Busting Flu Vaccine Myths and Misconceptions

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: elektrolokomotive
Flu vaccines contain thimerosal (mercury) used as a preservative. I'll pass. Safe Minds (www.safeminds.org) has an interesting pdf free for download that makes interesting reading. Go here to get it.

Absurd.

Fact: There are no, none nada valid peer reviewed and repeated studies showing that the minuscule, tiny, small amount of mercury in vaccines (most vaccines) causes any harm whatsoever.

I can back him up on that. Checking CINAHL, Medline and UpToDate reveals NOTHING about mercury in vaccines causing any problems. Those are the 3 heavy hitters for peer reviewed medical/nursing research.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: lokiju
I've never taken it and am not going to start either.

Humans have made it this far without it.

Bingo. That and there is no way in hell I'm letting someone stick a damn needle into me. I'll take my chances with my normal immune system. I don't know why it's suddenly this big friggin' health scare, when I was little there was no flu vaccine and I never suffered because of it.

Bad enough that eye doctors always try to use those stupid eye drops. I have to refuse every bloody time.

ZV

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Amused
It is everyone's responsibility to get immunized so as not to spread this illness.

Wow, Amused just became a socialist. I cannot share your sentiment comrade.

ZV

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Citrix
no they dont.

Really? Have valid proof?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: AmusedIt is everyone's responsibility to get immunized so as not to spread this illness.

Wow, Amused just became a socialist. I cannot share your sentiment comrade.

ZV

No, a socialist would make vaccination mandatory.

An individualist would try to educate people and urge them to get the shot for the safety of themselves, their loved ones, their friends, and the rest of society.

 

[Feldenak]

I won't be getting it. I don't work with children, elderly, or sick people.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: AmusedIt is everyone's responsibility to get immunized so as not to spread this illness.

Wow, Amused just became a socialist. I cannot share your sentiment comrade.

ZV

Then call me a socialist too. I wholeheartly agree. peer reviewed studies show that it can and does reduce sick days, reduce incidents ofupper respiratory infections etc. Perhaps now you dont need the vaccine now because you are young and healthy but once you get above about 55 or greater.....definitely time for the vaccine...

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: lokiju
I've never taken it and am not going to start either.

Humans have made it this far without it.

Bingo. That and there is no way in hell I'm letting someone stick a damn needle into me. I'll take my chances with my normal immune system. I don't know why it's suddenly this big friggin' health scare, when I was little there was no flu vaccine and I never suffered because of it.

Bad enough that eye doctors always try to use those stupid eye drops. I have to refuse every bloody time.

ZV

Really now?

Tell me, how far do you think you would have made it without the eradication of Small Pox because of vaccination? Polio?

Do you realize there is a better than 75-80% chance you would not be here if standard childhood vaccinations were not given to the general population?

It's a big friggin health scare because the flu kills 36,000 people every year.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Amused
No, a socialist would make vaccination mandatory.

An individualist would try to educate people and urge them to get the shot for the safety of themselves, their loved ones, their friends, and the rest of society.

I believe Rand termed that the "Argument from intimidation". Great for guilt trips, but otherwise somewhat less than flimsy.

What you are saying amounts to, "Only someone who didn't care about others would disagree with my position."

You're usually much better than this.

ZV

 

[Golgatha]

There's the rub. The immune system is responding (it responds to HIV too you know) and it is being tasked more than normal. This leads to a higher risk for contracting an illness while your body is producing the anti-bodies necessary for the prevention of influenza.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: lokiju
I've never taken it and am not going to start either.

Humans have made it this far without it.

Meanwhile, the spread of the flu kills tens of thousands of elderly, immune deficient and young each year and hospitalizes hundreds of thousands.

There is no reason to spread a virus if you don't have to. Just because your body can handle it does not mean those you spread it to can.

Why do humans insist on fighting evolution? Let natural selection do it's thing.

 

[d3n]

If you think the preservatives you get in food are bad check out the crap they use to keep the shelf lives of vaccines manageable. I think the premise is valuable and effective but the delivery is pretty archaic and dangerous, on the level of asbestos and lead paint.

Yes I get one every year. I am ordered to.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: lokiju
I've never taken it and am not going to start either.

Humans have made it this far without it.

Meanwhile, the spread of the flu kills tens of thousands of elderly, immune deficient and young each year and hospitalizes hundreds of thousands.

There is no reason to spread a virus if you don't have to. Just because your body can handle it does not mean those you spread it to can.

Why do humans insist on fighting evolution? Let natural selection do it's thing.

Say that after your own child dies from a preventable childhood disease. Say that after your parents or grandparents die from a preventable disease.

Better yet, think long and hard about how you would act if I came in the hospital directly after your child dies, and said this to your face.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: d3n
If you think the preservatives you get in food are bad check out the crap they use to keep the shelf lives of vaccines manageable. I think the premise is valuable and effective but the delivery is pretty archaic and dangerous, on the level of asbestos and lead paint.

Yes I get one every year. I am ordered to.

Sigh... Again:

Absurd.

Fact: There are no, none nada valid peer reviewed and repeated studies showing that the minuscule, tiny, small amount of mercury in vaccines (most vaccines) causes any harm whatsoever.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Amused
Really now?

Tell me, how far do you think you would have made it without the eradication of Small Pox because of vaccination? Polio?

Do you realize there is a better than 75-80% chance you would not be here if standard childhood vaccinations were not given to the general population?

It's a big friggin health scare because the flu kills 36,000 people every year.

Funny, both of those diseases existed long before vaccines were created for them and yet somehow we managed to survive long enough to develop the vaccines. Strange.

