Buyer's remorse for GTX 670 anyone?

[3DVagabond]

Like a deck of cards?

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/08/27/nvidia_geforce_gtx_660_ti_at_high_aa_settings_review

I'd say that's a pretty sizable difference (~16%). It's especially bad if you consider that the 670 isn't exactly a high bandwidth monster.

 

[SirPauly]

The conclusion differs greatly than especially bad or falls apart like a deck of cards.

 

[RussianSensation]

Like a deck of cards?

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/08/27/nvidia_geforce_gtx_660_ti_at_high_aa_settings_review

That review used a stock 7950. Check back for the links I posted. GTX670 is 36% faster than a 660Ti in Batman AC with MSAA once both are overclocked. that's huge. In Skyrim with mods, a GTX660Ti is 41% slower than a 7950 925mhz with 8xMSAA. So yes, it falls apart with MSAA. Unless a person can find a GTX660Ti for $250 or below, it's throwing $ away. HD7950 @ $275-320, HD7870 for $200-240 or GTX670 for a deal @ $330-340 are all better. GTX660Ti is a very poor card for $300. I can't say 1 nice thing about GTX660Ti other than it comes with BL2. When you add MSAA and higher resolutions, 660Ti can barely keep up with a GTX580 and loses to the 7870 at times. For a card that costs $300 in September 2012, that's unacceptable.

Check out HardOCP's review of GTX660Ti vs. 670 vs. 7950 OC. The only outlier there is the 660Ti, it fails to compete despite being a 7950 competitor by price at the moment.

 

[SirPauly]

The investigation showcased an apples to apples clocking of a GTX 660ti vs GTX 670 and there was no falling apart -- offering the impression one can't use AA. It used a HD 7950 with boost. The site even used x32 AA, transparency and forced ambient Occlusion for crying-out-loud.

 

[SirPauly]

That review used a stock 7950. Check back for the links I posted. GTX670 is 36% faster than a 660Ti in Batman AC with MSAA once both are overclocked. that's huge. In Skyrim with mods, a GTX660Ti is 41% slower than a 7950 925mhz with 8xMSAA. So yes, it falls apart with MSAA. Unless a person can find a GTX660Ti for $250 or below, it's throwing $ away. HD7950 @ $275-320, HD7870 for $200-240 or GTX670 for a deal @ $330-340 are all better. GTX660Ti is a very poor card for $300. I can't say 1 nice thing about GTX660Ti other than it comes with BL2. When you add MSAA and higher resolutions, 660Ti can barely keep up with a GTX580 and loses to the 7870 at times. For a card that costs $300 in September 2012, that's unacceptable.

Check out HardOCP's review of GTX660Ti vs. 670 vs. 7950 OC. The only outlier there is the 660Ti, it fails to compete despite being a 7950 competitor by price at the moment.

The HD 7950 offers strong price performance, AMD is being very aggressive and wonderful to see strong 28nm price/performance considering it was such a premium not too long ago. My beef is not the comparisons but you offering falling apart with AA -- this investigation proves other wise.

 

[RussianSensation]

That's because most after-market 660Ti cards boost to 1200mhz+ out of the box. This was already shown during 660Ti launch reviews. In contrast, a stock 7950B uses 50% of its GPU boost while 670 cards don't boost to 1200+mhz out of the box, at least not most of them. This is why when you overclock the 670 & 7950 cards, they gain so much more performance. OTOH, 660Ti has nothing left there since you barely go from 1200-> 1300mhz with overclocking of GPU Boost. Essentially the overclocking on the 7950/670 allows those cards to move into an entirely new class above the 660Ti OC.

The problem I can now find 7950 for $270 (with 2 free games) or for $275 for a version that's proven to hit 1100-1150mhz below 1.175V!

In the MSI TF3 case, you pretty much get a card that's faster out of the box, and when you overclock, it goes on to compete with a $380-400 GTX670 OC. That makes a 660Ti a non-starter and like I said compared to an 1150mhz 7950, 660Ti tanks with MSAA/mods.

How are you not seeing this graph?

or this

Last time I checked it was never good advice to recommend a more expensive, slower card!

 

[SirPauly]

What I find odd is you're ignoring the conclusion from the same reviewer that did all those articles on the GTX 660ti.

No one is arguing on the OC prowess potential and a tangible strength to consider from AMD -- the investigation was how the GTX 660 ti handles AA at extreme settings and resolutions -- it is now being ignored and right back to over-clocking again.

The GTX 660ti handles AA so well, that AMD was forced to reduce pricing on the HD 7850, HD 7870 and HD 7950, imho.

