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Buying a gun: AR-15 or AK47?

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Questions for the gun gurus/experts:

Why are these riffles from Smith Wesson difference so much in prices? <from $1200 to $1700).

Can you explain in layman terms the specs and terms? <especially on the pics ...such as flat top receiver, free float, etc?>

Where can I get a new AR15 for $1K or less or it is possible? What brands are decent ones? I heard Colt is good.

Thanks.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/...catalogId=11101&categoryId=33803&top=Y

This thread is very imformative and helpful.
 
Originally posted by: Svnla
Questions for the gun gurus/experts:

Why are these riffles from Smith Wesson difference so much in prices? <from $1200 to $1700).

Can you explain in layman terms the specs and terms? <especially on the pics ...such as flat top receiver, free float, etc?>

Where can I get a new AR15 for $1K or less or it is possible? What brands are decent ones? I heard Colt is good.

Thanks.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/...catalogId=11101&categoryId=33803&top=Y

This thread is very imformative and helpful.

S&W is proud of their AR. The price differences are due to features. The 1700 one comes with a flattop upper (not necesarily more expensive) and a railed fore end. Railed fore ends can get expensive fast. You drop drop 400 bucks on a free float railed fore end if you want to.

As for brands...ABC
Armalite.
Bushmaster
Colt.

DPMS and Rock River are also very good, but ABC are considered the top producers.
You can find them at JT Distributing pretty reasonably priced and Aim Surplus has Bushmasters at a good price.
You'll pay more for a Colt, thats just a fact. Your paying for the name mostly. Its a status thing at that point.
 
Originally posted by: JRich
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: JRich
Bah, just get that Rem 700p in the .308 flavor 🙂

Good AR'll out shoot it. 😉


🙂 I have a thing for bolt-actions.

Well, a tricked out 700 will probably outshoot most AR's at range. The .308 just has better legs on it.

I have a soft spot for bolts too 🙂
 
Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Ummm... Are you sure that it's legal to own either an AR-15 on an AK-47 in New York? They seem to have a thing against "Assault Weapons" there:

http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/StateLaws.aspx?ST=NY

Yeah I was pretty sure but now you're making me doubt myself.. I'll have to look more into this. I thought the "assault weapons" ban referred to semi-autos with a certain amount of features like flash suprressor, pistol grip, folding stock... and I thought that the ban was lifted recently? Damn I hope I can still get them..
 
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Svnla
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Fair nuff. In which case he needs to shoot me a PM.
Building an AR is really easy. If you can put together a PC you can put together and upper.
If you can mod a case and you put together a lower. And I onyl say that as you *might* have to do a bit of grinding to get your trigger adjusted where you want it.

Are you serious? You can buy parts and assemble a fully functional AR-15? Hummm.

Yep. Its easy to do. The only part that must go through an FFL is the lower receiver. And if you get an 80% receiver you dony even need to register that.
Going with 80%'s though is NOT recommended for beginners. You end up having to drill all the holes (This is an option for AK's as well) and if your off by even a little bit things dont work right, or at all.

Otherwise yes its easy. I built my own precision upper. I chose to build my own because I could specify every peice. I got *exactly* what I wanted.
And it cost me, but the little bitch'll shoot with the *best* of them.

Good info Specop :thumbsup:

You got me interested now in buildig my own, especially when you mentioned it could be cheaper? These holes you mention, do they require the precision of a drill press? I only have hand drills.. I really would probaby have alot of fun putting one together, I'm always into DIY stuff, as long as I have the necessary tools for the task
 
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: JRich
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: JRich
Bah, just get that Rem 700p in the .308 flavor 🙂

Good AR'll out shoot it. 😉


🙂 I have a thing for bolt-actions.

Well, a tricked out 700 will probably outshoot most AR's at range. The .308 just has better legs on it.

I have a soft spot for bolts too 🙂

Yeah me too.. it's gotta be that clicking sound when you load a new cartridge. god I love that
 
Wow, the prices have dropped since the last time I looked. Personally, I want to get one of those Romanian AK clone's, but if I had the money available I would get the AR-15. Why not get the AR-15 and a Romanian AK?

Also what kind of savings are we looking at by building our own gun?
 
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: Svnla
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Fair nuff. In which case he needs to shoot me a PM.
Building an AR is really easy. If you can put together a PC you can put together and upper.
If you can mod a case and you put together a lower. And I onyl say that as you *might* have to do a bit of grinding to get your trigger adjusted where you want it.

Are you serious? You can buy parts and assemble a fully functional AR-15? Hummm.

