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Bussing children to make racial quota. Good idea or bad?

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Texmaster

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On NPR this morning they reported about a district in South Carolina that has successfully repealed the Bussing law in its county giving families the choice of where to send their kids to school.

On one side, some families are glad their kids don't have to get on a buss to go 45 min to another school just to even out a racial devide.

On the other side, some families say they will miss the free transportation for their children.


In my never humble opinion I think Bussing is as wrong today as it was in the 60s. Throwing different social classes of children together and expect some kind of metamorphisis to take place is laughable to say the least.

Bussing is even more wrong today because children are not as a whole growing up in racial households and families should be able to decide if they want to send their child closer to home thats more convientent on the family.

The way to improve inner city schools I think would be to give teachers who teach there tax breaks and incentives to stay at that school.

Inner citiy schools get the newest most inexperienced teachers around and the only way to break the cycle I see is to give incentiives for teachers to continue to teach there and not move on.

 


<< The way to improve inner city schools I think would be to give teachers who teach there tax breaks and incentives to stay at that school. >>

I agree with you there, gotta get the best teachers to stick around.

Not sure I have a fully-formed opinion on bussing. I don't have a problem with it but I can see how it would be inconvenient for some folks and, perhaps, just counter-intuitive.
 


<< Throwing different social classes of children together and expect some kind of metamorphisis to take place is laughable to say the least. >>



Texmaster, we thing so much alike, it's sickening. That's ^^^ pretty much exactly how I'd say it. All that "exposing the children to new and different cultures and ways of thinking" crap is just that; CRAP.

Didn't work then, sure as hell won't work now. We already have drugs, guns and prostitution in schools; why throw gasoline on an already raging inferno?
 
I remember when they redid the school districts when I was in high school to meet the quota so to say. The people that lived across the street from me had to go to a completely different high school. My school was 5 minutes away while they had to travel 30 minutes to theirs.
 


<< Any idea as to where in South Carolina this happened? >>



Sorry. I heard it when I was in the call. Best I can remember was that it was Mc something.
 


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<< Any idea as to where in South Carolina this happened? >>



Sorry. I heard it when I was in the call. Best I can remember was that it was Mc something. >>


The only place I can think of then is McClellenville.
 


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<< Throwing different social classes of children together and expect some kind of metamorphisis to take place is laughable to say the least. >>



Texmaster, we thing so much alike, it's sickening. That's ^^^ pretty much exactly how I'd say it. >>



LOL I think the same way about your posts. Brilliance is simply a trait we share 😀



<< All that "exposing the children to new and different cultures and ways of thinking" crap is just that; CRAP.

Didn't work then, sure as hell won't work now. We already have drugs, guns and prostitution in schools; why throw gasoline on an already raging inferno? >>



Exactly
 


<< I remember when they redid the school districts when I was in high school to meet the quota so to say. The people that lived across the street from me had to go to a completely different high school. My school was 5 minutes away while they had to travel 30 minutes to theirs. >>



Thats sad they had to go through that crap.
 


<< All that "exposing the children to new and different cultures and ways of thinking" crap is just that; CRAP. >>



On the contrary, I think bussing has worked fairly well to achieve its intended goal. From my experience, a lot of northerners that I have met are more racist than southerners, primarily because southerners often have more exposure to blacks due to the bussing that started in the sixties. If the intention of bussing was to increase tolerance by exposing racists to the people that they purport to hate, I think that bussing worked quite well.
 


<< On NPR this morning they reported about a district in South Carolina that has successfully repealed the Bussing law in its county giving families the choice of where to send their kids to school.

On one side, some families are glad their kids don't have to get on a buss to go 45 min to another school just to even out a racial devide. >>



I didn't know they do that :Q
I think kids should go to school geographically assigned to their residence. What's the point to even out racial divide? This is like mixing two incompatible liquids forcefully by using emulsifier.






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On the other side, some families say they will miss the free transportation for their children.


In my never humble opinion I think Bussing is as wrong today as it was in the 60s. Throwing different social classes of children together and expect some kind of metamorphisis to take place is laughable to say the least.

Bussing is even more wrong today because children are not as a whole growing up in racial households and families should be able to decide if they want to send their child closer to home thats more convientent on the family.

The way to improve inner city schools I think would be to give teachers who teach there tax breaks and incentives to stay at that school.

Inner citiy schools get the newest most inexperienced teachers around and the only way to break the cycle I see is to give incentiives for teachers to continue to teach there and not move on. >>

 
Omaha, Nebraska repealed their bussing law a couple of years ago. Many people were angry because they paid high tax rates in the suburbs (Papillion, Millard) but their children (only the white children) were being bussed to the inner city. Most people were happy to have the law repealed.
 
