Bye Bernie

Viper1j

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Bernie Madoff, infamous Ponzi schemer, has died
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Bernard Madoff, whose name became synonymous with financial fraud, died while serving a 150-year sentence in Federal Prison. He was 82 years old.
His death Wednesday at the Federal Medical Center in the prison in Butner, North Carolina, was confirmed by the US Bureau of Prisons. A cause of death was not released.
In February 2020, he petitioned the courts for an early release from prison, stating that he had terminal kidney failure and a life expectancy of less than 18 months. But the US Attorney's office for the southern district of New York said Madoff's crime was "unprecedented in scope and magnitude" and is "sufficient reason" to deny Madoff's request.
Madoff was the mastermind behind a $20 billion Ponzi scheme -- the largest financial fraud in history.
He had a legendary career on Wall Street, famously delivering astronomical returns for his investors, which included director Steven Spielberg, actors Kevin Bacon and Kyra Sedgwick and New York Mets owner Fred Wilpon.
He served as chairman of the Nasdaq for several years in the 1990s and amassed beach houses, boats and a Manhattan penthouse. But Madoff was arrested in 2008 and pleaded guilty to eleven felony charges in 2009. He had been using money from new investors to pay back earlier investors. He supposedly had a total of $65 billion under management, but two thirds of that money was a figment of Bernie Madoff's imagination. The rest was his investors' principle.
Madoff founded Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities in 1960, but no one has been able to prove when Madoff began stealing from investors.
He told CNNMoney in a 2013 interview that it all started in 1987, but he later said the scheme began in 1992. Madoff's former account manager, Frank DiPascali, Jr., said in court testimony that financial misdeeds had been going on "for as long as I remember." He started working at the firm in 1975.
Irving Picard, the court-appointed trustee charged with recovering assets stolen by Madoff, together with the Department of Justice, had recovered tens of billions of dollars, distributing the vast majority to Madoff victims. In addition, the Securities Investor Protection Corporation has provided $600 million in insurance to victims.

Madoff was born April 29, 1938 in New York City's borough of Queens, where he met his wife Ruth in high school. They had two sons, both of whom worked for their father's firm. Mark killed himself in 2010.

Madoff's brother Peter also served a 10-year prison sentence for his involvement in the scheme. He was sentenced in 2012.
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People like Kevin Bacon and Larry King made bank with him.

Everyone else? Not so much.

But why would ANYONE give their money to someone named "Made off"?
 

Leymenaide

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Bernie I could never angry it just seemed he was taking the market to it's obvious place with a few short cuts. A less than evil genius. The stock market has no base in rational thinking it is all a giant ponzi scheme. If you cared to look he showed the truth. I think he was nuts but the nut was showing the way.
 

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Bernie I could never angry it just seemed he was taking the market to it's obvious place with a few short cuts. A less than evil genius. The stock market has no base in rational thinking it is all a giant ponzi scheme. If you cared to look he showed the truth. I think he was nuts but the nut was showing the way.
I don't think he was nuts at all. I think he was morally bankrupt. He hurt a lot of people . . . people who put their trust and their financial futures in his hands.

Yeah, the whole financial system seems to "have no base in rational thinking," but painting him as some essentially harmless guy who, as you put it, "If you cared to look he showed the truth" is like saying that, yes, murder "has no base in rational thinking" so then the Holocaust was just Hitler and the Nazis, "If you cared to look" just, you know, showing you the truth.
 

Moonbeam

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Would be interesting to examine his brain for possible defects where conscience is theorized to reside. The guy was a monster who took advantage of trusting people destroying many lives.
 

Leymenaide

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Would be interesting to examine his brain for possible defects where conscience is theorized to reside. The guy was a monster who took advantage of trusting people destroying many lives.
What makes him different than the average stock broker or talking head on a financial network?
 
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Jaskalas

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Madoff became a criminal because his scheme was less complex than the typical corporation. Cause I think most of them these days operate on a loot and run scam. Especially when a hedgefund is involved. Even if a product is good, it must be "updated" to be more profitable. Sure, they'll benefit shareholders today. But they'll know to abandon ship prior to a consumer revolt.

I struggle to find the difference, aside from Madoff took the easy route to playing the scheme, while others get to "hide" their intentions behind more complex products and companies. But the end result appears to be a very similar destination.
 
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Bernie I could never angry it just seemed he was taking the market to it's obvious place with a few short cuts. A less than evil genius. The stock market has no base in rational thinking it is all a giant ponzi scheme. If you cared to look he showed the truth. I think he was nuts but the nut was showing the way.
Humans were born to trust. It is a sacred thing. Only via trust that life is good can we know the joy of being. A man like the non-entity under discussion here, a former member of the walking dead, stole money, yes, but his real crime was to violate the sacred.

Perhaps when you minimize his crime in your head you are trying to protect yourself from feeling that. One of the ego’s tricks is to feign indifference by telling ourselves we are sophisticated in out world view of things.

Anyway, what I know is that I feel toward that thing enormous rage.
 
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Bernie is living proof that you can disobey laws, fuck people over, etc... and simply get a finger-wag and small "cost of doing business" fine from government, no jail time, etc... as clearly seen over the years with housing crisis, Enron, etc.. etc.. etc...


But if you fucking touch other rich-people's money your ass is in jail for life. Funny how things work.
 

Viper1j

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Bernie is living proof that you can disobey laws, fuck people over, etc... and simply get a finger-wag and small "cost of doing business" fine from government, no jail time, etc... as clearly seen over the years with housing crisis, Enron, etc.. etc.. etc...


But if you fucking touch other rich-people's money your ass is in jail for life. Funny how things work.

Bernie WAS living proof that you can disobey laws, fuck people over, etc.

Fixed that for you.

You're welcome.
 

Captante

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While under most circumstances I hesitate to speak ill of the dead, as a lifelong Met's fan in this case I'll make an exception.

Don't let the door smack you in the rear-end Bernie... good riddance.
 

woolfe9998

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What makes him different than the average stock broker or talking head on a financial network?

It doesn't work that way. You first explain why you think the two are equivalent. Then we decide if we agree or not.

So let's start like this. What is it that the "average stock broker" does which is similar to if not equivalent to what Madoff did?
 
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While under most circumstances I hesitate to speak ill of the dead, as a lifelong Met's fan in this case I'll make an exception.

Don't let the door smack you in the rear-end Bernie... good riddance.

As a Mets partisan also, this is just....so Mets. You probably know this better than I do, but I seem to recall that one of the main reasons to invest with Madoff was so that they could afford Bobby Bonilla's lifetime salary?


lol. I love Bobby Bonilla day. Once again....so Mets.
 
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Viper1j

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It doesn't work that way. You first explain why you think the two are equivalent. Then we decide if we agree or not.

So let's start like this. What is it that the "average stock broker" does which is similar to if not equivalent to what Madoff did?

The exception being, it doesn't really matter when the answer is zero.

If you haven't seen it, there's a movie you should definitely check out.

"Assault on Wall Street".

Even when they don't go to prison, they don't always get away with it.