buwhahaah...if there's one thread you read in P&N today, this it it.

[sierrita]

Originally posted by: her209
Helloooo Freedom Camps.

OMG I laughed and cried so hard at the same time when I read that.



:brokenheart:

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: sierrita

Originally posted by: her209
Helloooo Freedom Camps.

OMG I laughed and cried so hard at the same time when I read that.



:brokenheart:

"Work Makes Freedom"

Where have we seen that phrase before?





:roll:

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Originally posted by: her209
Helloooo Freedom Camps.

[/quote]

:laugh:

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
With about 1,000 properly sampled adults, you can get a good understanding of 150,000,000 or so adults in the US.

Honestly, if you don't think that the US as a majority isn't against anyone who is not straight, white and christian you need your perception skills checked.

The average consenus is:

Muslims/Arabs are terrorists

Blacks commit most crimes and we're scared of them

Mexicans feed on my hard earned money

The Asians are the worst though, if they are not communisting around your backs they are stealing the jobs.

No, sorry, the Europeans are the worst, racist scumbags, the lot of them, not at all like the American freedom loving Patriotic people.

All hail the grandious leader, say hail, say hail, hail Bush!

How do you happen to know what the perceptions of the average American is today?

 

[AnImuS]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: AnImuS
Good. either this or export them.

How about exporting you?

Racism is cool if you are on the right side.

Muslims will bring disorder to the US if left unchecked. This is happening as we speak in russia,asia,africa,europe, ect. Its not too late to fix it.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: Megamorph

One of the primary responsibilites of the U.S. government is to protect its people. Political correctness should not stand in the way of a legitimate effort to do this. It makes perfect sense to restrict and control Muslims in the United States. Just as it makes perfect sense to profile Muslims at the airport and other places. Not doing so only places more lives at risk and further threatens the security of this country. If Muslims are offended by this or cannot accept it, there are alternatives. They were not forced to come to this country and are not forced to stay here. Muslim-Americans are just going to have to accept the fact that the security of the United States and its population is the most important factor.

Not restricting the civil liberties of Muslims, or any other group of people, for the greater good of the country would be ridiculous.

Yay for the new police state! Who really needs freedom and liberty anyways? They just interfere with the governments job of protecting us from the evil ones. They that can give up essential safety to obtain a little temporary liberty deserve neither liberty nor safety, right?.
:thumbsdown:

If Muslims are offended by this or cannot accept it, there are alternatives. They were not forced to come to this country and are not forced to stay here.

By restricting muslims freedoms you open the door and make it that much easier for the government to restrict all of our freedoms. I say that if you are so scared of muslims and cannot accept the concept of freedom and the bill of rights, there are alternatives. You are not forced to stay in this country. If you love authoritarian states so much perhaps you should move to one. You are just going to have to accept the fact that freedom is the most important factor.
🙂

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Originally posted by: AnImuS

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: AnImuS
Good. either this or export them.

How about exporting you?

Racism is cool if you are on the right side.

Muslims will bring disorder to the US if left unchecked. This is happening as we speak in russia,asia,africa,europe, ect. Its not too late to fix it.

:disgust:

Let me guess, every muslim is a terrorist?

:roll:

 

[NesuD]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
What a great idea! From your rationalzation of it a great way to fix the economy would to enslave the blacks again. (But once things are back on track we can just apologize.)
Oh wait even better we'll just have fox news lie and tell everyone slaves were never free in the first place and they wanted to be enslaved :roll:

Dolt! that wasn't a rationalization it was an observation and a pretty accurate one at that. Quit being such an idiot!.

 

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: Megamorph
Quite frankly, I am shocked that a larger percentage of the population doesn't support restrictions on Muslims. I have to ask myself, "How stupid are people?" The bottom line is this -- the vast majority of terrorists roaming the earth today are Muslims. It's not right-wing Christians, wacked-out liberals, tree-huggers, Asians, Mexicans, Baptists, Catholics, Indians, Scientologists, Pantera fans, or any other group. It is MUSLIMS. More specifically those of Middle Eastern descent.

One of the primary responsibilites of the U.S. government is to protect its people. Political correctness should not stand in the way of a legitimate effort to do this. It makes perfect sense to restrict and control Muslims in the United States. Just as it makes perfect sense to profile Muslims at the airport and other places. Not doing so only places more lives at risk and further threatens the security of this country. If Muslims are offended by this or cannot accept it, there are alternatives. They were not forced to come to this country and are not forced to stay here. Muslim-Americans are just going to have to accept the fact that the security of the United States and its population is the most important factor.

Not restricting the civil liberties of Muslims, or any other group of people, for the greater good of the country would be ridiculous.

