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Busting the myth of AMD longevity.

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Thinker_145

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You're either trolling or emotionally invested in showing AMD is worse than they are. Either way it's a waste of everyone's time.
Only a 7970 is a 7970. To try to use a newer generation product to fill in for an older generation product for a longevity comparison is completely illogical.

This thread has been reported as a troll thread, and I agree.
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Nope only a 7970 is a 7970 no substitute can come in to work for a true longevity comparison.
First of all, your OP references a 7970 GHz which is not the same as a regular 7970.

Secondly, a 280x is the same exact GPU as a 7970 GHz but at a lower clock speed.

So in a way you are correct, a 7970 GHz would kick the 680's ass even more than the 280x would.

And btw even if 1 generation of cards show a difference doesn't really mean much in the grand scheme of things.
More like three generations.

7970 beats 680 - generation 1

290 beats 780 - generation 2

390 beats 970 - generation 3
 

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First of all, your OP references a 7970 GHz which is not the same as a regular 7970.

Secondly, a 280x is the same exact GPU as a 7970 GHz but at a lower clock speed.

So in a way you are correct, a 7970 GHz would kick the 680's ass even more than the 280x would.



More like three generations.

7970 beats 680 - generation 1

290 beats 780 - generation 2

390 beats 970 - generation 3
Yes I am aware of that.

7970 does not beat 680 I already showed that.

390 and 970 were released poles apart in terms of timeline so not a fair comparison.
 

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Does not matter. It's a newer gen GPU so cannot come in to substitute for an older one.
Ok lets forget the 7970 for a moment.

Explain how your theory is valid when the two generations of AMD gpus that came after it (the 290 generation and the 390 generation) beat the Nvidia cards it competed with (the 780 and 970 respectively)?
 

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Ok lets forget the 7970 for a moment.

Explain how your theory is valid when the two generations of AMD gpus that came after it (the 290 generation and the 390 generation) beat the Nvidia cards it competed with (the 780 and 970 respectively)?
Still waiting for concrete data on the performance degradation of the 780 and how much it really is.

The 390 and 970 are released too far apart to be declared a "generation win".
 

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390 and 970 were released poles apart in terms of timeline so not a fair comparison.
Um, they were direct competitors sold around the same time for the same price.

7970 does not beat 680 I already showed that..
No, you showed us a video where the 680 beats the 7970 in SOME games. In that same video it beats it in other games. At best your video shows to be a tie.
 
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Um, they were direct competitors sold around the same time for the same price.



No, you showed us a video where the 680 beats the 7970 in SOME games. In that same video it beats it in other games. At best your video shows to be a tie.
They were released a year apart you know. So AMD beats out a 1 year old card? Wow that's some generation win.

I guess you didn't watch the video. The 2 cards were exactly the same when all the games were averaged.
 

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They were released a year apart you know. So AMD beats out a 1 year old card? Wow that's some generation win.
False. the GTX 970 released on September 18, 2014. The 390 was released on June 18, 2015. They were not a year apart.

I guess you didn't watch the video. The 2 cards were exactly the same when all the games were averaged.
That is what I said. Tied.

Now explain how the 290 beats a 780 so badly when they both came out in 2013.
 
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False. the GTX 970 released on September 18, 2014. The 390 was released on June 18, 2015. They were not a year apart.



That is what I said. Tied.

Now explain how the 290 beats a 780 so badly when they both came out in 2013.
9 months apart is a big time.

So the 7xxx series is a failure. Doesn't say anything about AMD cards having better longevity.
 

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They were released a year apart you know. So AMD beats out a 1 year old card? Wow that's some generation win.

I guess you didn't watch the video. The 2 cards were exactly the same when all the games were averaged.
390 / 390x were just rebrands of the 290/290x which released the year before the 970...

Also since we are looking at longevity:

https://www.computerbase.de/2017-01/radeon-hd-7970-290x-fury-x-vergleich/2/
https://www.computerbase.de/2017-01/geforce-gtx-780-980-ti-1080-vergleich/2/

@ 1440p:

BF1 7970 had 29 fps to 16 of the 680.
COD 3: 37.4 vs 25.4
Ryse: 35.7 vs 29.4
FC4: 35.3 vs 29.9
CoH 2: 35.9 vs 30
Dirt Showdown: 55.9 vs 45.5
Skyrim: 74.9 vs 69.5

The others are basically even with 7970 (not even GHZ version) slightly faster
 
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