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[ts3433]

PCP&C does make very good power supplies; the Silencer 410 looks to be a nice value for $85, with 23A on the +12V rail. Also consider offerings from Seasonic and Fortron. (OCZ, Sparkle, Zippy/Emacs, and--I think--PCP&C PSUs are actually made by Fortron, just like Antec and Enermax PSUs are made by other manufacturers--I think Antec uses Channel Well. Seasonic is also an original manufacturer, like Fortron.) Something like their TurboCool 510 would be overkill, though.

Googer: A link please to where you've found that the PSUs Enermax rebadges are of subpar quality... this sounds interesting.

 

[Googer]

Overkill and PSU should never belong in the same sentance.

 

[ts3433]

I'm not by any means saying a beefy PSU is a bad thing to have; I just don't see how you justify spending $180 on a PSU unless you actually intend to run SLIed 6800s with about 5 hard drives and a very heavily overclocked CPU. For example, if you were on any sort of budget, you probably wouldn't pick a PCP&C 510 to power, say, my rig (XP-M 2400+ @ 2.2, 512MB Corsair, ATI 9600, 1 HD, 1 CD-RW; this all runs great on an Antec SL350).

 

[Googer]

When Upgrading my neighbors generic psu to a turbo cool, you could certainly see a differance in his computer. It crashed less often, the video was slightly clearer(due to cleaner, stable, and more accurate power), he has very few Blue Screens of death and no more boot crashes like he had before..

 

[ts3433]

<Sorry, OP, for the tangent we've gone off on, but I hope it's of use>

Yeah, but wouldn't you have pretty much the same results with one of PCP&amp;P's own Silencer units or something like that? Virtually any average brand (even Thermaltake) would be a massive improvement coming from a generic, and with most rigs (especially one that could at least be powered by a generic for a while without the thing blowing up) a $180 PSU would probably make little improvement, if any, over a $60-80 one.

my $0.02

 

[housecat]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: housecat
if its quality, yes.

essentially enermax, antec, fortron source.. all safe bets.

some of these fly by night brands people rant and rave about are probably good too.. im just passing on what works for me, and has for years and years.

you could use a good quality 350watter with that 6600gt sli setup. i wouldnt recommend it, but you could probably do it just fine.

try for a quality 380 or 400 watter.


i like the antec neopower 480watt with modular cables for $100 or so.
but you will need a 24pin adapter for that asus board with most PSUs.


otherwise, antec makes a great PSU with a 24pin power connector native, which is what that board requires. but an adapter will work fine too.

People think enermax are good psu's. Enermax is a rebaged and dressed up generic psu, and because it has a High price tag they think it must be good. Infact there are cheaper PSU's that out perform enermax, and haver better voltage regulation.
Enermax = junk
Antec is better but = mediocre
PC Power and Cooling = Mercedes Benz

I cannot speak about fortron, I know little about them

you dont know what your talking about.

PCP&amp;C are the rebadged, overpriced ones. Not Enermax. Your out of your mind.

They are good PSUs, but way overpriced.
Heres information from someone who KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=792566

Enermax is shit? Ya you think you can get away with stupid comments like that but here at AT people are going to call you out.

PCP&amp;C use Fortron and Zippy power supplys and rebadge them, people that pay PC Power and Cooling prices are dumb as you are.

http://www.tdl.com/~netex/cases/ps.html
"The Zippy/Emacs AP2-5400F-RV2 400W power supply is resold by PC Power and Cooling under the brand name Turbo Cool 400."

"FSP Group's FSP-300-60GT is now resold by PC Power and Cooling as the new Turbo Cool 300..."

"A final company worth review is Enermax who also makes good quality power supplies."


Next time, before trying to give someone poor advice, and flaming someone who knows more than you do in the proces, try the search function and reading.
Damn noobs.

 

[Zap Brannigan]

Don't forget to dust it (case) out from time to time. Dust build up will increase your temperature and at the worst create a short circuit.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: housecat

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: housecat
if its quality, yes.

essentially enermax, antec, fortron source.. all safe bets.

some of these fly by night brands people rant and rave about are probably good too.. im just passing on what works for me, and has for years and years.

you could use a good quality 350watter with that 6600gt sli setup. i wouldnt recommend it, but you could probably do it just fine.

try for a quality 380 or 400 watter.


i like the antec neopower 480watt with modular cables for $100 or so.
but you will need a 24pin adapter for that asus board with most PSUs.


otherwise, antec makes a great PSU with a 24pin power connector native, which is what that board requires. but an adapter will work fine too.