While we are at it i think that we should restrict all white men from having corporate jobs. They commit all of the corporate crime and "white collar" crime. Also, we should monitor them becuse the do most of the child molestation in the schools and churches. Im not done, white men also have the monopoly on serial killing so we need monitor and register all white men.

BTW - why are we always equated a terrorist with a race or a religion. Since WHEN has racism, or molestation - been associated with the "white" race or "christianity"?
Nobody ever says "Christian Racism" or Christian Pedofilia" ---Things like this are never associated with a race of people or a religion. All the cops that have killed and shot people on purpose have all been white and probably christian. - nobody assocaites that together. Maybe we should start using terms like "Christian institutionalized slavery" or "Christian Genocide of native americans."

You fools that think anybody should be monitored are idiots, do you know how long it will take for you to fit into some group that will be monitored in the future. Use your brain for more that a freakin hat rack and stop dreaming of terrorist and religious tales that are already over exxxxxagerated.

 

[AnImuS]

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy

Originally posted by: AnImuS

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: AnImuS
Good. either this or export them.

How about exporting you?

Racism is cool if you are on the right side.

Muslims will bring disorder to the US if left unchecked. This is happening as we speak in russia,asia,africa,europe, ect. Its not too late to fix it.

:disgust:

Let me guess, every muslim is a terrorist?

:roll:

Not yet, But what will you do when muslims start flooding even more into the US and we end up living in a society like israel/russia/india ect. What better way to destroy the enemy then from within. The fact that its happening around us and you seem to ignore it is stupid. Pay special attention to how France handles their muslim population. only time will tell if im wrong or not.

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Originally posted by: AnImuS
Not yet, But what will you do when muslims start flooding even more into the US and we end up living in a society like israel/russia/india ect. What better way to destroy the enemy then from within. The fact that its happening around us

😕

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy

Originally posted by: AnImuS
Not yet, But what will you do when muslims start flooding even more into the US and we end up living in a society like israel/russia/india ect. What better way to destroy the enemy then from within. The fact that its happening around us

😕

indeed... you should be aware that no one in power is willing to state what you just said.

if you think Islam is going to destroy your nation, then you haven't much faith in that nation to begin with.

 

[Kibbo]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy

Originally posted by: AnImuS
Not yet, But what will you do when muslims start flooding even more into the US and we end up living in a society like israel/russia/india ect. What better way to destroy the enemy then from within. The fact that its happening around us

😕

indeed... you should be aware that no one in power is willing to state what you just said.

if you think Islam is going to destroy your nation, then you haven't much faith in that nation to begin with.

Agreed.

If your culture is so weak, is it really worth saving?

 

[Kibbo]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: Kibbo

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Cornell student researchers questioned 715 people in the nationwide telephone poll conducted this fall. The margin of error was 3.6 percentage points.

You can extrpolate from 715 people to a nation of almost 300,000,000? Hmmm.

Also, I'd like to see the questions.

As long as the sample selection and question structure didn't bias the study in any way, then yes, yes you can.

With a margin of error of 3.6%, to be exact.

Funny, you don't bring up this critical reasoning when you post statistics.

Edit:
Rip thread #1
Rip thread #2

Hmm. . . no mention of caution regarding how to interpret these polls

I'm inclined to believe we won't be seeing anymore threads by Rip posting poll statistics. Unless Rip is a hypocrite, that is.






Hmmm, after giving it some more thought I guess we will be seeing more poll statistics by Rip.

Whether or not Rip is a hypocrite is irrelevant to the argument at hand. He could be a hypocrite and still be right. Like when my mom used to tell me not to smoke, with a cigarette in her hand. This is why I withdrew that particular argument.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: AcidicFury

Originally posted by: Megamorph
Quite frankly, I am shocked that a larger percentage of the population doesn't support restrictions on Jews. I have to ask myself, "How stupid are people?" The bottom line is this -- the vast majority of evildoers roaming the earth today are Jews. It's not right-wing Christians, wacked-out liberals, tree-huggers, Asians, Mexicans, Baptists, Catholics, Indians, Scientologists, Pantera fans, or any other group. It is JEWS. More specifically those with successful businesses.

One of the primary responsibilites of the German Nazi government is to protect its people. Political correctness should not stand in the way of a legitimate effort to do this. It makes perfect sense to restrict and control Jews in the Nazi Germany. Just as it makes perfect sense to profile Jews at the airport and other places. Not doing so only places more lives at risk and further threatens the security of this country. If Jews are offended by this or cannot accept it, there are alternatives. They were not forced to come to this country and are not forced to stay here. Jewish-Germans are just going to have to accept the fact that the security of Nazi Germany and its population is the most important factor.

