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But it's a religion of peace!

zsdersw

zsdersw

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http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/05/12/four-iranian-men-due-to-be-hanged-for-sodomy/

Iran court sentence four men from the town of Choram, in the Kohgiluyeh and Boyer-Ahmad Province, to death by hanging for sodomy.

Four men named ‘Saadat Arefi’, ‘Vahid Akbari’, ‘Javid Akbari’ and ‘Houshmand Akbari’ are due to be executed shortly after their verdict was approved recently by high court judges, according to a report from the Human Rights Activist News Agency (HRANA) in Iran.

The four men are said to be from the town of Choram, in the Kohgiluyeh and Boyer-Ahmad Province of Iran.

According to HRANA and JOOPEA, these four men will be hanged for sodomy according Shari’a law.

A gay activist based in Iran said: ‘Although being gay is not a crime based on Iranian criminal law but this is the most clear statement against same sex-acts in past months.’

He added that ‘there wereof our other men hanged in past five months.’

London based Iranian Human Rights Lawyer, Mehri Jafari said: ‘I am horrified and saddened to have heard the news about these four men. Not only with regards to the execution which is about to take place, but the fact that is beyond our control.

‘There are two important issues in this case; the location of the alleged occurrence and the interpretation of the Sharia’ law that a Hodud (strict Sharia punishment) is eminent. Kohgiluyeh and Boyer-Ahmad is one of the most undeveloped provinces in Iran and it is obvious that a lack of access to lawyers and fair trial can be considered a serious issue in this case. After this announcement it is very likely that the execution will be carried out soon, and the remote location makes it difficult to exert any influence on the process.’

Mehri further pleaded: ‘I hope international organisations act quickly and effectively on this specific case.’

Gorji Marzban chairperson of the Austrian-based Oriental Queer Organization (ORQOA) said: ‘The recent death sentence for the four Iranian men is a shocking reality and demonstrates the discrepancy between Western and Islamic perception of queer life. The rhetoric of announcement makes the link between same-sex sexual activity, or sodomy with corporal punishment very clear. Last month the Iranian authorities hanged a young man and the local news agencies/authorities were intentionally unclear about the reason for the death penalty. In the case of these four men we have a clear text attributing the reason for hanging is sodomy.

‘The judicial denial of same-sex relationships in Iran stems from its relationship to Shari’a law and patriarchy. This is a warning signal not only for the queer population of Iran but also for all types of gender inclusive the heterosexuals who have sexual relations outside marriage.

‘The death penalty has failed to eradicate homosexuality from Iran but it was successful to force queer people into the closets. Sooner or later any Islamic community is obliged to integrate queer people. We believe that Iranians should gain more gender equality and rights and wholly condemn such an archaic sentence to murder which is inherently unislamic!’

Human Rights Watch (HRW) in its 2011 - We are a Buried Generation: Discrimination and Violence Against Sexual Minorities in Iran - stated that because trials on moral charges in Iran are usually held in closed sessions, it is difficult to determine what proportion of those charged and executed for same-sex conduct are gay and in what proportion the alleged offense was consensual.

Because of the lack of transparency, Human Rights Watch said: ‘It cannot be ruled out that Iran is sentencing sexual minorities who engage in consensual same-sex relations to death under the guise that they have committed forcible sodomy or rape.’

The issue of the death penalty for same-sex acts is further compounded by the fact that the Iranian legal code does not differentiate between rape and homosexual acts.

Furthermore, in many cases, it is often unclear whether the accused has actually committed a sexual act or it is a mere accusation based on some dispute. Even in the cases where the same-sex act has happened, often it is not clear whether the individuals involved are actually gay or it is an occasional act of sexual gratification.

Iranian Human Rights activists constantly note the fact that the two genders are strictly segregated increases the tendency for same-sex acts among the youth, in a phenomena that is also similarly known in single gender prisons. Indeed this phenomenon happens throughout highly segregated societies in the Middle East and North Africa.
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People could take ghandi's teachings and start killing for them. It doesn't mean his teachings weren't peaceful ones.
 
zsdersw said:
There is nothing peaceful about Sharia law.
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In all honesty I don't know enough about it to argue, I agree that the religion is flawed (on the basis that all religions are deeply flawed) but my understanding of Islam as a whole is that it is focused on peace not war.
 
HAL9000 said:
In all honesty I don't know enough about it to argue, I agree that the religion is flawed (on the basis that all religions are deeply flawed) but my understanding of Islam as a whole is that it is focused on peace not war.
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Your understanding of Islam is very limited.....

Any religion that calls for the killing of those who will not convert is NOT a peaceful religion....
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JEDIYoda said:
Your understanding of Islam is very limited.....

Any religion that calls for the killing of those who will not convert is NOT a peaceful religion....
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No religions are peaceful, because they band together the deluded with a shared sense of absolute moral authority over the rest of mankind.

But

Most religions, Islam included are meant to be peaceful, they just don't end up that way.
 
But isn't Sharia law based more upon what the religious/political leaders of a particular area or countries want enforced and not specifically about Islam?

It's a horrid situation regardless but it's not going to helped by a misunderstanding or mistranslation of the Quran.
 
