Ha, what a joke. Pathfinders mow down SAM sites and angry mobs, while paladins keep all the angry missiles away. If the situation gets bad, you can always get some tomahawks as long range support. If the situation gets really bad, I always send in Colonel Burden to do some nasty bombings.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: FortFunFoSho
I cannot believe they would release a game so unfairly balanced..

Dont see this so much in WC3...

It's not unbalanced, you just have to know how to play.

Chinese are far easier to learn though. And if you have a limit on superweapons indeed most powerful.
If you don't however a few Ion cannons will quickly take care of those overlords.

Just like in WC 3 Undead is extremely powerful if you learn how to play it right.

 

[Marauder-]

Yeah GLA is also good to grab builders from b/c none of their stuff requires upkeep.

 

[ed21x]

no one here mentioned the GDI tomahawk missile launchers. These units have the greatest range in the game (greater than the scud launcher and mobile artillery), and keeping about five of them in back for micromanaging is great. Heck, it only takes four of them to fire all at once to take out a single overlord tank. Back that up with humvees filled with three rocket soldiers, one rangers, one sniper, and you have one heck of a force. A ton of people underestimate that a humvee filled with rocket soldiers can pretty much take out any tank in the game with the exception of an overlord. also, build a good number of ion canons (which recover faster than both the scud storm and nuke), and of course some supply drop off points, and you pretty much got the game.

As for china, having around 5 overlord tanks, 4 with gattling guns, and one with propaganda towers backed by migs is a pretty good combo. It might also be a good idea to put in some mounted bunkers with rocket soldiers also for some effective anti-air.

GLA has excellent anti air in the quad canon alone, so a bunch of those, and scorpions with rocket upgrade and some rocket buggies can create a really fast moving force that can be quite effective.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Just read about a GLA rush on another forum, where the GLA immediately sells the main building, and builds 2 supply places for fast cash, and 2 arms dealers.

One arms dealer immediately researches the rocket upgrade, the other starts on scorpion tanks, and the first also starts building those as soon as the upgrade is done. Then attack the opponent with a continuous stream of tanks.

You can also build a few suicide bombers to blow up his barracks and stuff.

 

[Jmmsbnd007]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: FortFunFoSho
I cannot believe they would release a game so unfairly balanced..

Dont see this so much in WC3...

It's not unbalanced, you just have to know how to play.

Chinese are far easier to learn though. And if you have a limit on superweapons indeed most powerful.
If you don't however a few Ion cannons will quickly take care of those overlords.

Just like in WC 3 Undead is extremely powerful if you learn how to play it right.

The whole idea is that you never let them get to a superweapon in the first place Even then, the force would be done by then. Just mash X for scatter

 

[Jmmsbnd007]

Originally posted by: Marshallj
If you look at the tournament ladders, about 60% of all the top 50 ranked players in the world use China. I can understand noobs not knowing how to use their forces correctly, but when the vast majority of the elite consistently win using one side (China), it's abundantly clear that they have an inherent advantage.

No, everyone else just sucks. View demos, you'll see that if you're good, it's really more dependant on player skill. Overlord rush? Pfft, mass them with rocket troopers and they fall out of the sky.

 

[OulOat]

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: Marshallj
If you look at the tournament ladders, about 60% of all the top 50 ranked players in the world use China. I can understand noobs not knowing how to use their forces correctly, but when the vast majority of the elite consistently win using one side (China), it's abundantly clear that they have an inherent advantage.

No, everyone else just sucks. View demos, you'll see that if you're good, it's really more dependant on player skill. Overlord rush? Pfft, mass them with rocket troopers and they fall out of the sky.

I dunno, rocketers are slow moving and the gattling cannons have longer range... In worse case the overlords can retreat while shooting at the rocketers...

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: OulOat
That said, I am surprised no one has mentioned the Humvee, 4 rocketers, and 1 pathfinder combo for the US.

Oh, that's a killer. You left out one tasty tidbit of that though. Wheel that thing just outside range of the GLA "Stinger Site Wall" - the Pathfinder shoots the RPG troopers dead, rendering the Stinger sites useless. Proceed to wheel in the heavy artillery.

Regarding China's "ownage" - dammit people, rush them. China has a mediocre early game compared to the USA/GLA (with the respective Humvee and Technical/Terrorist rushes) - just stomp them before the Overlords show up and you won't have that problem.

Edit - I'm a rush player myself, mostly USA. Something about a squad of Comanches, armed with Rocket Pods, before the four-minute mark, just cripples people.

