Buying new system, Question about CPU to get

[Jmman]

Hell, for $3000 you can buy my FX system that has even better components than that one and probably looks better too.....

 

[nick1985]

what a waste of cash....


you make baby jesus cry when you overpay for a computer.

 

[SickBeast]

This may upset you but my overclocked Athlon XP Mobile at 2600mhz is faster to the FX53 in many respects. I'm not saying it's faster overall but it's close in many areas.

$3000 is way too much to spend on a computer and borders on ludicrous/rediculous. If you want to spend that much money, just get tons of extras like a really nice printer, scanner, mouse, monitor, dvd burner, etc etc. Why not get a 2800+ A64 and overclock it?

I dunno, personally I think the Mobile Athlons are where it's at right now. The A64 is nice if you must have the best, but the mobiles are fine IMO. I'll probably get flamed for this but whatever.

 

[DaNorthface]

sure it will save you lots of cash if you build your own, but telling someone to do it themselves who has never done with before isn't the best idea. It takes alot of planning and research to build a great system if you don't have the background.. and even if you have the background, technology changes fast. For example, just choosing a dvd writer could be a pain... Anyone can learn to put a system together, but will it be stable and look as good as an alienware? I've seen a lot of home built systems and they just look like a mess..

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: DaNorthface
sure it will save you lots of cash if you build your own, but telling someone to do it themselves who has never done with before isn't the best idea. It takes alot of planning and research to build a great system if you don't have the background.. and even if you have the background, technology changes fast. For example, just choosing a dvd writer could be a pain... Anyone can learn to put a system together, but will it be stable and look as good as an alienware? I've seen a lot of home built systems and they just look like a mess..

i disagree. it wasnt like building a rocket, all you need is a screwdriver and half of a brain to assemble a computer. i have put together about 15 and they all look great, inside and out. take a look at mechbons guide, it makes computer building for n00bs easy.

 

[Marth]

Alienware is overpriced crap. Save your money and build the computer yourself. It's not hard and there are a lot of guides online that give you advice on how to put together a computer. You could price all those components for a lot less than what alienware is giving you.

 

[DaNorthface]

Originally posted by: nick1985
i disagree. it wasnt like building a rocket, all you need is a screwdriver and half of a brain to assemble a computer. i have put together about 15 and they all look great, inside and out. take a look at mechbons guide, it makes computer building for n00bs easy.

do you have any pictures of your computers?

 

[RadioHead84]

and if you are worried on what type of parts to get...just get a list and then ahve it checked over by friends and this site...

 

[SilverBack]

Shoot, I own a very similar system to your high price one, only I'm running Raptors in RAID 0.

I could build you that system for $1000 less. With a Raptor RAID.
As far as seeing one of my systems here is one:
My P4 system

My system
FX 53 2400 @ 2700Mhz
ATI X800 Pro
Asus SK8V
2 (512) Corsair XMS 3200LL RE Cas 2
2 (Raptor SATA 74 gb 8mb cache) RAID 0 Promise 378 controller
2 (Samsung SATA 120 GB 8mb cache) RAID 0 VIA RAID controller
Nec 2500A 8x DVD Burner
Antec 550W power supply
DangerDen Maze 4 CPU and GPU Watercooling

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: DaNorthface

Originally posted by: nick1985
i disagree. it wasnt like building a rocket, all you need is a screwdriver and half of a brain to assemble a computer. i have put together about 15 and they all look great, inside and out. take a look at mechbons guide, it makes computer building for n00bs easy.

do you have any pictures of your computers?

warning. not 56k FRIENDLY

HORRIBLE pic of my brothers

pic of a friends i made

same friends, no lights

bad pic of mine

my feet mod

my inside

my latest mod

i wish i had pics of all of the computers i have built. i really should keep a collection

 

[Mloot]

That a heck of an FX system you got there, Silverback.

 

[BlindBartimaeus]

This may upset you but my overclocked Athlon XP Mobile at 2600mhz is faster to the FX53 in many respects. I'm not saying it's faster overall but it's close in many areas.

