Busting Flu Vaccine Myths and Misconceptions

[KillerAngel]

Well, that article sure shut this thread the hell up. Nice work, Citrix.

 

[TraumaRN]

He posted about a bunch of different people. Find a group of them that proves it's not efficacious in a peer reviewed article. Well he found the one Lancet article but I could find just as many proving it works.

Point still stands it's better safe than sorry.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Some people have weak immune systems. They get sick 24/7. I know friends who visit the medical center at our school all the time. WTF. I've NEVER gone to the doctor for being sick except when I was a kid and what are you supposed to do with kids who get 103F fevers? And maybet hsi once when I was in 6th grade when I completely lost my voice in 1 night and my throat hurt... like Icouldn't talk at all.

If you're weak, get it.

I get sick maybe twice a year and mostly it's because I hang out with people who are sick too. Even when I'm sick, the worst I get is a runny nose adn what not.. A few pills of tylenol flu will clear that up and I'm good to go for the day. Just rest more, drink water when I feel slightly sick.

 

[d3n]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: d3n
If you think the preservatives you get in food are bad check out the crap they use to keep the shelf lives of vaccines manageable. I think the premise is valuable and effective but the delivery is pretty archaic and dangerous, on the level of asbestos and lead paint.

Yes I get one every year. I am ordered to.

Sigh... Again:

Absurd.

Fact: There are no, none nada valid peer reviewed and repeated studies showing that the minuscule, tiny, small amount of mercury in vaccines (most vaccines) causes any harm whatsoever.

I don't care. I have no problem telling Doctors to shove off and to take their high horse with them. It took a long time before asbestos was found to be harmful. Nanotech is being touted as the next big industrial boom. Well the particles that are being manufactured are so small that they and can slip past the bodies cellular defenses with ease. The preservative sodium benzoate has been found to be harmless. Guess what happens when it gets combined with Vitamin C in your kids juice drink. It makes benzene a know carcinogen.

I know there is a lot of quack science and so on,. People like that advise hair-brained solutions that are just as bad sometimes, like powered silver as an antibiotic. Well that crap builds up in your body too. I?d rather have the fungal spore?s thanks.

Simply put my issue with vaccines is that injecting mercury, among the hundreds of other components used in vaccines into my body goes against my good judgment. Vaccines and SIDS? I believe that. I had a coworker explain to me that their infant kid was dead the day after they had gone for a 3 month physical and some boosters. She didn?t link the vaccines but I thought it.

Was it that minute amount of mercury in the first vaccine that did it, or the second one, or third? wait mercury doesn?t leave the body; it builds up in the brain where it interferes with neural transmitters. Maybe it interfered with the ones tied to the kid?s autonomic nervous system when he went to bed that night. How are peer reviews supposed to study that?

I have no doubt that vaccines are very beneficial but we need to get smarter in the delivery and quit laying on our backs to accommodate a culture that thinks its ok to bundle all this other crap in with them like so many other manufacturing processes so they can get to market.

Don?t put blind faith in anything, use your eyes and ears and teach your kids to do the same.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Citrix
The medical community seems divided about the appropriateness of flu shots. While some research has shown that these immunizations may be beneficial for the elderly and immuno-compromised individuals, other research suggests that these shots are mostly ineffective. According to Richard Jedelsohn, MD, Associate Chairman of the New York State Immunization Advisory Council, 30% of these vaccines are not effective. In higher-risk groups, which include the people who are most in need of protection, flu and pneumonia vaccines are 50-60% ineffective. Doctors see many patients with the flu who have had their flu shot.
{Let?s Live magazine, by the Editor, Jan. 2000}

The FDA estimates that less than 10% of physicians report vaccine adverse effects, so when we are told that the benefits of a flu vaccination outweigh the risks, no one knows what the true risks are.