 

[Borealis7]

That review used a stock 7950. Check back for the links I posted. GTX670 is 36% faster than a 660Ti in Batman AC with MSAA once both are overclocked. that's huge. In Skyrim with mods, a GTX660Ti is 41% slower than a 7950 925mhz with 8xMSAA. So yes, it falls apart with MSAA.

BTW...credit where it's due, TweakTown called it 2-3 weeks before anybody else and we were skeptical.

 

[SirPauly]

To gauge if AA falls like a deck of cards one may test apples-to-apples with a GTX 670, considering the GTX 670 has a 256-bit bus and the GTX 660 ti has a 192 bit bus, by utilizing extreme settings and resolutions.

Some-how it becomes what GPU is important to recommend and about the HD 7950.

 

[notty22]

To gauge if AA falls like a deck of cards one may test apples-to-apples with a GTX 670, considering the GTX 670 has a 256-bit bus and the GTX 660 ti has a 192 bit bus, by utilizing extreme settings and resolutions.

Some-how it becomes what GPU is important to recommend and about the HD 7950.

With a o/c ,especially the memory o/c, the AA numbers get much closer to the gtx 670.

Now let’s see if this gap can be bridged by overclocking the GeForce GTX 660 Ti to 1063/7168 MHz.

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[xp0c]

No regrets here.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I did have buyers remorse so I returned my card for a refund. Best decision I could of made. PC gaming is a joke in it's it current state.

 

[moonbogg]

When I heard about the 660ti I felt some remorse for spending $900 when I could have spent $700, but I took back the remorse for the following reason. If I waited and bought the 660ti's I could have just waited longer and got the regular 660's instead. But what then? Wait for the 650's or whatever? I might as well have just kept my 570's in that case. How far away from 680 performance do I want to go is the question. So, the 670's still seem like the best option for me even if I were buying today. You need to pick a performance slot and accept the price for it. Theres always a cheaper option later, but so what.
The one thing I stopped doing is buy the highest end on release. Since my 8800GT's I have always bought two of the next fastest cards. Two 7800GTX's was the last time I bought two highest end cards and I can't see myself doing it again. For me, that final bump in performance to get the highest card isn't worth it. Not until I win the lotto or get smart enough to do something special with my life that makes me rich.

 

[poohbear]

the thing about the hardwarecanucks review is it was testing many different overclocked 660ti vs a stock gtx 670. How far do you think can i push the boost feature on my Gigabyte OC GTX 670? (GPU-Z says boost is set to 1059mhz)

I never tried overclocking cause its already crazy fast, but sometimes it dips down to the 30s, so if an overclock allows me to decrease my minimum fps then i'll go for it!

 

[cmdrdredd]

The investigation showcased an apples to apples clocking of a GTX 660ti vs GTX 670 and there was no falling apart -- offering the impression one can't use AA. It used a HD 7950 with boost. The site even used x32 AA, transparency and forced ambient Occlusion for crying-out-loud.

You need to re-read.

We found that the higher the MSAA setting, the greater the performance delta. For example, it was 25% faster at 32X CSAA, then went down to 21% faster at 8X MSAA, then went down to 15% faster at 4X MSAA. So it seems as the MSAA demand increased, the GTX 670 had a stronger lead.

 

[spinejam]

enjoy!

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/09/03/msi_gtx_660_ti_power_edition_oc_video_card_review

 

[SirPauly]

You need to re-read.

Actually it makes my point -- even with x32 AA it doesn't fall like a deck of cards, sure, there is more of a percentage but considering the GTX 670 is 33 percent more MSRP-- falling like a deck of cards is extremism.

 

[FalseChristian]

I'm still rocking with my 2 GTX 460 1GB heavily overclocked. There's no reason for anyone with these cards to upgrade until the GTX 1160 Ti comes out in 2025.

 

[chimaxi83]

I'm still rocking with my 2 GTX 460 1GB heavily overclocked. There's no reason for anyone with these cards to upgrade until the GTX 1160 Ti comes out in 2025.

You wouldn't feel the same way with a different monitor.

 

[Meghan54]

Well, no buyer's remorse, but I'm just not overly impressed with my 670 (a Gigabyte Windforce OC version) and honestly would much rather have my, or LavaHeadache's, 7970 or 7950 back.

 

[JohnnyChuttz]

No remorse at all.

 

[RussianSensation]

Actually it makes my point -- even with x32 AA it doesn't fall like a deck of cards, sure, there is more of a percentage but considering the GTX 670 is 33 percent more MSRP-- falling like a deck of cards is extremism.