Yep. Its easy to do. The only part that must go through an FFL is the lower receiver. And if you get an 80% receiver you dony even need to register that.
Going with 80%'s though is NOT recommended for beginners. You end up having to drill all the holes (This is an option for AK's as well) and if your off by even a little bit things dont work right, or at all.

Otherwise yes its easy. I built my own precision upper. I chose to build my own because I could specify every peice. I got *exactly* what I wanted.
And it cost me, but the little bitch'll shoot with the *best* of them.

Good info Specop :thumbsup:

You got me interested now in buildig my own, especially when you mentioned it could be cheaper? These holes you mention, do they require the precision of a drill press? I only have hand drills.. I really would probaby have alot of fun putting one together, I'm always into DIY stuff, as long as I have the necessary tools for the task

You could do an 80% receiver with a hand drill, but its usually a hell of a lot easier to just buy a full receiver. You can get a receiver for around 100 bucks.

First and foremost, whats your budget? If your on a tight budget I'd recommend buying used. I've heard of AR's coming in under 600 bucks because people shop hard.
Secondly, whats your purpose? Do you want "just an AR", do you want something customizable, do you want a decent shooter or a precision rifle?

First off start Here
This thread has a step by step process for building an AR.

The Build It Yourself section has *excellent* tutorials for building it yourself. They are the tutorials I used. The biggest thing to remember is go step by step and take your time. Its not hard. Its literally like putting a Lego set together.

On the same site is a EE (Equipment Exchange) where you can find some pretty hot deals.
From the same website check the Industry section for vendors. If your into AR's I highly recommend doing alot of reading from the site, and even registering. It is the Holy Bible of AR's.

Now, if *I* were building it I would do the following. Its gonna set you back a pretty penny, but for damn sure you will not find a better rifle anywhere for the money.
I'd grab a "average" lower and upper. The real heart of a hot rifle is the trigger and barrel. I'd get a 16" Kreiger barrel. I have a 22" for my precision shooter. Kreiger is considered one of the best barrel makers on the market, hands down. They use a single point cut rifling which is incredibly accurate. My barrel set me back near 500 bucks. If your not a top shooter (And I am not) you will do just as well with a Wilson or Douglas barrel. Much cheaper and only the very best shooters would notice a difference.
Anyways, then I'd slap in a JP Precision trigger. Its single stage, 3 pounds and breaks like a wet dream. Smooth as butter.
Grab a flat top upper and throw an EoTech on it with BUIS (Back up iron sights). BUIS fold down to stay out of the way, then if you need them due to an optics failure they flip up.
Stick a good adjustable stock on it and holy hell. You have a rifle that'll shooter 1/2" grou;s easy with good ammo, be short enough to not feel bulky and reach out over 500 yards without thinking twice.

I have bought from the following vendors with good success..(Most found in the Industry section of ar15.com)
Bravo Company - All parts
CMMG - All parts
JP Precision - Trigger
Compass Lake - Barrel
RB Precision - Good price on Stag lowers
JT Distributing - Good price on parts

I'm sure the other vendors in the Industry section are very good too. Not just any knucklehead can become a dealer on AR15.com, and they do keep tabs on them to make sure they stay honest. I've spoken on the phone with Compass Lake, they were top notch to deal with for my barrel. It wasnt "We have this and this" it was "What do you want". I wanted a 22" Kreiger bull barrel target crown 1-8 twist. Thats what I got. Custom barrels are a bit pricey, but you get *exactly* what you want. I've heard one guy report on the JT bull barrel upper and its suprisingly a damn good shooter. I dont know what barrel they use, his may be a rarity but it shoots as good as any.

Sometimes its hard to build it cheaper. The JT Distributing bull barrelled upper is like 350 or so.
I'd also do a free float railed handguard. I would not get a regualr handguard, and rails give you more flexibility anyways so I'd get free float railed for customization and accuracy.

This is assuming you have some understanding of AR's, so I dont break down every little peice. If you do need help feel free to PM me and I'll help in any way I can.

Personally I'm a precision shooter. I like putting my rounds exactly where I want them, so I put accuracy very high on my list of requirements. In fact, accuracy is my #1 requirement. Thats why I dropped 500 bones for a barrel.
Does a $500 barrel shoot?
You tell me
Thats at 100 yards, factory ammo with a slight crosswind. A 16" barrel will perform just as well as a 22" at under 4 or 500 yards or so. It isnt till you really stretch it out past 800 you need every inch you can on the barrel.
Heres the bitch This is before the bipod. Harris of course.

If you get really crazy (like me ) you'll start wanting a good night vision scope....