I think the bussing laws at the time they were made had a purpose, back then the schools were not equal and bussing allowed children to attend the schools built for white students, which gave them a better education. currently I think bussing is outdated and past its usefulness. let them go to school near where they live, however, I think they should let the current students continue in the school they currently go to w/free transportation if they want to. Otherwise they have to change schools and that can be hard on some students.
 
I think bussing kids to different schools is totally flawed. This country is still racially divided after the idea first came out in the 60's. What we need to focus on is not bussing kids around, it's integrating neighborhoods so people can be more diversified. Many states still have specific areas devoted to certain races which refuse to open up to other groups. This is what needs to change. Not bussing kids around. That's just a temporary band-aid to a much larger problem which no one wants to touch with a 10 foot pole.
 


<< Omaha, Nebraska repealed their bussing law a couple of years ago. Many people were angry because they paid high tax rates in the suburbs (Papillion, Millard) but their children (only the white children) were being bussed to the inner city. Most people were happy to have the law repealed. >>



Glad to hear that. Look whose being racist? If being any one race meant order to go to different school on basis fo that, I consider it racist action.

I'd be fukkin pissed if I lived where I do and got bussed to ghetto school filled with hoodlums, gangs, criminals tax loaders and kids that basically come to school without any motivation.
 


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<< All that "exposing the children to new and different cultures and ways of thinking" crap is just that; CRAP. >>



On the contrary, I think bussing has worked fairly well to achieve its intended goal. From my experience, a lot of northerners that I have met are more racist than southerners, primarily because southerners often have more exposure to blacks due to the bussing that started in the sixties. If the intention of bussing was to increase tolerance by exposing racists to the people that they purport to hate, I think that bussing worked quite well. >>



And I would to disagree with you. I think Bussing enhanced racial intolerance rather than improved it. I also think it caused a good deal of teachers to leave the profession because of threats.

For example, my mother was a teacher at a public school. She drove the kids hard and expected them to achieve. When Bussing came the new kids were held to the same standard and many took offense at working that hard. A few threatened her physically and she eventually left the profession.

I don't think I could ever see it as a good thing.
 
I think people should have to goto the school in their local district or be accepted into a magnet program. Bussing may or may not have accelerated racial acceptance and integration, someone will have to show some stats to prove it either way.

All I know, is that I attended elementary school in an inner city Chicago neighborhood, bordered by Chinatown, Bridgeport (an Italian community), a hispanic one and not too far from black neighborhoods. I grew up with all sorts of friends, and as a class growing up were were very tight-knit, though admittedly that might be sorta rare these days...

Upon graduating from elementary school I attended a magnet high school. The high school in my district was predominately Italian. Most Chinese kids are routinely chased around by Italian gangbangers and it was a real accomplishment to be able to avoid that school...

The point is, I'm not sure how effective it is to integrate people of varying ethnic and economic classes, but I do know that the alternative can lead to perpetuating racism...

As far as poor inner city schools are concerned, I agree - the first step may be to establish accountability. Parents need to be more accountable and better teachers need to be brought in. Unfortunately, thats not gonna happen till we make the situation a little more palatable... *sigh*
 


<< I think people should have to goto the school in their local district or be accepted into a magnet program. Bussing may or may not have accelerated racial acceptance and integration, someone will have to show some stats to prove it either way.

All I know, is that I attended elementary school in an inner city Chicago neighborhood, bordered by Chinatown, Bridgeport (an Italian community), a hispanic one and not too far from black neighborhoods. I grew up with all sorts of friends, and as a class growing up were were very tight-knit, though admittedly that might be sorta rare these days...

Upon graduating from elementary school I attended a magnet high school. The high school in my district was predominately Italian. Most Chinese kids are routinely chased around by Italian gangbangers and it was a real accomplishment to be able to avoid that school...

The point is, I'm not sure how effective it is to integrate people of varying ethnic and economic classes, but I do know that the alternative can lead to perpetuating racism...

As far as poor inner city schools are concerned, I agree - the first step may be to establish accountability. Parents need to be more accountable and better teachers need to be brought in. Unfortunately, thats not gonna happen till we make the situation a little more palatable... *sigh* >>



Since you have seen both, what was more profoud when you were in school? Racism or class descrimination? Or even both?
 