There is no way you can be serious about THIS. First 2600Mhz on a mobile is an incredible feat and I have not gotten one to go that high anyway. Two you really give up 4-600 Mhz on similar Athlon/A64 setups. Three there are certain limitations to the XP core that if you were going to do anything other than older games you are still better off with the newer core. Fourth if you buy that you have almost NO chance of upgrade in the future. I think Socket 754 is going to be around for a while. Additionally when the .09 micron CPU's come out with a 3000+ it should be able to hit the 2.7 ish area on air.

Currently I am rock solid 2.4 gig with a stock 3000+ with the stock cooler although I did put Artic Silver ceramique on it. This is light years faster than my 2500 @ 2.4 gig.

Just weighing in on the fact that benchmarks do not tell the whole story.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: SilverBack
Shoot, I own a very similar system to your high price one, only I'm running Raptors in RAID 0.

I could build you that system for $1000 less. With a Raptor RAID.
As far as seeing one of my systems here is one:
My P4 system

My system
FX 53 2400 @ 2700Mhz
ATI X800 Pro
Asus SK8V
2 (512) Corsair XMS 3200LL RE Cas 2
2 (Raptor SATA 74 gb 8mb cache) RAID 0 Promise 378 controller
2 (Samsung SATA 120 GB 8mb cache) RAID 0 VIA RAID controller
Nec 2500A 8x DVD Burner
Antec 550W power supply
DangerDen Maze 4 CPU and GPU Watercooling

You think he knows what raptor raid is shopping at AW? Details would help. And frankly I find it hard to believe you could build a system for less than $1000 with RR. I'll try.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: SilverBack
Shoot, I own a very similar system to your high price one, only I'm running Raptors in RAID 0.

I could build you that system for $1000 less. With a Raptor RAID.
As far as seeing one of my systems here is one:
My P4 system

My system
FX 53 2400 @ 2700Mhz
ATI X800 Pro
Asus SK8V
2 (512) Corsair XMS 3200LL RE Cas 2
2 (Raptor SATA 74 gb 8mb cache) RAID 0 Promise 378 controller
2 (Samsung SATA 120 GB 8mb cache) RAID 0 VIA RAID controller
Nec 2500A 8x DVD Burner
Antec 550W power supply
DangerDen Maze 4 CPU and GPU Watercooling

You think he knows what raptor raid is shopping at AW? Details would help. And frankly I find it hard to believe you could build a system for less than $1000 with RR. I'll try.

he said 1000 less, not less than 1000

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: SilverBack
Shoot, I own a very similar system to your high price one, only I'm running Raptors in RAID 0.

I could build you that system for $1000 less. With a Raptor RAID.
As far as seeing one of my systems here is one:
My P4 system

My system
FX 53 2400 @ 2700Mhz
ATI X800 Pro
Asus SK8V
2 (512) Corsair XMS 3200LL RE Cas 2
2 (Raptor SATA 74 gb 8mb cache) RAID 0 Promise 378 controller
2 (Samsung SATA 120 GB 8mb cache) RAID 0 VIA RAID controller
Nec 2500A 8x DVD Burner
Antec 550W power supply
DangerDen Maze 4 CPU and GPU Watercooling

You think he knows what raptor raid is shopping at AW? Details would help. And frankly I find it hard to believe you could build a system for less than $1000 with RR. I'll try.

he said 1000 less, not less than 1000

Ahh my bad silverback.

 

[Zebo]

Space ghost I would NOT buy an FX or a64, the PIV is a way better deal. Get a 2.8C set bus to 250 and memory running at 1:1 and you have 3.5 which will annihilate those two in most tasks at 1/3 the cost.

Anyway here's what I'd build if spending your money It's better in most areas plus you get a 21" Samsung LCD and excellent speakers/moouse/keyboard.

Cases (Computer Cases, ATX Form)
ANTEC Performance Plus Case with 430W Power Supply, Model "PLUS1080AMG" -RETAIL
$106.00

CD/DVD Burners (RW Drives)
Samsung Black 52X32X52X16 DVD/CD-RW Combo Drive, Model SM-352NENB, OEM
$50.00

NEC 8X Black DVD+RW/-RW Drive, Model ND-2500A, OEM Bulk
$77.99

Fans, Heatsinks (Case, CPU, Chipset)
ZALMAN CNPS7000A-AlCu Aluminum + Copper CPU Cooler
$35.99

