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1. Ford Fusion is really good...
2. The new gen Ford Focus is about to be released as well.

3. An upcomming smaller Ford Fiesta seems like a real winner!
See here

5th gear loves it

Seems like a really, really attractive small car...
 
Originally posted by: adlep
1. Ford Fusion is really good...
2. The new gen Ford Focus is about to be released as well.

3. An upcomming smaller Ford Fiesta seems like a real winner!
See here

5th gear loves it

Seems like a really, really attractive small car...
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I am not reading or hearing anything that hasn't already happened in the auto industry in the last 50 years

 
If you knew anything about finance, you'd know there is very little that can bail Ford out of their situation.

A company can sell tons of cars and still go bankrupt.
 
Originally posted by: adlep
1. Ford Fusion is really good...
2. The new gen Ford Focus is about to be released as well.

3. An upcomming smaller Ford Fiesta seems like a real winner!
See here

5th gear loves it

Seems like a really, really attractive small car...
Click to expand...

The auto industry's problems has nothing to do with products right now. GM has been putting out some awesome products the past few years but they're still f*cked.
 
Originally posted by: JMapleton
If you knew anything about finance, you'd know there is very little that can bail Ford out of their situation.

A company can sell tons of cars and still go bankrupt.
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Hmm,
It seems that you don't know much about Ford situation. They are the only "big" 3 company that did not use their government line of credit yet.
I say that Ford is actually in the best shape - they have a significant presence in Europe and China and their small car - the Fiesta will sell like a hotcakes across the world...
🙂
 
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: adlep
1. Ford Fusion is really good...
2. The new gen Ford Focus is about to be released as well.

3. An upcomming smaller Ford Fiesta seems like a real winner!
See here

5th gear loves it

Seems like a really, really attractive small car...
Click to expand...

The auto industry's problems has nothing to do with products right now. GM has been putting out some awesome products the past few years but they're still f*cked.
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The only "awesome" product is Pontiac G8
Other than that, their mainstream cars like the Cobalt is just average.
Also, the GM is super stupid too because their midsize sedans - the Saturn Aura and decent Chevy Malibu are actually competing with each other for the consumer...
And of course their small car offering - Chevy Aveo is an embarrassment.
 
Originally posted by: adlep
1. Ford Fusion is really good...
2. The new gen Ford Focus is about to be released as well.

3. An upcomming smaller Ford Fiesta seems like a real winner!
See here

5th gear loves it

Seems like a really, really attractive small car...
Click to expand...

To be fair Ford DOES have some nice stuff coming out this year and next too

The new Fusion + Hybrid, new Taurus + Taurus SHO this year, new focus and fiesta next year.

Turbocharging across their lineup for fuel economy, quality rating on par with Toyota and Honda...and they still haven't taken any government money.

They do have the potential to really take off sales wise in the next year or so...but I think alot of that depends on the economy.

They got me to bite, I ordered a 2010 Ford Fusion Hybrid 3 weeks ago.
 
Originally posted by: Ktulu

The auto industry's problems has nothing to do with products right now. GM has been putting out some awesome products the past few years but they're still f*cked.
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In the categories that matter, Ford is beating the crap out of GM.

The refreshed Fusion has better performance and better efficiency than the Malibu. The Fusion Hybrid is fun to drive and efficient, while the Malibu Hybrid is slow, barely more efficient than a regular Malibu, and has awful steering.

The Fusion Hybrid will also easily defeat the Volt. First because the Fusion Hybrid will be available soon (while the Volt is Vaporware), and second because the Fusion costs 13k less and doesn't look like an econobox.

For GM to compete, they need to make an affordable, high quality hybrid. They also need to get moving on the Chevy Cruze.

All is not lost though. GM is doing infinitely better in products than Chrysler. At least with the Malibu and Cruze, GM has good starting platforms from which it can build competitive cars.
 
That's a pretty nice lineup they get in Australia. If we had some of those options, I wouldn't have to buy Japanese...
 
Originally posted by: JMapleton
If you knew anything about finance, you'd know there is very little that can bail Ford out of their situation.

A company can sell tons of cars and still go bankrupt.
Click to expand...

Ford isn't really in the shitter as much as GM or Chrysler.