Not restricting the civil liberties of Jews, or any other group of people, for the greater good of the country would be ridiculous.

This, paraphrased of course, is just what Hitler said in 1939. Think about what your post entails. I did not do this to offend anyone, just to show Megamorph what type of statement he made.

Break out the Freedom camps. :/

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
With about 1,000 properly sampled adults, you can get a good understanding of 150,000,000 or so adults in the US.

Honestly, if you don't think that the US as a majority isn't against anyone who is not straight, white and christian you need your perception skills checked.

The average consenus is:

Muslims/Arabs are terrorists

Blacks commit most crimes and we're scared of them

Mexicans feed on my hard earned money

The Asians are the worst though, if they are not communisting around your backs they are stealing the jobs.

No, sorry, the Europeans are the worst, racist scumbags, the lot of them, not at all like the American freedom loving Patriotic people.

All hail the grandious leader, say hail, say hail, hail Bush!

How do you happen to know what the perceptions of the average American is today?

I hate to brake it to you, but every piece of information available to you is availabe to me too.

Polls may lie, but elections do not.

The vote to restrict the rights of homosexuals could be to restrict the rights of Muslims, the result would, most probably be the same. Now think about that for a minute.

So, unless the American people vote AGAINST their will, i am obviously right. thanks for playing though.

 

[IronMentality]

This thread is COMPLETE TRASH. Your going to take a poll done by a left-wing university that polls 700 or so people and equate it to 280 million that live in the United States?

This is about as accurate as the exit polls in the last election or Reagan vs. Mondale. Come on, get real.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: IronMentality
This thread is COMPLETE TRASH. Your going to take a poll done by a left-wing university that polls 700 or so people and equate it to 280 million that live in the United States?

This is about as accurate as the exit polls in the last election or Reagan vs. Mondale. Come on, get real.

You are saying most Americans don't feel that the real terrorist threat is from the Arab world?

I am willing to bet everything i own that you are wrong.

Are you up for tha bet?

I mean, this is, after all people who voted FOR discrimination based on sexual preferance with an overwhelming majority.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Martin
That's quite obviously wrong. I know for a fact (from our very own CanOWorms) that it is only those xenophobic racist liberal socialist Europeans who do this kind of thing..

I never said that. I know for a fact (from our very own Martin) that Europeans are genetically superior to anyone else in the world and that colonialism was a glorious time for the world 😕

I've even posted an article very similar to this one a few months ago. But hey, don't let reality get in the way.

Really, you posted something that wasn't about Europeans being racists? I call shens until you provide a link.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...rc&highlight_key=y

link

I don't understand why so many Europeans get so uppity when someone has criticism for them, especially in regards to their discriminatory government policies. As long as they continue to think of themselves as superior, their problems aren't going to be relieved. But maybe that's what they want.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Martin
That's quite obviously wrong. I know for a fact (from our very own CanOWorms) that it is only those xenophobic racist liberal socialist Europeans who do this kind of thing..

I never said that. I know for a fact (from our very own Martin) that Europeans are genetically superior to anyone else in the world and that colonialism was a glorious time for the world 😕

I've even posted an article very similar to this one a few months ago. But hey, don't let reality get in the way.

Really, you posted something that wasn't about Europeans being racists? I call shens until you provide a link.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...rc&highlight_key=y

link

I don't understand why so many Europeans get so uppity when someone has criticism for them, especially in regards to their discriminatory government policies. As long as they continue to think of themselves as superior, their problems aren't going to be relieved. But maybe that's what they want.

Oh, it was just about bashing EU countries after all?

Of course it was, it always is with you.

This Nazi Jew is done with you, bye.

 

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: beyoku

Originally posted by: Megamorph
Quite frankly, I am shocked that a larger percentage of the population doesn't support restrictions on Muslims. I have to ask myself, "How stupid are people?" The bottom line is this -- the vast majority of terrorists roaming the earth today are Muslims. It's not right-wing Christians, wacked-out liberals, tree-huggers, Asians, Mexicans, Baptists, Catholics, Indians, Scientologists, Pantera fans, or any other group. It is MUSLIMS. More specifically those of Middle Eastern descent.

One of the primary responsibilites of the U.S. government is to protect its people. Political correctness should not stand in the way of a legitimate effort to do this. It makes perfect sense to restrict and control Muslims in the United States. Just as it makes perfect sense to profile Muslims at the airport and other places. Not doing so only places more lives at risk and further threatens the security of this country. If Muslims are offended by this or cannot accept it, there are alternatives. They were not forced to come to this country and are not forced to stay here. Muslim-Americans are just going to have to accept the fact that the security of the United States and its population is the most important factor.

Not restricting the civil liberties of Muslims, or any other group of people, for the greater good of the country would be ridiculous.

