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Buying Winchester this weekend....

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PhoenixOrion

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New box and will be used mainly for digital video editing and a lot of Everquest II.

Will be paired up with ATI 9800Pro.

Video editing will be with Adobe Premiere Pro with AfterEffects.

Probably no OC on this setup.
 
If your not going to oc get the 3500...

If your going to oc get the 3200. It has the 10x multi.
 
If I go for 3200 and OC it,
are there good recommendations for ram if i go for 2x1GB modules?

I want two sticks @2GB to help out vid editing.
 
I will go for 3000, and OC that thing to 250-270 FSB. 3200 is 50 dollar more, and even iif u OC that thing, u will have to lower ur Multi to get higher FSB. 150-200 thats 1/4 more on price. Running on stock 3200 will bue 1/20 faster maybe 🙂 but if OC, the performance will end up about the same. So no point wasting extra 50 dollar. Im getting my AMD 64 3000 939 this week too 🙂 so far I got the ABit AV8 from microcenter for 50 dollar after rebate which u might want to look into🙂
 
3500+. its the best of those and still not unreasonable expensive (like a 4000+ or fx). plus even if you oc chances are youll get the 3500+ higher than the 3200+ or 3000+ (even tho you could get lucky with one of the cheaper parts.)
 
If you get a 3000+ the highest multi you can use is x9.
Thats a little low. You would need some good pc3200 - pc3500 to hit a nice 2.5ghz overclock with good timings.

If you want to hit 2.5ghz with the 3000+ you would need a HTT of 278mhz.
If you want to hit 2.5ghz with the 3200+ you would need a HTT of 250mhz.

I would suggest getting the 3200+ and overclocking it.
 
I recomment the 3000+, as the multiplier wont matter much, because unless you have phase change cooling, your chip wont break 2.6-2.7 gauranteed, so If you get a mobo that can do 290-300 fsb, just make a divider, as it doesnt affect performance on A64's due to their on chip memory controller.
 
Originally posted by: TerminatorEX
I will go for 3000, and OC that thing to 250-270 FSB. 3200 is 50 dollar more, and even iif u OC that thing, u will have to lower ur Multi to get higher FSB. 150-200 thats 1/4 more on price. Running on stock 3200 will bue 1/20 faster maybe 🙂 but if OC, the performance will end up about the same. So no point wasting extra 50 dollar. Im getting my AMD 64 3000 939 this week too 🙂 so far I got the ABit AV8 from microcenter for 50 dollar after rebate which u might want to look into🙂
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Where did you see the $50 Abit MB at Microcenter? I only found it for $135-$20 rebate here : http://microcenter.com/single_...html?product_id=176277

Is it BM deal?
 
U need to sign up for the creditcard 🙂 if u buy CPU + MB u get 100 dollar back. and if u only buy the MB u will receive 50 dollar bak. So if u can find a s*cker that buy a cheap Celeron D and tell him to pay u what ever, u can save more🙂 Microceter's rebate is legit, my friend he got it bak in less than 6 weeks
 
Wait, don't they all have 200mhz FSB? That means the 3000+ has a 9x multiplier, the 3200+ has 10x, and the 3500+ has a 11x? Correct me if I'm wrong though...
 
if you go the 3500 route can a person cut back on quality of ram? The price of ocz ram has gone up $13 for a gig of OCZ 3200 (does this have anything to do with ram being recommended by websites as the "best" for o/c...hehe...supply and demand... oh well...)

pay more for cpu...cut back on $ spent for ram....still can get you to 2.5 or 2.6... just my way of thinking
 
Price diff for .90 procs seems to be $40 fror that extra 1 multiplier between the 3000+ and 3200+ but jumps to double that + $80 from the 3200+ to 3500+.

3200+ looks like the best performance value, 10x multiplier
 
Actually the Winchester 3200+ is 184 bucks OEM, while the Winchester 3500+ is 252 bucks OEM. Prices from Monarchcomputer.com
 
either way the 3500+ piece is superior and will most likely clock higher than the 3200+ and 3000+ under same conditions. its less of a gamble in my book.
 
3500+ is definately less of a gamble all things being equal to reach a certain speed but that is a $76 premium for that potential that a 1x multiplier will give you.
 
Originally posted by: tallman45
3500+ is definately less of a gamble all things being equal to reach a certain speed but that is a $76 premium for that potential that a 1x multiplier will give you.
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its not just the multiplier they test the silicon pieces and use best ones for 3500+. as soon as a higher rated winchester comes along theyll use the best parts for that one and the ones that dont quite make it for the 3500+. when the process becomes more mature the yields get better and they introduce higher clocked models there wont be much of a difference for the clockspeeds we have right now cuz theyll all be able to do 3500+ with 1.4v easily...

thats the way it works. even if you oc the 3500+ with a lower multiplicator to the same frequency you oc a 3000+ the 3500+ should be able to do this with lower V.

im no expert in this matter tho, feel free to correct me if you know better.
 
Originally posted by: Thermalrock

its not just the multiplier they test the silicon pieces and use best ones for 3500+. as soon as a higher rated winchester comes along theyll use the best parts for that one and the ones that dont quite make it for the 3500+. when the process becomes more mature the yields get better and they introduce higher clocked models there wont be much of a difference for the clockspeeds we have right now cuz theyll all be able to do 3500+ with 1.4v easily...

thats the way it works. even if you oc the 3500+ with a lower multiplicator to the same frequency you oc a 3000+ the 3500+ should be able to do this with lower V.

im no expert in this matter tho, feel free to correct me if you know better.
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MULTIPLICATOR!! YAY!!

Anyway I couldn't put it any better. The 3500+ gets a higher stock clock speed with the extra mulitplier but still runs off the same voltage as the 3200+ and the 3000+ at 1.5v. So you could OC the 3500+ to higher than the other two with the same voltage, and playing with voltage isn't safe or fun, imo. The 3500+ is definately less of a gamble.
 
3500+ , I have the 130nm and it reaches 2.6 if i want it to 😉, but I leave it at 2.4. It's more than enough.

edit btw.. thats just bumping the voltage .05 to 1.55 which is entirely safe
 
since the 4000+ is .09 too id even get that one if it werent so pricey or i didnt plan on getting a dual core athlon next year anyway. anyway im getting the 3500 .09. ~280 bucks isnt too much asked for a cpu this nice.
 
Originally posted by: Thermalrock
since the 4000+ is .09 too id even get that one if it werent so pricey or i didnt plan on getting a dual core athlon next year anyway. anyway im getting the 3500 .09. ~280 bucks isnt too much asked for a cpu this nice.
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The 4000+ isn't available in 90nm. It is 130nm.
 
Originally posted by: bigal40
Originally posted by: Thermalrock
since the 4000+ is .09 too id even get that one if it werent so pricey or i didnt plan on getting a dual core athlon next year anyway. anyway im getting the 3500 .09. ~280 bucks isnt too much asked for a cpu this nice.
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The 4000+ isn't available in 90nm. It is 130nm.
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Also, I think Monarchcomputer just dropped the prices on all their CPUs. The 4000+ is now down to 699 and the .90nm Winchester 3500+ is now 252.
 
Originally posted by: bigal40
Originally posted by: Thermalrock
since the 4000+ is .09 too id even get that one if it werent so pricey or i didnt plan on getting a dual core athlon next year anyway. anyway im getting the 3500 .09. ~280 bucks isnt too much asked for a cpu this nice.
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The 4000+ isn't available in 90nm. It is 130nm.
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the 4000+ they sell here is a winchester.
 
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