People think enermax are good psu's. Enermax is a rebaged and dressed up generic psu, and because it has a High price tag they think it must be good. Infact there are cheaper PSU's that out perform enermax, and haver better voltage regulation.
Enermax = junk
Antec is better but = mediocre
PC Power and Cooling = Mercedes Benz

I cannot speak about fortron, I know little about them

you dont know what your talking about.

PCP&amp;C are the rebadged, overpriced ones. Not Enermax. Your out of your mind.

They are good PSUs, but way overpriced.
Heres information from someone who KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=792566

Enermax is shit? Ya you think you can get away with stupid comments like that but here at AT people are going to call you out.

PCP&amp;C use Fortron and Zippy power supplys and rebadge them, people that pay PC Power and Cooling prices are dumb as you are.

http://www.tdl.com/~netex/cases/ps.html
"The Zippy/Emacs AP2-5400F-RV2 400W power supply is resold by PC Power and Cooling under the brand name Turbo Cool 400."

"FSP Group's FSP-300-60GT is now resold by PC Power and Cooling as the new Turbo Cool 300..."

"A final company worth review is Enermax who also makes good quality power supplies."


Next time, before trying to give someone poor advice, and flaming someone who knows more than you do in the proces, try the search function and reading.
Damn noobs.

Well, the hard forums are not a referance source, but some one elses opionion. Maximum PC Has rated Pc power and cooling's Turbo Cool 510 a "KICK ASS" 5 or 6 years in a row. I dont think you have ever picked one of these things up because even the 250watt model weighs twice as much as an antec 430. Enermax Cannot stack up, their wattage claims are for 25°c while Turbo Coool is rated for 50°c. As temperatures Increase the wattage and current avalable will decrease so when the enermax 500 is run at 50° it has only 200-300 watts avalable with a pathetic 5% voltage regulation. Compaire that to Turbo cool's 510 watts @ 50° with a much tighter control on voltage fluctuatrion of only 1%. PC Power and cooling' PSU's are far from cheap crap almost every review site out there uses the turbo cool line as the High Standard to which all others are compaired to.

Lets be a little more polite and carefull where you use the knoob word, becuase I may come back and bite you in the ass.
:Q


Thanks for providing such poor sources of information.
PEACE!

 

[Matthias99]

To be fair, I don't put a whole lot of faith into Maximum PC's ability to review *anything*, let alone to do a competent assessment of a PSU's capabilities.

Silent PC Review, on the other hand, did a very thorough writeup of the Enermax NoiseTaker 470W last year. They did note that this model is rated at 40 degrees C, as opposed to 25 degrees C for many of the lower-end Enermax PSUs (they have not tested any of the other models, or any of the PCP&amp;C models, as they only test 'quiet' PSUs for the most part).

CONCLUSION

The Enermax NoiseTaker 475 frankly surprised me. I was not expecting anything special from this model, jaded as I am with marketing hokum from any source; Enermax spreads its share of such hokum. I certainly was not expecting 82% maximum efficiency, nor low-noise operation to 200W and beyond. Both of these qualities are enough to immediately put this model among the Recommended PSUs. Add the high stability and high power capability, and it really starts to look like... something special?

It's true that the ATX12V V1.3 PSU Guideline calls for higher efficiency than before, but the numbers ? 70% at full load, 60% at typical load and 50% at light load ? are nowhere near what Enermax has achieved here.

The protection circuitry works well. In truth, it would be amazingly difficult to build a desktop system that could demand 470W from the PSU for any length of time. Thus far, the highest power draw I've seen is with an ARM Systems P4-3.2 dual SATA drive PC, which only demanded 235W max in AC power. This NoiseTaker was drawing 600W in AC voltage before the protection circuits shut it down.

I think it's fair to say that at least the better Enermax PSUs are not crap. I have not seen a preponderence of evidence decrying Enermax PSUs, leading me to generally believe they are at least significantly better than a generic model.

PCP&amp;C are definitely high-quality (even if they don't manufacture them all themselves), but of course you pay quite a bit for them. Too much, some might argue.

