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Via said:
Yeah, those waiters living high on the hog. That gravy train has got to stop.
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EVERYONE has to pay taxes on their income. A big problem with our budget is theres too many fucking loopholes and too many people outright lying.

Maybe of everyone was actually forced to pay all their taxes they'd care more about what the government does to them and milks them for.
Maybe they'd stop electing assholes who want to bleed America dry.
 
JEDI said:
wished all states required that. then we can ban tipping all together since we all will now know everyone is making at least $7.25/hr.
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Guess it's a good thing that the federal government requires it. And it's $2.13/hr from a federal standpoint.
 
Yeah, yeah, yeah - everyone should pay taxes, blah,blah,blah

Except for corporations and the rich of course, who offshore TRILLIONS to avoid paying taxes.

Not millions, not billions, TRILLIONS.

LOL - instead, lets go after Bonny, the single mom who just made $37 in tips during an 8 hour shift and didn't claim all of it because she can barely make the rent.

Ain't life grand?
 
Via said:
Yeah, yeah, yeah - everyone should pay taxes, blah,blah,blah

Except for corporations and the rich of course, who offshore TRILLIONS to avoid paying taxes.

Not millions, not billions, TRILLIONS.

LOL - instead, lets go after Bonny, the single mom who just made $37 in tips during an 8 hour shift and didn't claim all of it because she can barely make the rent.

Ain't life grand?
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So don't tax them but tax the guy who picks up your trash? Yea, sounds fair.
 
lupi said:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323893004579055224175110910.html


An updated tax rule is causing restaurants to rethink the practice of adding automatic tips to the tabs of large parties.

Starting in January, the Internal Revenue Service will begin classifying those automatic gratuities as service charges—which it treats as regular wages, subject to payroll tax withholding—instead of tips, which restaurants leave up to the employees to report as income.

The change would mean more paperwork and added costs for the restaurants—and a potential financial hit for waiters and waitresses who live on their tips but don't always report them fully.
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Hold on a minute. You mean adding an automatic "tip" isn't the same as tipping for good service. Sheesh I never would have realised that.
 
Via said:
The guy who picks up my trash makes decent money and has a pension.
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If I get a small performance related bonus at work ($100-$500, as a thank you for good work...a tip if you will) it gets taxed, there is no reason that tips for wait staff shouldn't be taxed as well.

Of course, this is akin to taxing Internet purchases - nobody likes it even though they know deep down they should have been doing it all along (or declaring & paying their state's use tax).
 
Wonderful Pork said:
If I get a small performance related bonus at work ($100-$500, as a thank you for good work...a tip if you will) it gets taxed, there is no reason that tips for wait staff shouldn't be taxed as well.

Of course, this is akin to taxing Internet purchases - nobody likes it even though they know deep down they should have been doing it all along (or declaring & paying their state's use tax).
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If you work at a place that gives you a performance bonus you have something generally described as a good job, and you shouldn't concern yourself whether a single mom scraping $150 a week waiting tables is declaring every penny of that money.

I was an assistant manager for a restaurant for almost two years, so I've seen it all many times over, and trust me: the huge majority of servers (I'd estimate 95%+) would gladly take your job and pay taxes on your bonus.
 
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Wonderful Pork said:
If I get a small performance related bonus at work ($100-$500, as a thank you for good work...a tip if you will) it gets taxed, there is no reason that tips for wait staff shouldn't be taxed as well.

Of course, this is akin to taxing Internet purchases - nobody likes it even though they know deep down they should have been doing it all along (or declaring & paying their state's use tax).
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I've heard a lot of arguments why only using consumption (sales) taxes would be better than this mix of income, property, and sales tax to pay for things.

If you want lots of cool shit, you gotta pay for it. If you are just getting by with food, shelter, and clothing, you dont get bled to death. You can only have toys and shit when you can afford to pay for it.
 
lxskllr said:
I always leave cash as a tip, even if paying by card. If I don't have enough cash for a tip, I don't eat out, or I get fast food somewhere.
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Same here. I also make sure I cross out the Tip section on the receipt, some waiters like to add their own.
 