Who cares about MSRP? That's not what consumers pay. You can find GTX670 on Newegg for $360 and a very solid HD7950 for $315, or 10% slower than 660Ti HD7870 for $223. Every single one of these cards makes a $290-300 GTX660Ti a very tough sell for enthusiasts looking to overclock, gamers who use MSAA in games, or those looking for a great price/performance card. Pretty much the only way you'd buy a 660Ti over the 7870/7950 OC or not add $60 for the GTX670 is if you bought into the original GTX660Ti review hype. We have also seen sales on GTX670 for $331-350 on Amazon and Newegg which means those sales are bound to come back soon.

It's not extremism when the competing $300-320 card does not exhibit those characteristics when overclocked. Yet when 660Ti is overclocked, it still suffers from a 20-25% performance hit against 7950 OC / 670 OC. Thus, it does fall apart like a deck of cards. 20-40% performance hit is gigantic when the 2 competing cards cost $10-20 apart.

GTX670 OC is a whopping 36% faster while HD7950 OC is 30% faster in Batman AC vs. 660Ti OC with MSAA.

Skyrim + ENB mods at 1080P
0AA = 7950 B is 19% faster than 660Ti
4AA = 7950 B is 29% faster than 660Ti
8AA = 7950 B is 41% faster than 660Ti

Notice how the more MSAA you add, the more 660Ti falls apart. Why do we buy $300-500 GPUs? To hopefully use high quality textures, AA, AF and other DX11 features that consoles don't have. If a $300 card can't handle MSAA, there is a reason why it costs $60-80 less than its GTX670 sister. If you only use FXAA and TXAA, well then this doesn't matter to you! But then you could argue why buy a GTX660Ti, when GTX660 is good enough for FXAA, next thing you know you go from a $360 near flagship level of performance to 1.5 years ago HD6950/GTX560Ti level of performance. LMAO, so what is the point of buying a GTX660 when HD6950 @ unlocked into a 6970 or GTX560Ti OCed provided GTX660 level of performance? Ya, things don't work like that. GTX660Ti is a mid-range card for a reason because it can't give you GTX670 OC / HD7950 OC level of visuals or performance.

There is another way to look at it: HD7950 OC and 670 OC can actually give you $500 level of GPU performance from a faction of the cost, 660Ti cannot. If you want GTX680/7970 GE level of performance but don't want to pay $430-500 to get it, those cards are your ticket, 660Ti is not.

GTX660 @ 1300mhz can barely come close to a stock 670, but that's with FXAA/TXAA. The minute you enable MSAA, it is still slower than stock 670. Unlike 670 and 7950 which are based on slightly neutured flagship 680/7970 chips, you cannot overclock the 660Ti on air without crazy volt-modding to get you > GTX680 level of performance. You can achieve those things with either the 7950 or the 670. That in itself is why the 660Ti is 1 full class below the HD7950/670 cards.

Taking a lower-end product and overclocking it to near the top of the flagship for a fraction of the cost is value an enthusiast often seeks. It's what made products like the 8800GT, HD5850, Q6600, E6400, i5 2500k, i5 3570K so popular with enthusiasts. Unlike HD7950/670, 660Ti doesn't meet this criteria since it cannot on average reach flagship GPU performance.

 

[blanketyblank]

I have buyer's remorse with my 7950 wind force. My remorse is I should have gotten this thing sooner, it mines incredibly well so if I had bought this a 6 months earlier I could have probably paid it off and been able to afford another one by this point. Then again the price on these 6 months ago was probably much higher so maybe not.

edit:
I should also mention that I also used to mine with my 5770 which had a horribly shrill fan noise when it got hot. Thus I'm happy not only with the fact I'm mining several times faster but it doesn't sound like cats dying when I do.

 

[RussianSensation]

I have buyer's remorse with my 7950 wind force. My remorse is I should have gotten this thing sooner, it mines incredibly well so if I had bought this a 6 months earlier I could have probably paid it off and been able to afford another one by this point. Then again the price on these 6 months ago was probably much higher so maybe not.

Bitcoin mining doesn't work, it's fake, and it's made up by AMD fanboys. You can't use your videocard to make you $ when you are not gaming because it's not a feature in AMD's slide deck or on any of the AIB's partner websites. PhysX, TXAA, AO, 3D Vision, those are all real advantages -- free GPUs are made up! :thumbsup:

 

[notty22]

Bitcoin mining might work, and it's touted and promoted endlessly by AMD fanboys. You can use your videocard to make you $ when you are not gaming because it's not a feature in AMD's slide deck or on any of the AIB's partner websites. PhysX, TXAA, AO, 3D Vision, those are all real advantages -- free GPUs and cooking the thermal pads on your VRM's are made up! :thumbsup:

FTFY
It must be a double slight when the OP has the audacity to consider a 660ti.

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edit: I'm not going to tell people what to do with their time.