Floppy Drives
Alps Black 3.5inch Floppy Disk Drive, Model DF354H121F, OEM
$11.99

Hard Drives
Western Digital Raptor 74GB 10,000RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model WD740GD, OEM Drive Only
$212.00

Keyboards and Mouse
Microsoft Black Multimedia Keyboard & Wheel Mouse Optical Bundle PS/2 102keys -OEM
$36.00

Memory (System Memory)
Mushkin 184 Pin 1GB(512MBx2) DDR PC-3200 "222 Special" Dual Pack - Retail
$339.00

Monitors - LCD Flat Panel
SAMSUNG 213T-Black 21" LCD Monitor ?RETAIL
$1,190.00

Motherboards - Intel
ABIT "IS7" i865PE Chipset Motherboard for Intel Socket 478 CPU -RETAIL
$95.00

Processors
Intel Pentium 4/ 2.8C GHz 800MHz FSB, 512K Cache, Hyper Threading Technology - Retail
$178.00

Speakers
Logitech THX Certified Z-680 5.1 Speaker 500Watt Silver -RETAIL
$265.00

Video Cards
Sapphire Radeon 9800PRO Video Card
$175.00

Total (Before tax): $ 2,771.97

 

[clarkey01]

fanboy, a fx -53 at stock speed or overclocked will do anything the PIV does at 3.5Ghz , only thing it does not win is encoding which we all know, but it aint like its miles behind.

FX-53 @ 2700 Mhz is a bad best, you'd need an PIV @ 4ghz to 4.2 to even match it, more even.

FX-53 all the way, devalued Mhz is only a ploy of the P4, Intel now knows this hence why they scraped Tejas and are using AMD's approach with the higher IPC'S in the pentium M.

 

[clarkey01]

beast* cant use the edit for some reason

 

[spaceghost21]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Anyway here's what I'd build if spending your money It's better in most areas plus you get a 21" Samsung LCD and excellent speakers/moouse/keyboard.

Monitors - LCD Flat Panel
SAMSUNG 213T-Black 21" LCD Monitor ?RETAIL
$1,190.00


Total (Before tax): $ 2,771.97

I've read LCD's blur in some games, which is what I'm going to be mainly using this system for. Does anyone know if this true?

 

[spaceghost21]

So now that I've decided to go with you guys and build my own system where should I buy the parts from? I could go with cheapest deals on PriceWatch but a lot of these are from companies I've never heard of, are all these places trustworthy or do I run the chance of getting a dud part or something along those lines? ALso on my HDD is 10,000rpm noticably faster 7,200rpm?

Thanks again, you guys have been great.

 

[clarkey01]

a little bit fast but nothing that'd shock you, go for it, all the glitz , you sound loaded

 

[imported_TheCadMan]

In my opinion it is a litte premature to go with anything right now i would wait till Q4 this year or 1Q next year. That's because we are currently in a tech changeover to PCI Express and socket 939. But if you must go all out now, i wouldn't recommend spending that much. Since it will be obsolete pretty fast as compared to a computer puchased just a few months down the road.

 

[RadioHead84]

buy your stuff from www.newegg.com You can find anytyhing you want there....well mostly anything...

The LCD thing...In my experiances i think they blur too much in gaming and thats why i go with a CRT...

I plan to buy a 19" CRT when i get mine...but if i had the cash. i would go with a 21" lol if u dont plan to move it anywhere.

 

[Nickel020]

I one week (June 1st) AMD is going to announce the new Socket 939 Athlon 64s, one of which will be the FX-55. I would wait until then because you will get a faster CPU for the same amount of money. CPU manufacturers usually have a set price for their fastest CPU and once a new CPU hits the market the one that used to be fastest gets cheaper and there will be a new top-of-the-line CPU.
I would definetly build my own PC as you will end up spending a lot less in the end you get exactly what you want/need. Building it pretty easy, just make sure you read a good guide on how to do it and maybe get a friend to help you who has some experience with PCs.
If you tell us what you will be using the PC for we can give you better recommandations on what you should get.
10,000 rpm hard drives are noticeably faster than 7,200 rpm drives, but it depends on what you do with your PC if you will actually notice it.

 

[DaNorthface]

where did you read that thhe amd cpus will drop in price/a new processor will be released? I just want to make sure since i'm buying a new chip soon. Also, is intel goinh 64 bits anytime soon??