JEDIYoda said:
padding your post count....what does the old testament have to with Islam?
Also obviously your understanding of the difference between the New and the Old Testament is lacking....
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I always find the fact that there is a New Testament funny. "Hmm..were not getting many converts with this Old Testament. Think its to vicious and mean spirited? Maybe we should write a new one that is nicer and more pleasing to people. That will surely get them lining up like good sheeple."
 
If they didn't want to be hanged, they shouldn't have been born gay. Also, I will not tolerate this intolerance of religious intolerance.
 
HAL9000 said:
People could take ghandi's teachings and start killing for them. It doesn't mean his teachings weren't peaceful ones.
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Ghandi VS a warlord who pillaged, raped, and murdered his way across the middle east....

While your point is valid, the comparison is poorly chosen.
 
soulcougher73 said:
I always find the fact that there is a New Testament funny. "Hmm..were not getting many converts with this Old Testament. Think its to vicious and mean spirited? Maybe we should write a new one that is nicer and more pleasing to people. That will surely get them lining up like good sheeple."
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You can attract more flies with honey than with vinegar.
 
soulcougher73 said:
I always find the fact that there is a New Testament funny. "Hmm..were not getting many converts with this Old Testament. Think its to vicious and mean spirited? Maybe we should write a new one that is nicer and more pleasing to people. That will surely get them lining up like good sheeple."
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???
That's not at all how the church rose. Constantine saw a cross a he looked to the sky before battle. After that, christianity had support from the government. It's basically the way North Korea is right now. Your religion is X because I told you so.

You can attract more flies with honey than with vinegar.
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This is just flat out wrong. Hitler would never rise to power if he said everything was cool. He got support because he blamed everything on jews and other minorities. Lenin and the bolsheviks took control after blaming everything on rich people and aristocrats. This was also the point of that book/movie Watchmen. The world was united by creating a common enemy, the giant squid.
 
ShawnD1 said:
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That's not at all how the church rose. Constantine saw a cross a he looked to the sky before battle. After that, christianity had support from the government. It's basically the way North Korea is right now. Your religion is X because I told you so.


This is just flat out wrong. Hitler would never rise to power if he said everything was cool. He got support because he blamed everything on jews and other minorities. Lenin and the bolsheviks took control after blaming everything on rich people and aristocrats. This was also the point of that book/movie Watchmen. The world was united by creating a common enemy, the giant squid.
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But Hitler also used religion for his own means and ends. The belt buckles of every Nazi soldier were emblazoned with the phrase "Gott Mit Uns" (God is with us). I'm not saying that creating a common enemy doesn't unite people; just that benevolent leaders and megalomaniacs (and everything in between) have (ab)used religion throughout the centuries for their own perverted reasons, usually centered around power and greed.

Never read the book or watched the movie, going by the Wiki page on the comics and the IMDB page about the movie I saw no references to a giant squid. I would think something like that would be a prominent feature and/or scene clip.

Perhaps you were thinking of the RPG adventure campaign, Call of Cthulu.
 
alzan said:
But Hitler also used religion for his own means and ends. The belt buckles of every Nazi soldier were emblazoned with the phrase "Gott Mit Uns" (God is with us). I'm not saying that creating a common enemy doesn't unite people; just that benevolent leaders and megalomaniacs (and everything in between) have (ab)used religion throughout the centuries for their own perverted reasons, usually centered around power and greed.
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None of this counters the fact that blaming somebody attracts more flies than not blaming somebody. That's the appeal of most religions. Nobody is going to flock to a religion that has intuitive rules; I could have thought of those rules on my own. To get support, you need to make up a whole new set of rules. The rules must be counter-intuitive so that people who have never heard of this religion would obviously never follow those rules. That way you can point at them and label them as the bad guys.

Example:
Catholic church says it's evil to have sex with people you love. You're only allowed to have sex with the person you are married to, and that's for life. If you have 10 girlfriends and you love all of them, you can't sleep with all of them. This is counter-intuitive. Your dick wants sex because that's how reproduction works. Your brain wants sex because sex is intimate and humans are social animals like that. By setting the rules in opposition to your instincts, it means everybody who is not part of this religion will be breaking the rules. Then you can label them as the cause of problems because suddenly they are different from you.

I can't remember which comedian said it, but this is sort of the logic behind the term "white trash". When there's no specific race or ethnic group to blame, separate white people into groups who are "trash" and not trash, then blame all of the problems on the trash.
 
Islam is not, never has been, and never will be a religion of peace. And the world would be a better place without it.
 
HAL9000 said:
No religions are peaceful, because they band together the deluded with a shared sense of absolute moral authority over the rest of mankind.

But

Most religions, Islam included are meant to be peaceful, they just don't end up that way.
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Show me another religion that calls for the killing of those who will not convert....Islam is like no other religion...ever...
 
soulcougher73 said:
I always find the fact that there is a New Testament funny. "Hmm..were not getting many converts with this Old Testament. Think its to vicious and mean spirited? Maybe we should write a new one that is nicer and more pleasing to people. That will surely get them lining up like good sheeple."
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I do not have the time to answer your misguided remark that is based on no knowledge of the Old or New testament other than your desire to try to claim that since one didn`t work they tried another way.....

The Old testament was basically under the Law......you broke the Law you got punished.....
The new testament is under age of Grace......but it get complicated real quick......
needless to say there is a real difference...and not just that since one didn`t work they decided to write another...
 
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