buwhahaah...if there's one thread you read in P&N today, this it it.

[pg22]

MSNBC

Nearly half of all Americans believe the U.S. government should restrict the civil liberties of Muslim-Americans, according to a nationwide poll.

The survey conducted by Cornell University also found that Republicans and people who described themselves as highly religious were more apt to support curtailing Muslims? civil liberties than Democrats or people who are less religious.

*shocker!!!*

Researchers also found that respondents who paid more attention to television news were more likely to fear terrorist attacks and support limiting the rights of Muslim-Americans.

*shocker!!!*

The survey showed that 27 percent of respondents supported requiring all Muslim-Americans to register where they lived with the federal government. Twenty-two percent favored racial profiling to identify potential terrorist threats. And 29 percent thought undercover agents should infiltrate Muslim civic and volunteer organizations to keep tabs on their activities and fund-raising.

Inf*ckingsane...

What's wrong with our nation?

 

[Engineer]

Does it really suprise you?

 

[pg22]

Well, I guess in the year 2004, I would expect more from the citizens of the most successful nation on our planet. But I guess that's expecting too much?

All I know is that I am so very glad that I grew up in Northern California and I now live in Southern California.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: pg22
Well, I guess in the year 2004, I would expect more from the citizens of the most successful nation on our planet. But I guess that's expecting too much?

All I know is that I am so very glad that I grew up in Northern California and I now live in Southern California.

51%

 

[Riprorin]

Cornell student researchers questioned 715 people in the nationwide telephone poll conducted this fall. The margin of error was 3.6 percentage points.

You can extrpolate from 715 people to a nation of almost 300,000,000? Hmmm.

Also, I'd like to see the questions.

 

[pg22]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: pg22
Well, I guess in the year 2004, I would expect more from the citizens of the most successful nation on our planet. But I guess that's expecting too much?

All I know is that I am so very glad that I grew up in Northern California and I now live in Southern California.

51%

sorry, I tried, but I'm just not getting you 🙂

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: pg22

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: pg22
Well, I guess in the year 2004, I would expect more from the citizens of the most successful nation on our planet. But I guess that's expecting too much?

All I know is that I am so very glad that I grew up in Northern California and I now live in Southern California.

51%

sorry, I tried, but I'm just not getting you 🙂

I believe Engineer refers to the 51% of Americans that purportedly voted for Bush who are primarily responsible for ruining the expectations you have for our nation.

 

[TheBDB]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Cornell student researchers questioned 715 people in the nationwide telephone poll conducted this fall. The margin of error was 3.6 percentage points.

You can extrpolate from 715 people to a nation of almost 300,000,000? Hmmm.

Also, I'd like to see the questions.

Ummm....that is how polls work.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Cornell student researchers questioned 715 people in the nationwide telephone poll conducted this fall. The margin of error was 3.6 percentage points.

You can extrpolate from 715 people to a nation of almost 300,000,000? Hmmm.

Also, I'd like to see the questions.

Soo... what do you think polls are? But yes, the questions in a survey can make a big difference.

 

[Kibbo]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Cornell student researchers questioned 715 people in the nationwide telephone poll conducted this fall. The margin of error was 3.6 percentage points.

You can extrpolate from 715 people to a nation of almost 300,000,000? Hmmm.

Also, I'd like to see the questions.

As long as the sample selection and question structure didn't bias the study in any way, then yes, yes you can.

With a margin of error of 3.6%, to be exact.

Funny, you don't bring up this critical reasoning when you post statistics.

Edit:
Rip thread #1
Rip thread #2

Hmm. . . no mention of caution regarding how to interpret these polls

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Kibbo

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Cornell student researchers questioned 715 people in the nationwide telephone poll conducted this fall. The margin of error was 3.6 percentage points.

You can extrpolate from 715 people to a nation of almost 300,000,000? Hmmm.

Also, I'd like to see the questions.

As long as the sample selection and question structure didn't bias the study in any way, then yes, yes you can.

With a margin of error of 3.6%, to be exact.

Funny, you don't bring up this critical reasoning when you post statistics.

Edit:
Rip thread #1
Rip thread #2

Hmm. . . no mention of caution regarding how to interpret these polls

"Lies, damned lies, and statistics":

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Kibbo

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Cornell student researchers questioned 715 people in the nationwide telephone poll conducted this fall. The margin of error was 3.6 percentage points.

You can extrpolate from 715 people to a nation of almost 300,000,000? Hmmm.

Also, I'd like to see the questions.

As long as the sample selection and question structure didn't bias the study in any way, then yes, yes you can.

With a margin of error of 3.6%, to be exact.

Funny, you don't bring up this critical reasoning when you post statistics.

Edit:
Rip thread #1
Rip thread #2

Hmm. . . no mention of caution regarding how to interpret these polls

Actually, I would imagine it's with a 95% chance of less than 3.6% error. (Which is also roughly a 65% chance of less than 1.8% error, FTR).

The issue with a survey like this isn't sample size; it's potentially biased questions or biased sample selection.

 

[Kibbo]

Yeah, thanks charlie. I just figgered that Rip wouldn't care about the finer details of error calculation.

C'mon man, can't you let me get away with some ball-busting?

My basic argument (apart from rendering the sample size thing irrelevant, which you just did oh so much more ably than I) was actually an ad hominem, which I didn't realize until I was in the shower later.

So, argument withdrawn.

Edit: And Rip, I agree with you that individual surveys should always be viewed with caution. And am well aware of how they can be used to manipulate. Check out the second thread of this thread to see a real-life example I posted earlier.

