buying a gaming pc or from scratch?

[sublime420ec]

hi i'm thinking about buying this pc specs are ...

514$
Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 USB 3.0 Motherboard
*AMD FX-8320 Vishera 3.5GHz (4.0GHz Turbo) Eight-Core Processor
* 8GB DDR3 Memory
* 1,000GB 1TB SATA HD 7200 RPM
* ATI Radeon 3000 DVI, VGA amp; HDMI
* 500w PSU
* Black case
* LG DVD/CD Burner
* Realtek 7.1 HD Audio
* Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit


i plan on upgrading the psu and graphics card prolly before i turn it on lol but just wondering if this is a good buy? it's made buy jedicomputers the last pc i built was in 2001 or so a amd athlon 3000+ 2gb ram ati hd46701gb agp and that is stil my current pc haha! so this will be a huge leap for me

i prefer amd but they also had this pc.... for 689$

Gigabyte Z77 Motherboard USB 3.0
* Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) Quad-Core Processor
* 8GB Memory
* 1,000GB 1TB SATA HD
* Intel HD Graphics 4000 Graphics
* 500w PSU
* LG DVD/CD Burner
* 7.1 HD Audio
* Black case
* Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit

i would also upgrade psu and graphics card in this......

i'm really leaning towards the amd but what do you guys think ? or should i just build from scratch any ideas for 700$ or so build? besides these?

 

[Termie]

You should provide links to the website you're using.

Honestly if you have the skills, you should build this yourself.

 

[sublime420ec]

here is link to pc ...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gaming-Comp...1166472277?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item3ccebc1c55

no good?

 

[sublime420ec]

i'm looking for pre-built solution if possible...i'm lazy lol

 

[DaveSimmons]

> i plan on upgrading the psu and graphics card prolly before i turn it on lol

Then you might as well build from scratch. See the General Hardware forum for many threads on this, and a sticky thread with questions to answer.

AMD is not the right CPU for gaming. An intel i5 (not i7) is the best choice for that.

 

[Termie]

here is link to pc ...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gaming-Comp...1166472277?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item3ccebc1c55

no good?

Ok, it's not a bad price for what it is, but it's a bad build overall - you can't game with it, and it's unlikely the PSU is worth anything at all, so you'd immediately have to put $200 into it to play any games.

Since you're going to have to replace parts anyway, you should just build it yourself. It will take another hour or so of your time.

 

[denis280]

Honestly if you have the skills, you should build this yourself.

I agree with Termie.

 

[frozentundra123456]

i'm looking for pre-built solution if possible...i'm lazy lol

Check dell outlet to see if you can get an XPS for around 600.00 with an Intel i5. At that price it will have a lousy graphics card, but all the XPS models have a decent power supply, so all you would have to do is add a graphics card. Personally, I got an XPS on close out from microcenter with a i5 2320 and added a HD7770 and am very happy with it. For more grunt you could add an HD7850. The XPS power supply should handle that.

I am not familiar with the site you are referencing, but I would be suspicious of any place that sells a computer with integrated graphics as a "gaming computer".
Edit: in specific to that computer with the FX, the FX has no igp, so the graphics must be motherboard graphics, which are even worse than the igp on an AMD APU.

 

[Torn Mind]

These two listings are what I'd call "Ebay landmines".
For the 1st build:
1. The graphics card generation is well behind the current 7xxx generation.
2. There is no ATI Radeon 3000 card; the 3000 refers to the whole series. There is a 3400, 3600, and 3800. The second number tells you which "power level" the card is at.
http://www.amd.com/US/PRODUCTS/DESK...-HD-3000/Pages/ati-radeon-hd-3000-series.aspx

The i7 rig has no dedicated GPU. The HD 4000 is weak for any demanding gaming and most gaming in general.

 

[Vectronic]

^- thats the problem with most pre-built computers, they have an obvious bottleneck.

You can get a system with a good CPU, and nothing else, or a system with good GPU and nothing else, a good motherboard and nothing else.

I second/third the "build it yourself" route, you'll end up paying a bit more, but you'll get A LOT more out of it. And shouldn't have to upgrade for a much larger span.

If you go pre-built, expect to buy another in a year, another a year after that. (unless you go high-end pre-built, but then you are paying twice the amount you would if you built it yourself).

 

[sublime420ec]

here is link to I7 pc http://www.ebay.com/itm/WOW-Ready-G...1166466024?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item3ccebc03e8

would that be ok with a psu gpu upgrade?


if not could u guys maybe list parts for a amd build and parts for a intel build? i havn't built since 2001 or so and don't know the best parts atm be mainly used for gaming internet and movies i guess....budget would be 800$ less would be better i'm kinda a amd guy don't really care if i get 30fps less than a intel...rather have a good gpu with a decent cpu long as i get a good mobo cpu is easy to upgrade in future... just my current pc has no upgrade left to it haha or i'd just keep using it... also ati gpu never got along with nvidia....

 

[sublime420ec]

i been looking at the benchmarks the intels are impresive....but amd is not that far behind at all in most games only by X amount of fps not worth the switch imo....but i'm open to ideas

 

[Termie]

here is link to I7 pc http://www.ebay.com/itm/WOW-Ready-G...1166466024?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item3ccebc03e8

would that be ok with a psu gpu upgrade?


if not could u guys maybe list parts for a amd build and parts for a intel build? i havn't built since 2001 or so and don't know the best parts atm be mainly used for gaming internet and movies i guess....budget would be 800$ less would be better i'm kinda a amd guy don't really care if i get 30fps less than a intel...rather have a good gpu with a decent cpu long as i get a good mobo cpu is easy to upgrade in future... just my current pc has no upgrade left to it haha or i'd just keep using it... also ati gpu never got along with nvidia....