 

[housecat]

BTW that post at OCP is quite obviously more informed than you are.. "enermax is crap"? Seriously noob, you got owned.
When your source is MAXIMUM PC (WTF).. you'd be MUCH better off finding someone who knows what they are talking about (not someone who reads Maximum PC like yourself :roll: )

Enjoy your Turbo Cools... err Zippy or Fortron Source (at a much higher cost).

PC Power and cooling' PSU's are far from cheap crap almost every review site out there uses the turbo cool line as the High Standard to which all others are compaire

No one said PCP&amp;C are crap. I said you dont know what your talking about, and they are rebadged and overpriced. Enermax are not


BTW, weight is not the best way to judge a PSU. Thats even MORE noob fare. You did a good job "biting me in the a$$"... everyone here can read this discussion and see you're a complete moron.

 

[Budmantom]

6800gt

 

[Googer]

This is the first time out of the thousands of PSU related threads on this server, that anyone has tried to say that PC Power and Cooling is junk!
I dont use frotron or zippy.
all enermax power supplies have a 5% voltage regulation.

 

[Googer]

That was not a real article, just some one in a forum typing what ever he feels like. Not a credable scientific source.

 

[housecat]

That was not a real article, just some one in a forum typing what ever he feels like. Not a credable scientific source.

Ya kinda like you. But its pretty clear looking at YOUR posts then comparing to that one at OCP that the gentleman over at OCP knows quite a bit more than you.

Originally posted by: Googer
This is the first time out of the thousands of PSU related threads on this server, that anyone has tried to say that PC Power and Cooling is junk!
I dont use frotron or zippy.
all enermax power supplies have a 5% voltage regulation.

are you f'ing retarded? What the hell is wrong with you?

did you not read this-

They are good PSUs, but way overpriced.

You overpayed for a Forton or Zippy. Get over it. And Enermax is not "junk" as you said.

kthxbye noob.

 

[Googer]

Maximum PC and Scott Mueller (in his book From QUE Publishing) both recommend PC Power and Cooling over all brands. I will find the pages later.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: housecat

That was not a real article, just some one in a forum typing what ever he feels like. Not a credable scientific source.

Ya kinda like you. But its pretty clear looking at YOUR posts then comparing to that one at OCP that the gentleman over at OCP knows quite a bit more than you.

Originally posted by: Googer
This is the first time out of the thousands of PSU related threads on this server, that anyone has tried to say that PC Power and Cooling is junk!
I dont use frotron or zippy.
all enermax power supplies have a 5% voltage regulation.

are you f'ing retarded? What the hell is wrong with you?

did you not read this-

They are good PSUs, but way overpriced.

You overpayed for a Forton or Zippy. Get over it. And Enermax is not "junk" as you said.

kthxbye noob.

It looks like some ones feelings have been hurt, he must be afraid of being proven wrong that is why he is so defensive with out providing any sort of proof.

Enermax PSU's start a $250 and I have seen them go for as much as 300+
http://www.newegg.com/app/View...=17-103-438&amp;depa=0

A compairable Turbo cool costs less.

 

[housecat]

Ya keep blathering on. Anyone that reads our "discussion" will see that you dont have a clue.

PS. I have a 350watt Enermax I paid $100 new for. All the rails are as strong as can be.

And no ones feelings were hurt, I'm just sick of seeing morons like yourself posting crap. This is my last post on the matter, as anyone can read this thread and see you're clueless. Might as well open a Maximum PC and start reading than consult you.

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: Googer
It looks like some ones feelings have been hurt, he must be afraid of being proven wrong that is why he is so defensive with out providing any sort of proof.

Let's try and play nice, ok, kids?

Enermax PSU's start a $250 and I have seen them go for as much as 300+
http://www.newegg.com/app/View...=17-103-438&amp;depa=0

A compairable Turbo cool costs less.

Of course, the 600W NoiseTaker only costs $180... less than some places charge for the 510W PCP&amp;C. Directron has the 600W Enermax on sale for $160, and the 475W PCP&amp;C Turbo Cool is $185 there.

Do they even make a Turbo Cool over 510W?

 

[Krynis]

wow guys can we stop arguing and flamming in this guys thread? i mean common he was asking for your help and u guys started a flame war GG.

 

[RussianSensation]

If you cant even afford a good power supply, it seems you are running out of money => SCRAP SLI.
Unless you have $$$, SLI is a waste. Getting 2 6600GTS is also a waste. Buy a $120 motherboard instead and a 6800GT card. Don't follow all the hype surrounding this SLI talk. Unless you can afford to buy $500 videocards every 6 months, SLI is a total waste of money for today's midrange videocards like 6600GT. If 6800GT PCIe is out of your budget, just get 6600GT now and then upgrade in a bit.