HeXen said:
I also make sure I cross out the Tip section on the receipt, some waiters like to add their own.
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I do that too. I've never had a waiter scam money from me, but I've heard of it happening. All fields get filled with the correct amounts, and the Tip section gets N/A.
 
shortylickens said:
I've heard a lot of arguments why only using consumption (sales) taxes would be better than this mix of income, property, and sales tax to pay for things.

If you want lots of cool shit, you gotta pay for it. If you are just getting by with food, shelter, and clothing, you dont get bled to death. You can only have toys and shit when you can afford to pay for it.
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One reason I love living in a state without income tax. I bought property/a house...I pay tax on it. I buy shit (not on Amazon, for the next 4 months), I pay tax on it. But, I don't pay extra tax on money I earn.
 
Just wave your arm at the elbow with your palm up/facing out, fingers extended and say "bye, bye".
 
shortylickens said:
those pensions are a HUGE reason why so many companies cant make a profit, government too.

The postal worker pensions are going to kill postal service very soon.
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Only because a Republican Congress decided to pass a law requiring the postal service to prepay pension/health benefits.

Why don't we pass a law that requires the pre-payment of all government and military pensions, and then see how the Postal Service stacks up. Here is a hint, not any worse. That said it looks like pensions for federal employees are going to be tweaked in the next year or so. There is already a pick up in retirements because of expected changes. IE: Getting out of service will the getting is still good.
 
PenguinPower said:
One reason I love living in a state without income tax. I bought property/a house...I pay tax on it. I buy shit (not on Amazon, for the next 4 months), I pay tax on it. But, I don't pay extra tax on money I earn.
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Depends on how high property taxes are. Several no income tax states more or less have a property tax that is a defacto income tax because it is so high(and the fact people tend to get as much house as they can at their income level). Most of Texas has absurdly high property taxes because debt is shifted to the local levels and property taxes go to service that debt. $5k on a $250k house with no income tax or $1.5k on a $250k house with a modest income tax is a wash/state with income tax could come out a head depending on the persons income.
 
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Because the USPS is a federal agency older postal workers get civil service retirement and younger ones are in the Federal Employees Retirement System just like all other federal employees. In FERS there is a small basic retirement plus Social Security supplemented by the Thrift Savings Plan which works like a 401(k).
 
Wreckem said:
Depends on how high property taxes are. Several no income tax states more or less have a property tax that is a defacto income tax because it is so high(and the fact people tend to get as much how as the can at their income level). Most of Texas has absurdly high property taxes because debt is shifted to the local levels and property taxes go to service that debt. $5k on a $250k house with no income tax or $1.5k on a $250k house with a modest income tax is a wash/state with income tax could come out a head depending on the persons income.
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Sucks for them. I owe about $9k/yr on a $1.5m house with a 0% income tax/9.25% sales tax. I prefer that.
 
PenguinPower said:
Sucks for them. I owe about $9k/yr on a $1.5m house with a 0% income tax/9.25% sales tax. I prefer that.
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Surprisingly libtopia Washington State is on the other end of the spectrum from Texas.

No income tax. Low property tax. High regressive sales tax. People that live in Washington State on the border with Oregon get it best: low property tax, no income tax(living in Washington), and no sales tax(because they can shop in Oregon).
 
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The concept of auto tip is retarded. Chances are that money does not even go to the waitress anyway. They probably just get a small percentage. I rather choose myself if I want to tip and by tipping it shows that I appreciated the service. I too try to always do it in cash. Even pizza delivery a lot of them have the option to do it via credit card, but I just put 0 and give them cash. I already paid taxes when I earned that money, why should it be taxed again?
 
Wreckem said:
Only because a Republican Congress decided to pass a law requiring the postal service to prepay pension/health benefits.

Why don't we pass a law that requires the pre-payment of all government and military pensions, and then see how the Postal Service stacks up. Here is a hint, not any worse. That said it looks like pensions for federal employees are going to be tweaked in the next year or so. There is already a pick up in retirements because of expected changes. IE: Getting out of service will the getting is still good.
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I'm fine with that. I actually want people to pay for the shit they get. Theres no such thing as "free". Everything you get and/or use up has to come from somewhere. Thats one of the core principles in economics.
 
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