Congress and the American taxpayer have been defrauded about the alleged advantages of flu shots. Instead of being an effective prevention, evidence indicates that flu shots may be worthless. The benefit is for those who make money from them.
{?Flu shots? Do they really Work?? Dr. Kristine Severyn, RPh, PhD, founder and Director of Vaccine Policy Institute}

?I have heard from people who did get their flu shots and they still have come down with influenza, really feeling bad, having headaches and fever, and muscle aches,? says Joe Graedon. Dr. Sidney Wolfe of the Health Research Group advised not to use the new flu drugs because they are not effective. There are some reports that pain relievers like aspirin, acetaminophen, and ibuprofen, may increase viral replication.
{?People?s Pharmacy,? Jan. 22, 2000. Public Radio}

The influenza shot prevents the flu in only about 30 to 40% of the elderly population. In fact, getting vaccinated could give these people a false sense of protection, which might lead them to be less cautious. The flu shot does not protect a person from getting a host of other upper-respiratory-tract infections that also commonly circulate during the winter season. Although the CDC claims the flu vaccine is safe, a large body of anecdotal evidence shows a link between the flu shot and Guillain-Barre syndrome (which causes muscle weakness, pain and paralysis). It often takes weeks after any vaccination for disorders to become apparent.
{?Shots in the Dark,? Natural Health magazine, Nov./Dec. 1999}

The Wall Street Journal suggested that there isn't as much flu as there is advertising about the flu. Some doctors think it is less a matter of medicine than of marketing, and consumer groups say it?s all hype. They argue that the new drugs are expensive and they don't even work very well. Dr. Sydney Wolfe says the drug companies are inflaming people?s worries about the flu in order to sell their drugs. Doctors agree that the flu is serious, but some say the drug companys' campaign has reached epidemic proportions.
{?Flu Epidemic May Be Just a Flu Advertisement,? ?Outrage of the Month,? Public Citizen?s Health Letter. Taken from ABC World News Tonight story on Jan.11, 2000, with Peter Jennings and Ned Potter}

In the 1976 ?Swine Flu Fiasco,? medical officers warned that the ?swine flu? would be one of the worst epidemics in medical history, and millions of dollars were appropriated by Congress to develop and administer a vaccine to prepare for this ?killer flu.? Only a total of six cases were reported, but the ?swine flu? vaccine reportedly caused 565 cases of Guillain-Barre paralysis, 30 to 60 deaths and numerous other problems, including blindness and impotency. Although improvements have been made in flu vaccines since 1976, any and all flu vaccines are capable of causing Guillain-Barre.

Leon Chaitow in his book, ?Vaccinations and Immunizations: Dangers, Delusions and Alternatives,? says that there is strong evidence to link vaccines with allergies. For example, those adults receiving flu immunizations have shown a worsening of allergic symptoms. In one survey this occurred in six out of every seven people who were immunized, as well as a worsening of other symptoms. Chaitow also explains the ?Provocation Disease,? in which a vaccination against one disease leaves the body more susceptible to another disease. This occurs when there is a latent or incubating infection already present.
{?Vaccinations - Deception and Tragedy,? Michael Dye. 1999}

An article in ?The Lancet,? on ?Vaccination and the control of influenza,? described the effect of influenza vaccination on staff in the Post Office. After comparing absences due to sicknesses in over 50,000 employees in both the vaccinated and unvaccinated, it was concluded that the flu shots did not result in a significant reduction in flu. The effectiveness levels of flu vaccine can be down as low as 30%. Ever since the flu vaccine was introduced, published reports of ineffectiveness and adverse reactions, including deaths, were filling medical journals. Mass influenza immunization programs, instead of protecting, actually predispose many people to the disease and made them susceptible through the process of desensitization to serious, and indeed, fatal outcomes.

Legionnaires? Disease outbreaks (even in different parts of the U.S.) coincide with flu vaccine injections.
{?Vaccination - 100 years of Orthodox Research shows that Vaccines Represent A Medical Assault on the Immune System,? by Viera Scheibner, PhD 1993}

Researchers have identified a lowering of the body?s resistance resulting from vaccinations.
{?Vaccines: Are they really safe and effective?? Neil Miller. 1995}

Dude, next time you copy and paste something, make sure it isn't from a quack site.

Not one of her claims is supported by any valid peer reviewed studies.

She's just a female version of Mercola.

from this psycho's site:

Myth #6 - ?Polio was one of the clearly great vaccination success stories . . .? or was it?

Vaccines caused substantial increases in polio after years of steady declines, and they are the sole cause of polio in the United States today.

OOPS! Pure bullsh!t given the fact that since the introduction of the polio vaccine, incidences of polio have been reduced by 99%

NINETY NINE PERCENT!