 

[piasabird]

The Media is doing a good job at getting Americans to fear and want to control Muslims in America. The Media wants nothing less but to create a fear of the Muslim Extremists. It is the Media that is behind all the Fear Mongering. Every day they want to present how many soldiers died in Iraq. However, I dont see any front line news about what is actually going on in Iraq. You would think the US accomplishes nothing in Iraq. The media presents a totally one sided look at the war. They are too chicken to get out of their Hotels.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: piasabird
The Media is doing a good job at getting Americans to fear and want to control Muslims in America. The Media wants nothing less but to create a fear of the Muslim Extremists. It is the Media that is behind all the Fear Mongering. Every day they want to present how many soldiers died in Iraq. However, I dont see any front line news about what is actually going on in Iraq. You would think the US accomplishes nothing in Iraq. The media presents a totally one sided look at the war. They are too chicken to get out of their Hotels.

Over three dozen journalists have died in Iraq so far. The fear mongering and xenophobia are all pure Bush administration as is hiding the number of casualties. Iraq is an unnecessary hell hole of Bush's own making.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

After the Fetterman Massacre, there was a backlash against Native Americans. After Pearl Harbor, there was a backlash against Japanese. After 9/11, there is a backlash against Muslims. A US Marine just killed a Romanian music star, and Romanians are pissed at all Americans in their country. Sad, wrong, but human nature nonetheless. So I wouldn't make it out to be more than it is. Yes, it sucks, but people are like that sometimes. Its called a reaction to FEAR, or maybe even post-traumatic stress.

But America's past shows that not only do we recover from it, we usually try to make up for it (which doesn't make it right, but does show that we regret our behavior). So in my opinion, recent events, as horrible as they've been, have not and will not alter America permanently. Most of us will return to normal...and those that don't were most likely ignorant even before 9/11.

 

[Steeplerot]

What a great idea! From your rationalzation of it a great way to fix the economy would to enslave the blacks again. (But once things are back on track we can just apologize.)
Oh wait even better we'll just have fox news lie and tell everyone slaves were never free in the first place and they wanted to be enslaved :roll:

 

[Martin]

That's quite obviously wrong. I know for a fact (from our very own CanOWorms) that it is only those xenophobic racist liberal socialist Europeans who do this kind of thing..

 

[her209]

Helloooo Freedom Camps.

 

[stratman]

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
After the Fetterman Massacre, there was a backlash against Native Americans. After Pearl Harbor, there was a backlash against Japanese. After 9/11, there is a backlash against Muslims. A US Marine just killed a Romanian music star, and Romanians are pissed at all Americans in their country. Sad, wrong, but human nature nonetheless. So I wouldn't make it out to be more than it is. Yes, it sucks, but people are like that sometimes. Its called a reaction to FEAR, or maybe even post-traumatic stress.

But America's past shows that not only do we recover from it, we usually try to make up for it (which doesn't make it right, but does show that we regret our behavior). So in my opinion, recent events, as horrible as they've been, have not and will not alter America permanently. Most of us will return to normal...and those that don't were most likely ignorant even before 9/11.

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
What a great idea! From your rationalzation of it a great way to fix the economy would to enslave the blacks again. (But once things are back on track we can just apologize.)
Oh wait even better we'll just have fox news lie and tell everyone slaves were never free in the first place and they wanted to be enslaved :roll:

I think you're being a little unfair Steeplerot. You have to be easy on him especially seeing he has only 2 posts 😛. He is saying that the backlash against muslims is wrong, just as the backlash against Japanese (American-Japanese even!) after pearl harbour was wrong, but it is to be expected.

He is saying exactly the same thing you are in your first post, only he is more cynical about human nature. He is disappointed in humanity, but he expected it. You are dissapointed in humanity, but you were shocked to find it.

Your second post is a far cry from what he actually said.

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: pg22
Twenty-two percent favored racial profiling to identify potential terrorist threats.

why is that such a bad idea?

 

[freegeeks]

where is Canoworms when you need him in this particular thread

 

[judasmachine]

freaking xenophobic idiots.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Kibbo

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Cornell student researchers questioned 715 people in the nationwide telephone poll conducted this fall. The margin of error was 3.6 percentage points.

You can extrpolate from 715 people to a nation of almost 300,000,000? Hmmm.

Also, I'd like to see the questions.

As long as the sample selection and question structure didn't bias the study in any way, then yes, yes you can.

With a margin of error of 3.6%, to be exact.

Funny, you don't bring up this critical reasoning when you post statistics.

Edit:
Rip thread #1
Rip thread #2

Hmm. . . no mention of caution regarding how to interpret these polls

I'm inclined to believe we won't be seeing anymore threads by Rip posting poll statistics. Unless Rip is a hypocrite, that is.






Hmmm, after giving it some more thought I guess we will be seeing more poll statistics by Rip.

 

[Megamorph]

Quite frankly, I am shocked that a larger percentage of the population doesn't support restrictions on Muslims. I have to ask myself, "How stupid are people?" The bottom line is this -- the vast majority of terrorists roaming the earth today are Muslims. It's not right-wing Christians, wacked-out liberals, tree-huggers, Asians, Mexicans, Baptists, Catholics, Indians, Scientologists, Pantera fans, or any other group. It is MUSLIMS. More specifically those of Middle Eastern descent.

One of the primary responsibilites of the U.S. government is to protect its people. Political correctness should not stand in the way of a legitimate effort to do this. It makes perfect sense to restrict and control Muslims in the United States. Just as it makes perfect sense to profile Muslims at the airport and other places. Not doing so only places more lives at risk and further threatens the security of this country. If Muslims are offended by this or cannot accept it, there are alternatives. They were not forced to come to this country and are not forced to stay here. Muslim-Americans are just going to have to accept the fact that the security of the United States and its population is the most important factor.

Not restricting the civil liberties of Muslims, or any other group of people, for the greater good of the country would be ridiculous.