Like this

Or this

Or this

This is such an expensive hobby.......

Good luck, if you have any other questions feel free to PM me. 🙂
 
I dont yet own an AK style rifle, but I do prefer it to an AR style weapon for reliability.

Currently I own an SKS.

I went to a carbine shooting match a few weeks ago, I had no problems with my SKS, and the few people using AKs had no problems either, but I saw several AR jams and malfunctions.
 
Originally posted by: OFFascist
I dont yet own an AK style rifle, but I do prefer it to an AR style weapon for reliability.

Currently I own an SKS.

I went to a carbine shooting match a few weeks ago, I had no problems with my SKS, and the few people using AKs had no problems either, but I saw several AR jams and malfunctions.

Probably because they neevr tested them
Theres always a few knuckleheads that bring a brand new rifle to a shoot and end up with problems becuase they havent broken it in to make sure it works.
 
Ok I don't have time to read the whole thread, but here is my 2 cents.

Both guns will have about the same 'fun-factor'
Both guns have ammo that costs about the same.
The AK will be cheaper off the bat.
The AR will be a bit more expensive.

The AK can be a drag through the mud/don't take care of me/hammer nails & shoot targets gun.
The AR will be a bit more sensitive to abuse, but still fairly reliable.

The AK will not be as accurate as the AR. The triggers on most AKs are also not as smooth as ARs.

If you want scope action on your AR, be sure to buy a flat-top model. You can start with a detachable carry handle and then move to a scope easily.

A DPMS AR can be had for around 500-600 I believe. A Bushmaster(what I consider factory gold standard) probably more like $750).

-J
 
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
I just don't understand the perpetual hard on people have with guns.

Don't threadcrap.

The OP is asking for advice. If you don't like the subject matter being discussed, stay out of the thread.

I believe the OP left a choice for 'not into guns' which falls into my category and subsequently my question/statement.
 
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Originally posted by: Josh123
I would say neither. I'd much rather have a handgun and get really good with it. You could always get a concealed handgun license and carry it around with you too.

Is that true? You can actually get a conealed handgun license and walk around the streets with one hidden in your coat? Kinda scary.

In many states, yes.

I don't see why it is scary. These are the most tightly regulated licenses outside of those who deal in NFA weapons.

Not in Vermont (I don't live there)! You can CC without a permit, or so I hear.

To the OP: AK for jungle/desert warfare, AR for everything else, such as anything you might actually do with it. Namely range shooting. That's not to say it isn't a combat weapon, but you can't pour sand in it like you can an AK.
 
Originally posted by: DrZDO
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Originally posted by: Josh123
I would say neither. I'd much rather have a handgun and get really good with it. You could always get a concealed handgun license and carry it around with you too.

Is that true? You can actually get a conealed handgun license and walk around the streets with one hidden in your coat? Kinda scary.

In many states, yes.

I don't see why it is scary. These are the most tightly regulated licenses outside of those who deal in NFA weapons.

Not in Vermont (I don't live there)! You can CC without a permit, or so I hear.

To the OP: AK for jungle/desert warfare, AR for everything else, such as anything you might actually do with it. Namely range shooting. That's not to say it isn't a combat weapon, but you can't pour sand in it like you can an AK.

Apparently you are correct about VT. No permit is required (in the NE no less😕 ).

You learn something new every day.
 
I don't know a whole lot about either of them, but i have shot both, and i liked shooting the AR-15 much better than the AK.... perhaps feels more sophisticated? i'm not sure.

i am a somewhat small guy (or i was when i shot them 3 yrs ago...5'6, 115), and the AK punched a lot harder, but with less precision (for me).

again, im a n00b at this stuff.

 
Originally posted by: gregshin
i picked the AK47 for if my life counted on it...granted the AR is cool with all the toys you can put on it. but i firmly believe in less is best. if you can hit something at 200 yards with the AK with iron sights as it was designed to be then the AK is the best choice.

AKs are made exclusively for countries where cleaning weapons isn't emphasized and harsh conditions prevail. They are easy to operate and extremely reliable. In every other aspect of a firearm the AR is superior. Since it's going to be inside a home anyways, it shouldn't be dirty in the first place and you should have no reliability problems. My M16 has fired every time over here and it's been pretty dirty a few times.......

That being said the best weapon for home defense would probably be a 12gauge using 00 buckshot......
 
from this layman's point of view, the ar15 looks "prettier". ;D
to me, the ak will always remind me as the weapon of choice for the (cliche) communists, 3rd world rebels and terrorists. basically for the "spray and pray" crowd... but ofcouse i know very little about them.
 
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