Their problem is reputation and their flagship products haven't been all that stellar recently either. They've got a bad rep, and their dumbass CEO a while back just let it sit like that. Now, the new guy seems pretty smart.

They haven't taken any bailout money, afaik, and I gotta respect them for that.

Originally posted by: adlep
The only "awesome" product is Pontiac G8
Other than that, their mainstream cars like the Cobalt is just average.
Also, the GM is super stupid too because their midsize sedans - the Saturn Aura and decent Chevy Malibu are actually competing with each other for the consumer...
And of course their small car offering - Chevy Aveo is an embarrassment.
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Agreed, major streamlining is necessary. They're so bloated, and for a reason: lawyers.

They're the mother fucking scum of the earth, they're the ones offering to sue these corporations if they try to lay people off, or if they try to cut off some of the fat.

The Unions cost more to please than manufacturing cars do. Meanwhile, there were reports that some workers just came to work and sat down to drink coffee--the Big Three figured it'd be cheaper to keep them on than deal with law suits.

How the fuck are we going to remain competitive, or is any business going to remain competitive, when a dead weight bunch of old fatheads (government) tells a business how to run itself, and what it can/can't do?
 
All is in the shitter now. It's going to get really interesting. Ford has had a knack for always rebounding first, however with each time it's been different management. Maybe they get lucky timing.
They are also not afraid of shedding weight. During the last bad recession, they sold their aerospace division which pleased the investors. They then acquired things like it was going out of style. Say what you want about that, but they learned a ton from Mazda and Volvo.
Right now, the new car market sucks for every one of the big names except maybe the Porsche group. However, like timing has it, Ford has their best product line coming this year. Fusion, Fiesta, Mustang, F-150, Taurus/MKS, etc. Flex, Edge and previous gen Fusions, and the re-bounded by crappy economy Focus are also decent buys that get a lot of attention.

Bill Ford Jr wanted more green products, and besides a Thunderbird and LS debacle, his vision is coming to frutation. He also wanted to globalize, heavily. It's not the first time they tried to globalize. They tried in the past with the Contour. A well received car in Europe under the Mondeo at the time, got a lukewarm reception stateside for lacking space in the backseat. But it was a fun car to drive for what it was.
And Alan Mullaly is a God-send. Seriously, he is one smart CEO that does not give others a bad name. Other CEO's just give themselves bad names on their own.
If any car maker survives for what they deserve, it will be Ford.
 
It crossed my mind yesterday. Ford is going to be comparitively fine, but after I looked at where it stock was even a couple of years ago, I don't think the potential return is enough for the risk. If it had been $20 and is down now to $2 simply because it was put in the same boat as GM, that might be one thing, but it wasn't even close to that high.
GM is doing infinitely better in products than Chrysler.
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Chrysler is fvcked and as close to a sure thing predicting their temination as one could be. They may make it through, but if a person bought, say, a Dodge Challenger now (and really that would be a nice car!), it will be from a discontinued brand in the not too distant future, most likely.
 
Originally posted by: adlep
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: adlep
1. Ford Fusion is really good...
2. The new gen Ford Focus is about to be released as well.

3. An upcomming smaller Ford Fiesta seems like a real winner!
See here

5th gear loves it

Seems like a really, really attractive small car...
Click to expand...

The auto industry's problems has nothing to do with products right now. GM has been putting out some awesome products the past few years but they're still f*cked.
Click to expand...

The only "awesome" product is Pontiac G8
Other than that, their mainstream cars like the Cobalt is just average.
Also, the GM is super stupid too because their midsize sedans - the Saturn Aura and decent Chevy Malibu are actually competing with each other for the consumer...
And of course their small car offering - Chevy Aveo is an embarrassment.
Click to expand...

It's a shame how badly GM competes against itself. If anything, the requirements to receive loans should help that (I.e. forcing GM to get rid of Saturn). The Malibu is a great car. GM didn't seem to realize how deep shit it was in as Ford did. Simply looking at their lines, it's clear Ford started much earlier. GM is looking at close to 2011 before they have a completely refreshed/new line that you can truly say is fully competitive. I don't know if they'll get rid of the Aveo for it, but the Chevy Spark looks like a great little car. The Cruze should finally give GM a compact on par with its competitors (basically fleet sales and deep discounts made the Cavalier and Cobalt sell). It's a shame that we're looking at a year at the earliest for some of those vehicles.