While we are at it i think that we should restrict all white men from having corporate jobs. They commit all of the corporate crime and "white collar" crime. Also, we should monitor them becuse the do most of the child molestation in the schools and churches. Im not done, white men also have the monopoly on serial killing so we need monitor and register all white men.

BTW - why are we always equated a terrorist with a race or a religion. Since WHEN has racism, or molestation - been associated with the "white" race or "christianity"?
Nobody ever says "Christian Racism" or Christian Pedofilia" ---Things like this are never associated with a race of people or a religion. All the cops that have killed and shot people on purpose have all been white and probably christian. - nobody assocaites that together. Maybe we should start using terms like "Christian institutionalized slavery" or "Christian Genocide of native americans."

You fools that think anybody should be monitored are idiots, do you know how long it will take for you to fit into some group that will be monitored in the future. Use your brain for more that a freakin hat rack and stop dreaming of terrorist and religious tales that are already over exxxxxagerated.

 

[Lizardman]

same thing happend during WWII just to the japanese instead of a people based on their religion

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Oh, it was just about bashing EU countries after all?

Of course it was, it always is with you.

This Nazi Jew is done with you, bye.

None of those posts are about the EU.

Take that flag off your head and drop the European superiority belief. Oh no, a brown person is criticizing Europe! He shouldn't be allowed to disagree with his masters! It's always that with you.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Cornell student researchers questioned 715 people in the nationwide telephone poll conducted this fall. The margin of error was 3.6 percentage points.

You can extrpolate from 715 people to a nation of almost 300,000,000? Hmmm.

Also, I'd like to see the questions.

Seems that this poll caused a lot of questioning.

What Do 44% of Americans Believe?:
Newspapers and websites around the world are reporting what purport to be the results of a Cornell University poll on attitudes of Americans towards Muslims in the United States. The newspapers and websites are reporting that 44% of Americans say that they want to curtail the civil liberties of Muslim Americans. Here is the summary from the Associated Press:

Nearly half of all Americans surveyed said they think the US government should restrict the civil liberties of Muslim Americans, according to a nationwide poll.
. . .
The survey indicated that 44 percent of those surveyed said they favored at least some restrictions on the civil liberties of Muslim Americans. Forty-eight percent said liberties should not be restricted.

These are extremely disturbing figures that will be accepted by hundreds of millions or even billions of people around the world. But there is something important that the press reports overlook: the 44% of people polled did not actually say that they wanted to curtail the civil liberties of Muslim Americans. Rather, 44% of peple reported views that the Cornell University pollsters themselves categorize as being support for the curtailment of the civil liberties of Muslim Americans.

I found the report on the poll here. It turns out that the pollsters asked people to agree or disagree with four statements:

1) Muslim civic and volunteer organizations should be infiltrated by undercover law enforcement agents to keep watch on their activities and fundraising.
2) U.S. government agencies should profile citizens as potential threats based on being Muslim or having Middle Eastern heritage.
3) Mosques should be closely monitored and surveilled by U.S. law enforcement agencies.
4) All Muslim Americans should be required to register their whereabouts with the federal government.

For each of these statements, between 20 and 30 percent of the subjects agreed; most disagreed. Overall, the study reports, 29% of the subjects agreed with 2 or more of these statements, and 15% agreed with one of them. (Some of these numbers don't quite add up, I think, but see page 6 of the report for the figures.)

I don't want to be nitpicky, but am I right in thinking that a certain amount of spin is involved in how this poll is being reported? The pollsters made a judgment call that if you agree with any one of these statements, you are in favor of curtailing the civil liberties of Muslim Americans. Thus, the pollsters are claiming, and advocacy groups such as CAIR are trumpeting, that 44% of Americans are in favor of curtailing the civil liberties of Muslims.

But is that really what the poll shows? Most of the questions are quite vague, and use lots of buzzwords. Take the statement: "Muslim civic and volunteer organizations should be infiltrated by undercover law enforcement agents to keep watch on their activities and fundraising." There have been many press reports of Muslim civil and volunteer organizations being used as fronts for terrorist financing schemes. If you believe these reports are probably true, or just may be true, you might reasonably want the FBI to investigate the organizations. You would then answer that you agree with the statement. Does that really mean you want to curtail the civil liberties of Muslims?

Of course, this is not to say that the poll results are heartening. In particular, it is very disturbing that 29% of Americans would agree that "All Muslim Americans should be required to register their whereabouts with the federal government." I can imagine less damning explanations for this figure, but it is on the whole quite troubling. Nonetheless, the press reports around the world suggesting that 44% of Americans want to curtail civil liberties of Muslim Americans would appear to be at least misleading.