You can't get much more full of sh!t than that.

Her main source (Vaccine Policy Institute) is a major haven of quacks who believe that all vaccines are bad. Yeah, that's why Small Pox is eradicated completely and Polio is all but forgotten. :roll:

In fact, if you look critically at her sources not a single one is valid. One is a anti-vaccination quack group. The next is a hollistic med (anti ANY modern medicine) group, and the next is ABC news interviewing a known quack. Finally, we have a few quotes from books by known anti modern med and anti vaccine quacks.

Man, you gotta have a good BS detector when you search the web. I fear yours is broken.

Next time, find a valid source for your irrational fears and bullsh!t.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: KillerAngel
Well, that article sure shut this thread the hell up. Nice work, Citrix.

Nice work my ass. He posted the work of a quack using quacks as references.

Might as well have gone to Mercola's site for all the factual information laugh) this pile of bullsh!t had.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: d3n

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: d3n
If you think the preservatives you get in food are bad check out the crap they use to keep the shelf lives of vaccines manageable. I think the premise is valuable and effective but the delivery is pretty archaic and dangerous, on the level of asbestos and lead paint.

Yes I get one every year. I am ordered to.

Sigh... Again:

Absurd.

Fact: There are no, none nada valid peer reviewed and repeated studies showing that the minuscule, tiny, small amount of mercury in vaccines (most vaccines) causes any harm whatsoever.

I don't care. I have no problem telling Doctors to shove off and to take their high horse with them. It took a long time before asbestos was found to be harmful. Nanotech is being touted as the next big industrial boom. Well the particles that are being manufactured are so small that they and can slip past the bodies cellular defenses with ease. The preservative sodium benzoate has been found to be harmless. Guess what happens when it gets combined with Vitamin C in your kids juice drink. It makes benzene a know carcinogen.

I know there is a lot of quack science and so on,. People like that advise hair-brained solutions that are just as bad sometimes, like powered silver as an antibiotic. Well that crap builds up in your body too. I?d rather have the fungal spore?s thanks.

Simply put my issue with vaccines is that injecting mercury, among the hundreds of other components used in vaccines into my body goes against my good judgment. Vaccines and SIDS? I believe that. I had a coworker explain to me that their infant kid was dead the day after they had gone for a 3 month physical and some boosters. She didn?t link the vaccines but I thought it.

Was it that minute amount of mercury in the first vaccine that did it, or the second one, or third? wait mercury doesn?t leave the body; it builds up in the brain where it interferes with neural transmitters. Maybe it interfered with the ones tied to the kid?s autonomic nervous system when he went to bed that night. How are peer reviews supposed to study that?

I have no doubt that vaccines are very beneficial but we need to get smarter in the delivery and quit laying on our backs to accommodate a culture that thinks its ok to bundle all this other crap in with them like so many other manufacturing processes so they can get to market.

Don?t put blind faith in anything, use your eyes and ears and teach your kids to do the same.

You are the one relying on blind faith. I choose valid peer reviewed and repeated studies. And of the countless peer reviewed and repeated done on vaccines, not ONE shows any of the irrational fears you harbor.

Man, and you have the unmitigated gall to talk to ME about blind faith? :roll:

 

[d3n]

Originally posted by: Amused

You are the one relying on blind faith. I choose valid peer reviewed and repeated studies. And of the countless peer reviewed and repeated done on vaccines, not ONE shows any of the irrational fears you harbor.

Man, and you have the unmitigated gall to talk to ME about blind faith? :roll:

There are varying degrees of ?faith? in processes and procedures and knowing what is what. I can?t be 100% in any of my views because people don?t know everything. I will entertain that mercury and other preservatives are ok to inject into my body in small amounts and you should be prepared to turn on the conclusions of these peers studies and ponder that we are missing interactions we can?t possibly understand at this point. My common sense from my life experience tells me mercury doesn?t belong so I am not ok with it. My common sense tells me that its ok for my kids to get dirty and I think they are less susceptible to sickness and allergies for that too. All in all I don?t view my self as having any irrational fears, but then again whose fears to them are irrational.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: d3n

Originally posted by: Amused

You are the one relying on blind faith. I choose valid peer reviewed and repeated studies. And of the countless peer reviewed and repeated done on vaccines, not ONE shows any of the irrational fears you harbor.