Originally posted by: VinylxScratches
Why isn't the Fiesta and Falcon in America?
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We're getting the Fiesta by the end of the year.
 
Originally posted by: adlep
Originally posted by: JMapleton
If you knew anything about finance, you'd know there is very little that can bail Ford out of their situation.

A company can sell tons of cars and still go bankrupt.
Click to expand...

Hmm,
It seems that you don't know much about Ford situation. They are the only "big" 3 company that did not use their government line of credit yet.
I say that Ford is actually in the best shape - they have a significant presence in Europe and China and their small car - the Fiesta will sell like a hotcakes across the world...
🙂
Click to expand...
The reason that Ford did not ask for loans is because they are flush with cash. The reason they have so much, is because their CEO Alan Mulally, hocked the entire corporation, lock stock and barrel including their headquarters about 18 months ago. This is the equivalent of you mortgaging your house to the hilt, then getting a home equity loan on top of it, having your employer cut your hours down and your pay 25%. You'd be shitting bricks. I'm sure Mr. Mulally is not sleeping well some nights.

One domestic will survive. Right now it looks like it will be Ford. They will not survive without federal dollars. You can quote me on that for posterity. The survivor will find out the true price of the federal money, when they are dictated to in regards to what products they build and sell. No such requirements will be able to be forced on foreign automakers.

We'll see what the public really wants to buy, assuming their confidence in our economy returns to the point that they actually want to buy a new car.

So, buy Ford stock .......... or not.
 
Originally posted by: boomerang
Originally posted by: adlep
Originally posted by: JMapleton
If you knew anything about finance, you'd know there is very little that can bail Ford out of their situation.

A company can sell tons of cars and still go bankrupt.
Click to expand...

Hmm,
It seems that you don't know much about Ford situation. They are the only "big" 3 company that did not use their government line of credit yet.
I say that Ford is actually in the best shape - they have a significant presence in Europe and China and their small car - the Fiesta will sell like a hotcakes across the world...
🙂
Click to expand...
The reason that Ford did not ask for loans is because they are flush with cash. The reason they have so much, is because their CEO Alan Mulally, hocked the entire corporation, lock stock and barrel including their headquarters about 18 months ago. This is the equivalent of you mortgaging your house to the hilt, then getting a home equity loan on top of it, having your employer cut your hours down and your pay 25%. You'd be shitting bricks. I'm sure Mr. Mulally is not sleeping well some nights.

One domestic will survive. Right now it looks like it will be Ford. They will not survive without federal dollars. You can quote me on that for posterity. The survivor will find out the true price of the federal money, when they are dictated to in regards to what products they build and sell. No such requirements will be able to be forced on foreign automakers.

We'll see what the public really wants to buy, assuming their confidence in our economy returns to the point that they actually want to buy a new car.

So, buy Ford stock .......... or not.
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If Alan isn't getting sleep at night, it's not due to his fire sale.
Most of those had to go. Aston Martin was profitable, however that doesn't mean hanging on to it is always the right thing to do. Jaguar had to go, same with Land Rover. Their Mazda share sale was smart. They are still the majority shareholder, and they still retain a seat on Mazda's board.
--edit--Even if Ford sold 100% of all they had of Mazda, that does not spell the end of their relationship as far co-operative development goes. They like each other for mutual interests and the trade-offs they receive. Ford bankrolls stateside Mazda plants to produce Ford vehicles and parts, and in return, Ford gets Mazda developed tech to throw into any car that will benefit from that.
 
Originally posted by: adlep
Originally posted by: JMapleton
If you knew anything about finance, you'd know there is very little that can bail Ford out of their situation.

A company can sell tons of cars and still go bankrupt.
Click to expand...

Hmm,
It seems that you don't know much about Ford situation. They are the only "big" 3 company that did not use their government line of credit yet.
I say that Ford is actually in the best shape - they have a significant presence in Europe and China and their small car - the Fiesta will sell like a hotcakes across the world...
🙂
Click to expand...

I like ford, and I like to hear they are doing well.

But the reason they haven't touched their line of credit from uncle sam yet is that they secured a massive line of credit immediately prior to the shit-hitting-the-fan from private lendors, just really good timing.

They are burning cash just as quickly as the other two.
 
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