- M4H

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: Marshallj
If you look at the tournament ladders, about 60% of all the top 50 ranked players in the world use China. I can understand noobs not knowing how to use their forces correctly, but when the vast majority of the elite consistently win using one side (China), it's abundantly clear that they have an inherent advantage.

No, everyone else just sucks. View demos, you'll see that if you're good, it's really more dependant on player skill. Overlord rush? Pfft, mass them with rocket troopers and they fall out of the sky.

Dude, I'm talking about *tournament level play*, not some sucky kid who just got the game. We're talking about the best players in the world here. And China consistently comes out on top.

 

[Marshallj]

We should all play sometime to see how we stack up against one another.

 

[UNCjigga]

rappel, rappel, rappel into buildings again and again!!!

Okay, not much of a strategy, but in the words of the immortal Cartman, "its shoo shweeet..."

 

[Jmmsbnd007]

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: Marshallj
If you look at the tournament ladders, about 60% of all the top 50 ranked players in the world use China. I can understand noobs not knowing how to use their forces correctly, but when the vast majority of the elite consistently win using one side (China), it's abundantly clear that they have an inherent advantage.

No, everyone else just sucks. View demos, you'll see that if you're good, it's really more dependant on player skill. Overlord rush? Pfft, mass them with rocket troopers and they fall out of the sky.

Dude, I'm talking about *tournament level play*, not some sucky kid who just got the game. We're talking about the best players in the world here. And China consistently comes out on top.

And which ladder is this? I have seen plenty of replays of people beating expert china players.

 

[Jmmsbnd007]

Originally posted by: OulOat

Originally posted by: Jmmsbnd007

Originally posted by: Marshallj
If you look at the tournament ladders, about 60% of all the top 50 ranked players in the world use China. I can understand noobs not knowing how to use their forces correctly, but when the vast majority of the elite consistently win using one side (China), it's abundantly clear that they have an inherent advantage.

No, everyone else just sucks. View demos, you'll see that if you're good, it's really more dependant on player skill. Overlord rush? Pfft, mass them with rocket troopers and they fall out of the sky.

I dunno, rocketers are slow moving and the gattling cannons have longer range... In worse case the overlords can retreat while shooting at the rocketers...

Garrison. You don't use them to attack, just to defend.

 

[Marshallj]

Does anybody want to play me in Generals? That way we can see how your view stacks up against mine.

 

[Justorq]

The Ladder in Generals is not representative of reality ... cuz people cheat a lot ... i mean ... if someone is losing ... all they have to do is alt f4 and they don't lose a point !
Oh and it's pretty easy to destroy a overlord rush ... you just have to know how !

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: Justorq
The Ladder in Generals is not representative of reality ... cuz people cheat a lot ... i mean ... if someone is losing ... all they have to do is alt f4 and they don't lose a point !
Oh and it's pretty easy to destroy a overlord rush ... you just have to know how !

The ladder tournaments are monitored by EA, so you cannot cheat on those. If you're caught cheating, you're disqualified and banned from the Generals Online board.

 

[Jmmsbnd007]

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: Justorq
The Ladder in Generals is not representative of reality ... cuz people cheat a lot ... i mean ... if someone is losing ... all they have to do is alt f4 and they don't lose a point !
Oh and it's pretty easy to destroy a overlord rush ... you just have to know how !

The ladder tournaments are monitored by EA, so you cannot cheat on those. If you're caught cheating, you're disqualified and banned from the Generals Online board.

Do they pay attention to mismatches and alt+f4s?

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Marshallj
If you look at the tournament ladders, about 60% of all the top 50 ranked players in the world use China. I can understand noobs not knowing how to use their forces correctly, but when the vast majority of the elite consistently win using one side (China), it's abundantly clear that they have an inherent advantage.

That doesn't mean much... it could just be because China was easiest to learn, so they stuck with it.

Where's the link to the rankings anyways?

 

[datalink7]

I pulled off something cool against a friend the other day. I was GLA, he was China.

I sent in suicide trucks and busted a hole in his defenses. It was quickly covered by defense units, but the point was knocking out everything that could see cloaking.

I sent in the special character (can never remember his name). Cloaked, he quickly ran through enemy lines. I reached the overlord staging area. There were five currenly. I sniped the driver out of three of them before he could kill my guy with his migs. Then I used the ambush general ability to make 8 guys appear around the overlords. I captured the 3 without drivers, and used them to destory the other two. Then I went on a rampage. I destroyed quite a bit of his innner base before he managed to kill them.

He was too far gone after that. It was game over