36,000 people each year. Wow. A whole 0.012% of the US population. And 10,000 fewer people than are killed by automobile accidents. Sorry, but something at affects only 0.012% of a population is no epidemic, and no major concern to the population as a whole.

ZV

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Amused
Say that after your parents or grandparents dies from a preventable disease.

Two of mine did, the other died of complications from Parkinson's (grandparents). I assume that my parents will as well when their time comes. It's part of being old. Beats living forever.

It's no joyous thing, but there's no point in imagining that it can be prevented. Fact: The very old and the very young will die at higher rates than the rest of the population. Emotionally, this is rough, but factually it will never change.

ZV

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Amused
Really now?

Tell me, how far do you think you would have made it without the eradication of Small Pox because of vaccination? Polio?

Do you realize there is a better than 75-80% chance you would not be here if standard childhood vaccinations were not given to the general population?

It's a big friggin health scare because the flu kills 36,000 people every year.

Funny, both of those diseases existed long before vaccines were created for them and yet somehow we managed to survive long enough to develop the vaccines. Strange.

36,000 people each year. Wow. A whole 0.012% of the US population. And 10,000 fewer people than are killed by automobile accidents. Sorry, but something at affects only 0.012% of a population is no epidemic, and no major concern to the population as a whole.

ZV

Before vaccines there was a better than 2 in 3 chance you would not have survived childhood.

36,000 die from an illness that is, for the most part, preventable by you getting a little prick in the arm. 36,000 children, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, grandparents.

Another 200,000+ hospitalizations.

Talking sh!t about evolution and disease is all fine and dandy, until you realize that odds are YOU would not be here if it wasn't for modern medicine.

Tell me, have you had vaccinations? Taken antibiotics? Been cured or treated for any illness?

Of course you have. And, of course, that's hypocrisy on your part.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Amused
36,000 die from an illness that is, for the most part, preventable by you getting a little prick in the arm. 36,000 children, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, grandparents.

And we're back to the argument from intimidation. Nice little circle here.

I don't know about you, but I sure as hell don't manage to come into contact with 36,000 people each winter. Besides, those 36,000 people would just die from something else if they didn't get the flu.

ZV

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Amused
Tell me, have you had vaccinations? Taken antibiotics? Been cured or treated for any illness?

Of course you have. And, of course, that's hypocrisy on your part.

The only vaccinations I have ever had have been compulsory. I have never had a voluntary needle stick. Never. And unless I have a real and immediate threat of death, I never will.

Pills have no bearing on this. I have never expressed a problem with taking pills.

ZV

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Amused
36,000 die from an illness that is, for the most part, preventable by you getting a little prick in the arm. 36,000 children, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, grandparents.

And we're back to the argument from intimidation. Nice little circle here.

I don't know about you, but I sure as hell don't manage to come into contact with 36,000 people each winter. Besides, those 36,000 people would just die from something else if they didn't get the flu.

ZV

Boy, someone needs a little education in epidemiology. YOU may not come in contact with 36,000 people, but your flu virus can in a very short time.

Sure, everyone dies. But why let them die from something we can prevent?

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Amused
Really now?

Tell me, how far do you think you would have made it without the eradication of Small Pox because of vaccination? Polio?

Do you realize there is a better than 75-80% chance you would not be here if standard childhood vaccinations were not given to the general population?

It's a big friggin health scare because the flu kills 36,000 people every year.

Funny, both of those diseases existed long before vaccines were created for them and yet somehow we managed to survive long enough to develop the vaccines. Strange.

36,000 people each year. Wow. A whole 0.012% of the US population. And 10,000 fewer people than are killed by automobile accidents. Sorry, but something at affects only 0.012% of a population is no epidemic, and no major concern to the population as a whole.

ZV

And the second another version of the Spanish Flu comes roaring along, you'll be begging for that prick in the arm. 36,000 dead is ALOT of people from something that is acute. It's not insidious and slow like coronary disease or high blood pressure. This is wham you are dead in <1.5 weeks.

 

[Armitage]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: lokiju
I've never taken it and am not going to start either.

Humans have made it this far without it.

Meanwhile, the spread of the flu kills tens of thousands of elderly, immune deficient and young each year and hospitalizes hundreds of thousands.

There is no reason to spread a virus if you don't have to. Just because your body can handle it does not mean those you spread it to can.

Why do humans insist on fighting evolution? Let natural selection do it's thing.

Agree - let's do away with the medical profession entirely so we can all live life as nature intended - nasty brutish and short.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Amused
Tell me, have you had vaccinations? Taken antibiotics? Been cured or treated for any illness?

Of course you have. And, of course, that's hypocrisy on your part.

The only vaccinations I have ever had have been compulsory. I have never had a voluntary needle stick. Never.

Pills have no bearing on this. I have never expressed a problem with taking pills.

ZV

So you have an irrational fear of needles? That's what this is all about?

Just use the nasal spray vaccine.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Amused
Sure, everyone dies. But why let them die from something we can prevent?

Because I have an admittedly irrational fear of needles and the benefit to me directly of a flu shot is insufficient enticement. Flu pills, no problem. But no SOB is jamming a needle into me unless I'm in immediate and direct threat of death.

ZV

 

[Armitage]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Amused
Tell me, have you had vaccinations? Taken antibiotics? Been cured or treated for any illness?

Of course you have. And, of course, that's hypocrisy on your part.

The only vaccinations I have ever had have been compulsory. I have never had a voluntary needle stick. Never. And unless I have a real and immediate threat of death, I never will.

Pills have no bearing on this. I have never expressed a problem with taking pills.

ZV

So you'd be ok with it if it were an oral vaccine? It's just the needle thing?