Now you're talking - glad you're open to building!

It sounds like you like AMD. Here's the breakdown:

AMD fx8320 - $150 on sale
motherboard - $90
8GB RAM - $45
power supply - $40
case - $40
DVD - $16
AMD HD7850 2GB - $170
120GB SSD - $100
1TB Hard drive - $70
Windows 7 or 8 - $100

Total - $820. You can knock down a few things to get it under $800. What's least important to you? Total storage, boot and app launching speed, or high resolution gaming?

 

[scragnoff]

I agree that building your own computer is definitely the way to go. I see that you're into Amd, and suggested build by Termie looks great. One site that goes into more specifics regarding builds is Logical Increments. They have many builds categorized according to specific budgets.

 

[sublime420ec]

Thanks for the build ideA looks pretty good..im gonnna hit up newegg an tiger and see what there workin with hopefull
y get my taxreturn in my account within a week or so .....ready to build this sucka.....i may need help havnt built a pc since agp days ill keep yall up to date

 

[Termie]

Thanks for the build ideA looks pretty good..im gonnna hit up newegg an tiger and see what there workin with hopefull
y get my taxreturn in my account within a week or so .....ready to build this sucka.....i may need help havnt built a pc since agp days ill keep yall up to date

I would jump on this TigerDirect fx8320 deal right away: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2300609

It expires soon, and you aren't going to find it that cheap anywhere else. The rest of the parts can wait until you get your tax return.

You'll be surprised - computers are MUCH easier to build now than they used to be.

 

[sublime420ec]

Yea sadly I only get paid twice a month where I work dont get paid till next friday shoul have tax money by then...prolly could up budget to 1000-1000 but would def.like to be around 800$ mark... Might go with next cpu up from th 8320 not sure yet prolly only need a small hd as well thr 120gb sdd prolly be enough really might add 250gb hd not sure ill post the parts I decide on before I buy

 

[Hubb1e]

Oh thank god you aren't buying that eBay PC. He's selling gaming PCs without a video card. I can't believe he still has a 5 star rating. His price is actually pretty decent, but that's shady dealing if he won't even list the graphics card in the AMD machine.

I think he should go with the FX4300 if he doesn't want to overclock, or with the FX6300 if he is ok with mild overclocking. The extra cores on the FX8320 doesn't add much to the build and needs to be overclocked to even match the FX4300 in most games. Then he's closer to his $700 limit.

 

[Termie]

Oh thank god you aren't buying that eBay PC. He's selling gaming PCs without a video card. I can't believe he still has a 5 star rating. His price is actually pretty decent, but that's shady dealing if he won't even list the graphics card in the AMD machine.

I think he should go with the FX4300 if he doesn't want to overclock, or with the FX6300 if he is ok with mild overclocking. The extra cores on the FX8320 doesn't add much to the build and needs to be overclocked to even match the FX4300 in most games. Then he's closer to his $700 limit.

I actually thought the same thing and looked up the motherboard - it's a 760G and in fact has built-in "Radeon 3000" graphics: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128565

I really have no idea what the graphics capabilities are, but they certainly aren't good.

Look, I think the ebay seller is just a random guy like any of us trying to make a few bucks off of pre-built systems. And he knows, like anyone who has shipped a pre-built system, that shipping a system with a video card installed is a recipe for disaster. I busted a Radeon X800 XT PE doing that - a sad loss that was. I'm sure the OEM vendors like Dell and HP and figured out a way around it, but it's essentially impossible to properly secure a video card in off-the-shelf cases for shipping purposes.

 

[sublime420ec]

ok so i got my list i think i have everything i will need let me know if im missing anything....

i'm gonna use heatsink that comes with cpu but thinkin about buying one any ideas for my selected cpu?

Case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811192289

cpu/mobo:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...=Combo.1199280

SSD|
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820147192

Graphics Card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814202025

Power Supply:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817182067

Ram:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148544

HDD|
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822152305

Sound Card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16829102003

OS:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832116986

if i did the math right it will be around 924$ any idea on price cuts? i've been out the hardware game awhile don't really know what is best i went threw and these are the items i picked but i'm not set on them...

 

[sublime420ec]

lol that's a lil steep think i need to redo i want that cpu and a high end gpu and decent power supply everything else is up in the air....idk if i even need the ssd that just makes games load faster? not perform better?

 

[Vectronic]

Choose a better power supply. For $80 you can get a much better one. Should be able to drop it down to 650W or lower too.

What's with the sound card? The motherboard already has 7+1

 

[Sleepingforest]

You only need a 500W PSU, the soundcard is unnecessary, the RAM is $10 too much, and SSD is overpriced compared to the rest of the build. Drop to a normal Samsung 840 or Crucial M4, get this RAM (lower price, voltage, and profile with the same timing and frequency. Get a PSU like this (500W for $40AR) That should save you around $80.

 

[RaistlinZ]

Your CPU seems very weak for a gaming build, especially coupled with a 7870. If you can shave a few dollars off your other components, I'd opt for an i5-3570k for $215.00 shipped.

You'll have to pony up another $90.00 or so for a motherboard but it'll give you better gaming performance compared to that AMD 6300. No point building a new rig and being CPU limited from day 1.

 

[Vectronic]

Also drop the HDD, just drag the one from your current system along, same for CD/DVD.

Considering you went from OnBoard Video as both of your original options, gaming/graphics can't be that high of a priority, go with a 7850, or 7770.

Combine mine and SleepingForest suggestions you're down to like $650.

If you drop down to 60/64GB SSD just for your boot drive, or primary games... you're down to $600... re-use your case?... $570.

What's the MOST you would pay for your new PC?... easier to work from there backwards then randomly in between.

prolly could up budget to 1000-1100

Like really?... just go Intel.