For power supply, just get OCZ 420 - it has 30A on 12V rail (Costs $96 at www.excaliberpc.com). Enermax 475 or Antec 480 are really good too. A power supply will most likely outlast all your other components. Since OCZ is BTX ready you'll be set for a while. Also Fortron makes good PSUs and can be considered as a valid alternative. Ram speed and memory bandwidth doent really aid much for an A64 platform. You don't need to spend more than $100 on a good power supply. Unless you are running 5 HDDs and a mad liquid cooling SLI system, it's not always better to buy a "bigger" power supply since it'll waste of a lot of the unused energy in the form of heat (which isn't something you want).

Athlon64 3500+ 0.09u Winchester core OEM ** Tested at 11x200 = 2.2 GHz(default vcore), 8x275 = 2.2
PC3200-PC4400 Memory tested on A64 S939 => 0-2% difference
Just use dividers with value ram.

If you dont mind running 4 x 256MB of ram for a total of 1 gig instead of 2 x 512mb of ram, go to www.excaliberpc.com as they have good deals on PC3200 low latency ram sticks.

 

[Googer]

C'mon now house cat stop being a pussy, and show some respect for others. No one has done any thing for you to come off as rude and as insolent as you, as far as I am concerd such behavior should be get you banned from this forum.

I have said it again, your 350watt has just like all Enermax and Generic PSU's a terrable 5% voltage regulation. PC power and Cooling has A much better than anyone else voltage regulation of 1%. I am sorry if your food stamps dont allow you to purchase anything better, since there is noting I can do about your situation of poverty.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Matthias99

Originally posted by: Googer
It looks like some ones feelings have been hurt, he must be afraid of being proven wrong that is why he is so defensive with out providing any sort of proof.

Let's try and play nice, ok, kids?

Enermax PSU's start a $250 and I have seen them go for as much as 300+
http://www.newegg.com/app/View...=17-103-438&amp;depa=0

A compairable Turbo cool costs less.

Of course, the 600W NoiseTaker only costs $180... less than some places charge for the 510W PCP&amp;C. Directron has the 600W Enermax on sale for $160, and the 475W PCP&amp;C Turbo Cool is $185 there.

Do they even make a Turbo Cool over 510W?

Yes they do,
http://www.pcpowercooling.com/...rbocools/510/index.htm

 

[Googer]

http://www.pcpowercooling.com/pdf/Turbo-Cool_510_vs.pdf

Output:
+5V @ 40A
+12V @ 34A/38A
-5V @ 0.3A
-12V @ 2A
+3.3V @ 30A
+5VSB @ 3A
power<510W
peak

The hold time is 20ms vs 18ms for enermax.

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: Matthias99

Originally posted by: Googer
It looks like some ones feelings have been hurt, he must be afraid of being proven wrong that is why he is so defensive with out providing any sort of proof.

Let's try and play nice, ok, kids?

Enermax PSU's start a $250 and I have seen them go for as much as 300+
http://www.newegg.com/app/View...=17-103-438&amp;depa=0

A compairable Turbo cool costs less.

Of course, the 600W NoiseTaker only costs $180... less than some places charge for the 510W PCP&amp;C. Directron has the 600W Enermax on sale for $160, and the 475W PCP&amp;C Turbo Cool is $185 there.

Do they even make a Turbo Cool over 510W?

Yes they do,
http://www.pcpowercooling.com/...rbocools/510/index.htm

You linked to a page of their 510W PSUs.

And cut out the personal attacks (this goes for everyone). If you can't talk about something as mundane as power supplies without getting pissy and calling people names, you'll find yourself with a vacation in a hurry.

 

[Ike0069]

I've had an Emermax 350W PS going for almost 3 years now and shows no signs of slowing. The voltage readings are still extremely stable. I just bought an Antec Sonata case with the True 380W PS, and I fully expect it to be as good as the Enermax.

To the OP, I bought my Sonata last Friday from Newegg and it had Free shipping. You should check on that. It will be running a 3000+ Winchester on a Neo2 Platinum MB, 1 GB Corsair value RAM, and a 6800 GT. I will OC eventually and I'm sure the PS will be just fine.