Man, and you have the unmitigated gall to talk to ME about blind faith? :roll:

There are varying degrees of ?faith? in processes and procedures and knowing what is what. I can?t be 100% in any of my views because people don?t know everything. I will entertain that mercury and other preservatives are ok to inject into my body in small amounts and you should be prepared to turn on the conclusions of these peers studies and ponder that we are missing interactions we can?t possibly understand at this point. My common sense from my life experience tells me mercury doesn?t belong so I am not ok with it. My common sense tells me that its ok for my kids to get dirty and I think they are less susceptible to sickness and allergies for that too. All in all I don?t view my self as having any irrational fears, but then again whose fears to them are irrational.

What can I say? If you reject over a half century of valid scientific evidence for irrational fears and quackery there is no point in even trying to reason with you.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Citrix
The medical community seems divided about the appropriateness of flu shots. While some research has shown that these immunizations may be beneficial for the elderly and immuno-compromised individuals, other research suggests that these shots are mostly ineffective. According to Richard Jedelsohn, MD, Associate Chairman of the New York State Immunization Advisory Council, 30% of these vaccines are not effective. In higher-risk groups, which include the people who are most in need of protection, flu and pneumonia vaccines are 50-60% ineffective. Doctors see many patients with the flu who have had their flu shot.
{Let?s Live magazine, by the Editor, Jan. 2000}

The FDA estimates that less than 10% of physicians report vaccine adverse effects, so when we are told that the benefits of a flu vaccination outweigh the risks, no one knows what the true risks are.

Congress and the American taxpayer have been defrauded about the alleged advantages of flu shots. Instead of being an effective prevention, evidence indicates that flu shots may be worthless. The benefit is for those who make money from them.
{?Flu shots? Do they really Work?? Dr. Kristine Severyn, RPh, PhD, founder and Director of Vaccine Policy Institute}

?I have heard from people who did get their flu shots and they still have come down with influenza, really feeling bad, having headaches and fever, and muscle aches,? says Joe Graedon. Dr. Sidney Wolfe of the Health Research Group advised not to use the new flu drugs because they are not effective. There are some reports that pain relievers like aspirin, acetaminophen, and ibuprofen, may increase viral replication.
{?People?s Pharmacy,? Jan. 22, 2000. Public Radio}

The influenza shot prevents the flu in only about 30 to 40% of the elderly population. In fact, getting vaccinated could give these people a false sense of protection, which might lead them to be less cautious. The flu shot does not protect a person from getting a host of other upper-respiratory-tract infections that also commonly circulate during the winter season. Although the CDC claims the flu vaccine is safe, a large body of anecdotal evidence shows a link between the flu shot and Guillain-Barre syndrome (which causes muscle weakness, pain and paralysis). It often takes weeks after any vaccination for disorders to become apparent.
{?Shots in the Dark,? Natural Health magazine, Nov./Dec. 1999}

The Wall Street Journal suggested that there isn't as much flu as there is advertising about the flu. Some doctors think it is less a matter of medicine than of marketing, and consumer groups say it?s all hype. They argue that the new drugs are expensive and they don't even work very well. Dr. Sydney Wolfe says the drug companies are inflaming people?s worries about the flu in order to sell their drugs. Doctors agree that the flu is serious, but some say the drug companys' campaign has reached epidemic proportions.
{?Flu Epidemic May Be Just a Flu Advertisement,? ?Outrage of the Month,? Public Citizen?s Health Letter. Taken from ABC World News Tonight story on Jan.11, 2000, with Peter Jennings and Ned Potter}

In the 1976 ?Swine Flu Fiasco,? medical officers warned that the ?swine flu? would be one of the worst epidemics in medical history, and millions of dollars were appropriated by Congress to develop and administer a vaccine to prepare for this ?killer flu.? Only a total of six cases were reported, but the ?swine flu? vaccine reportedly caused 565 cases of Guillain-Barre paralysis, 30 to 60 deaths and numerous other problems, including blindness and impotency. Although improvements have been made in flu vaccines since 1976, any and all flu vaccines are capable of causing Guillain-Barre.

