Buy house in cash, or mortgage?

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dirtboy

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I built a $265,000 house and paid it off in under two years. I know the numbers; should have kept the mortgage and invested the rest.

While most people won't get the opportunity to do such a thing, so it's easy to say what you would do or wouldn't do... but I can tell you this from someone who was in that position...

There's a lot of peace of mind that comes with a paid off house.
 

PenguinPower

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I built a $265,000 house and paid it off in under two years. I know the numbers; should have kept the mortgage and invested the rest.

While most people won't get the opportunity to do such a thing, so it's easy to say what you would do or wouldn't do... but I can tell you this from someone who was in that position...

There's a lot of peace of mind that comes with a paid off house.

This. Makes life simpler, more relaxing and the potential additional investment income really wouldn't change my life one way or the other.
 

Tweak155

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I built a $265,000 house and paid it off in under two years. I know the numbers; should have kept the mortgage and invested the rest.

While most people won't get the opportunity to do such a thing, so it's easy to say what you would do or wouldn't do... but I can tell you this from someone who was in that position...

There's a lot of peace of mind that comes with a paid off house.

This. Makes life simpler, more relaxing and the potential additional investment income really wouldn't change my life one way or the other.

Clearly those not in that position know better than you ;)
 

ponyo

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Being debt free is a lifestyle. Once you tasted it, you don't want to go back to paying a mortgage or having any other debt.

As for mrdudeman, good luck to you. I know wall st is all about leverage. But you don't see the hedge funds and investment firms who're buying all these rental houses and properties taking out a home mortgage. They're paying cash and hiring management companies to run and renting them out.
 
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Id rather pay off the house and then invest what would have been my mortgage payment instead. Now i have home security in case of loss of job or what not and i can still invest lots of money each month if i desire while working. Great piece of mind.
 

DrPizza

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After you've purchased the house, every dollar should be redirected somewhere other than the mortgage in this scenario. It's a pretty trivial difference either way, though, in terms of the actual realized gain when compared to investing that cash somewhere else. It's a second or third order component.



That's true in some scenarios, but it depends what the investment is. If someone else is paying the mortgage in a rental, for example, then it makes sense to keep the mortgage as long as possible.

With 20k invested in a 100k house that rents for 1k/month, the realized earnings are based on the initial 20k regardless of what it costs to maintain the property and loan. In that scenario, the monthly payment is $380 (30y @ 4$), taxes and insurance would be roughly $225, and then you're done. The remaining $395/mo is earned and depreciation shelters quite a bit of it. Over the course of a year, you made $4.7k from rent and another $1.4k from principal reduction. That's 30% return in the first year on 20k minus taxes, which will probably reduce it to 25%. I'm renting three houses at ratios similar to this, but I also paid more money up front for repairs. The calculation is ideal, but even cutting it by 70% - an arbitrarily huge number - still puts it way, way above the cost of the mortgage. Once you add asset appreciation (which is still based on the original 20k) and increased rent (roughly 1.8% per year), it gets better and better.
Of course, those figures vary significantly from locale to locale. Around here, that 80k loan, with escrow (taxes and insurance) is going to run you around $800 per month.
 

Capt Caveman

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Being debt free is a lifestyle. Once you tasted it, you don't want to go back to paying a mortgage or having any other debt.

As for mrdudeman, good luck to you. I know wall st is all about leverage. But you don't see the hedge funds and investment firms who're buying all these rental houses and properties taking out a home mortgage. They're paying cash and hiring management companies to run and renting them out.

I've been debt free but with interest rates as low as they are, I reduced my down payment, increased my original mortgage and invested the rest. My 1000 shares of Visa bought at $45/share is now over $200/share and pays a qtrly dividend.

I like maximizing my money. Many here don't know the time value of money.
 

Tweak155

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I've been debt free but with interest rates as low as they are, I reduced my down payment, increased my original mortgage and invested the rest. My 1000 shares of Visa bought at $45/share is now over $200/share and pays a qtrly dividend.

I like maximizing my money. Many here don't know the time value of money.

And some don't understand the value of not having to think about it. People pay for conveniences all the time, they just come in different forms and at different prices.
 

ponyo

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I've been debt free but with interest rates as low as they are, I reduced my down payment, increased my original mortgage and invested the rest. My 1000 shares of Visa bought at $45/share is now over $200/share and pays a qtrly dividend.

I like maximizing my money. Many here don't know the time value of money.

You're not debt free. Mortgage is a debt.

Congrats on your Visa shares but just think if you had put no money down. And instead of buying shares, you bought leap options. Or you maxed out the margin account. You would've really maximized your money. Next time, don't leave so much money on the table.
 

JMapleton

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Take the 260k, invest in safe rental property (pay for rental property in cash) and take income from rental property to pay mortgage on 260k house.

This is not investment advice. This is merely what I would do.
 

ponyo

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Yeah, people with mortgages are such fuckups....lol.

I didn't say others were fuckups. I was talking about myself. Since I'm mortgage free, having another mortgage would mean I had to take out a loan against my will. That means I blew through all my savings and had to mortgage the house. That would require a major screw up on my part or really bad luck or freak accident. Basically, something really bad had to happened.