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<< All that "exposing the children to new and different cultures and ways of thinking" crap is just that; CRAP. >>



On the contrary, I think bussing has worked fairly well to achieve its intended goal. From my experience, a lot of northerners that I have met are more racist than southerners, primarily because southerners often have more exposure to blacks due to the bussing that started in the sixties. If the intention of bussing was to increase tolerance by exposing racists to the people that they purport to hate, I think that bussing worked quite well. >>



And I would to disagree with you. I think Bussing enhanced racial intolerance rather than improved it. I also think it caused a good deal of teachers to leave the profession because of threats.

For example, my mother was a teacher at a public school. She drove the kids hard and expected them to achieve. When Bussing came the new kids were held to the same standard and many took offense at working that hard. A few threatened her physically and she eventually left the profession.

I don't think I could ever see it as a good thing. >>



I think that is a factor of the students and their upbringing, not the bussing. Kids can be instilled with defective values regardless of race or bussing.
 


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<< Upon graduating from elementary school I attended a magnet high school. The high school in my district was predominately Italian. Most Chinese kids are routinely chased around by Italian gangbangers and it was a real accomplishment to be able to avoid that school... >>



Since you have seen both, what was more profoud when you were in school? Racism or class descrimination? Or even both? >>


Apologize if I was a little confusing there... I meant I attended a magnet high school further from home, so I wouldn't have to attend the Italian one...
Tex, I was always one of those tight-spinctered kids running around trying to mind my own business, with my own group of friends. I never looked up to see the world around me or understand exactly what was going on in the neighborhood unless it affected me. I would say that I never saw racism against myself or any member of my multi-cultural elementary school classes... My high school was 65% black, but mainly to fulfill the neighborhood quota.
I personally believe accountability is the key. I swear, when I have kids in a few years and they don't act right growing up, I will blame no one but myself. I everyone should have that philosophy instead of expecting everyone else to raise their kids... If it doesn't start there anything you do is pointless...
 
well, from 1st to 8th grade, i was bussed for an hour, from north seattle to south seattle... south seattle is about as ghetto as seattle gets. i don't think this was for any racial quota per se... they just decided that gifted programs belonged in the crappiest schools, for whatever reason. anyways, i don't think it was *that* bad. i think my education would have been slightly better elsewhere, but i also think i gained some sort of cultural knowledge from being put in an entirely different environment. this isn't to say i have a tremendous amount of black friends, or i like to celebrate kwanzaa or something, but i consider my experience to have been largely beneficial.
 
I live in South Carolina and go to school in Kershaw County, yet I had never heard this tidbit of news until I saw it posted here. I've never heard of McClellenville, either. I think McCormic is a county in SC, perhaps it is there?
 
Charlotte,NC (Mecklenburg County Schools) have gone to school choice.

Parents had a deadline to send in forms with their selections on where their children go to school. Some schools will now be overcrowded and some will be below capacity because of this. This was due to a lawsuit years ago against bussing. If they didn't send in a form, the schoolboard decided where they went. 20% of parents never turned in the form.

I hope that bussing is out. I think the schools will benefit if they become neighborhood schools again instead of having students from all different parts of the city. I know when I was bussed in sixth grade my parents had no interest in participating in the school as it was on the other side of town in a less than safe area.

In addition the city's expenses should go down if they don't have to run buses all over town.
 


<< Charlotte,NC (Mecklenburg County Schools) have gone to school choice. >>



THATS IT! Thats the one they were talking about.



<< Parents had a deadline to send in forms with their selections on where their children go to school. Some schools will now be overcrowded and some will be below capacity because of this. This was due to a lawsuit years ago against bussing. If they didn't send in a form, the schoolboard decided where they went. 20% of parents never turned in the form.

I hope that bussing is out. I think the schools will benefit if they become neighborhood schools again instead of having students from all different parts of the city. I know when I was bussed in sixth grade my parents had no interest in participating in the school as it was on the other side of town in a less than safe area.

In addition the city's expenses should go down if they don't have to run buses all over town. >>



Thanks for the info.
 
On the contrary, I think bussing has worked fairly well to achieve its intended goal. From my experience, a lot of northerners that I have met are more racist than southerners, primarily because southerners often have more exposure to blacks due to the bussing that started in the sixties. If the intention of bussing was to increase tolerance by exposing racists to the people that they purport to hate, I think that bussing worked quite well.

Not so much bussing as being acclimated to people of different backgrounds. I spent nine months in Rochester, MN and saw about 9 black people the whole time I was there. I saw one family in a grocery store and then some people at a dance club. I worked with a black guy from England that complained about how he was treated by the locals. I often thought to myself about most people up there "These people are racist and don't even know it."


 
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