Leon Chaitow in his book, ?Vaccinations and Immunizations: Dangers, Delusions and Alternatives,? says that there is strong evidence to link vaccines with allergies. For example, those adults receiving flu immunizations have shown a worsening of allergic symptoms. In one survey this occurred in six out of every seven people who were immunized, as well as a worsening of other symptoms. Chaitow also explains the ?Provocation Disease,? in which a vaccination against one disease leaves the body more susceptible to another disease. This occurs when there is a latent or incubating infection already present.
{?Vaccinations - Deception and Tragedy,? Michael Dye. 1999}

An article in ?The Lancet,? on ?Vaccination and the control of influenza,? described the effect of influenza vaccination on staff in the Post Office. After comparing absences due to sicknesses in over 50,000 employees in both the vaccinated and unvaccinated, it was concluded that the flu shots did not result in a significant reduction in flu. The effectiveness levels of flu vaccine can be down as low as 30%. Ever since the flu vaccine was introduced, published reports of ineffectiveness and adverse reactions, including deaths, were filling medical journals. Mass influenza immunization programs, instead of protecting, actually predispose many people to the disease and made them susceptible through the process of desensitization to serious, and indeed, fatal outcomes.

Legionnaires? Disease outbreaks (even in different parts of the U.S.) coincide with flu vaccine injections.
{?Vaccination - 100 years of Orthodox Research shows that Vaccines Represent A Medical Assault on the Immune System,? by Viera Scheibner, PhD 1993}

Researchers have identified a lowering of the body?s resistance resulting from vaccinations.
{?Vaccines: Are they really safe and effective?? Neil Miller. 1995}

Dude, next time you copy and paste something, make sure it isn't from a quack site.

Not one of her claims is supported by any valid peer reviewed studies.

She's just a female version of Mercola.

from this psycho's site:

Myth #6 - ?Polio was one of the clearly great vaccination success stories . . .? or was it?

Vaccines caused substantial increases in polio after years of steady declines, and they are the sole cause of polio in the United States today.

OOPS! Pure bullsh!t given the fact that since the introduction of the polio vaccine, incidences of polio have been reduced by 99%

NINETY NINE PERCENT!

You can't get much more full of sh!t than that.

Her main source (Vaccine Policy Institute) is a major haven of quacks who believe that all vaccines are bad. Yeah, that's why Small Pox is eradicated completely and Polio is all but forgotten. :roll:

In fact, if you look critically at her sources not a single one is valid. One is a anti-vaccination quack group. The next is a hollistic med (anti ANY modern medicine) group, and the next is ABC news interviewing a known quack. Finally, we have a few quotes from books by known anti modern med and anti vaccine quacks.

Man, you gotta have a good BS detector when you search the web. I fear yours is broken.

Next time, find a valid source for your irrational fears and bullsh!t.

And thanks to vaccines, the flu has been eradicated! Errr, wait a minute...

Don't compare flu shots to polio and small pox vaccines. It's more akin to sugar pills.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

And thanks to vaccines, the flu has been eradicated! Errr, wait a minute...

Don't compare flu shots to polio and small pox vaccines. It's more akin to sugar pills.

Because the flu is usually different each year, no single vaccine can eradicate it.

Also, the application of flu vaccines is far less than the use of vaccines for childhood diseases, which most schools and daycare centers require, meaning their use is practically made manditory.

The flu vaccine is far from sugar pills. Unless you want to call the CDC liars.

 

[amdhunter]

EVERY SINGLE TIME I GET A FLU SHOT, I GET SICK. :disgust:

I will take my chances without a flu shot.

 

[JulesMaximus]

:thumbsup: I usually get a flu shot and I haven't had the flu in many years.

Shots don't bother me in the least.

 

[Imported]

Everytime I've ever had a flu shot, I got sick within a month. The last 4 years I didn't get a flu shot and never got sick. Don't intend on getting them again.

 

[Bryophyte]

I get the flu shot because I don't have the time to get really sick. If they had a shot for the common cold, I'd get it in a heartbeat. The common cold is worse than the flu for me. It lasts longer and usually leads to me getting a sinus infection. If I get sick, I have to keep on doing what I do every day. Nobody takes care of me or gives me a day off.

The worst case of the flu that I can remember getting, I got when I was 23 years old, a few days after getting the flu shot. I'm rational enough to understand that I was just unlucky enough to get exposed to the flu before my shot had a chance to work.