Bush's White House was "the most ethical administration in history"

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? Donald Rumsfeld had to be talked out of editing his own entry on Wikipedia, which he referred to as "Wika-wakka." He was a Drudge Report reader and used to watch YouTube clips that made fun of his press conference performances.

? Bush, when told that Idaho Sen. Larry Craig had been the latest GOPer to be caught in a sex scandal involving boys or men: "What is up with all these Republicans?"

? Several years after Colin Powell left as Secretary of State, he was to appear with administration officials at an event. "In the next draft can you change 'Secretary Powell' to 'General Powell'? He prefers to go by 'General' instead of 'Secretary'," read a note from his people to Latimer, who thought it looked like the general was trying to distance himself from the White House. "I'm happy to report that the president didn't accommodate him. 'Secretary Powell' stayed in," Latimer writes.

? While Karl Rove was appearing on Fox News and writing op-eds as an independent political analyst, he was privately smearing Democrats. "Karl spread rumors through the White House that one of Obama's potential vice presidential running mates -- and a United States senator -- had beaten his first wife. 'Karl says it's true,' the president assured a small group of staffers. Then knowing Karl, he quickly added, 'Karl hopes it's true,'" reports Latimer.

? For a commencement address at Furman University in spring 2008, Ed Gillespie wanted to insert a few lines condemning gay marriage. Bush called the speech too "condemnatory" and said, "I'm not going to tell some gay kid in the audience that he can't get married." (Of course, Bush ran his 2004 campaign telling that kid just that.)

? Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice "adamantly opposed" any reference to jailed Egyptian dissident Ayman Nour when Bush traveled to Egypt to promote freedom. She won.

? Bush, it turns out, is like millions of Americans: "I haven't watched the nightly news one night since I've been president," he said.

? Laura Bush, says Latimer, "was secretly a Democrat for all intents and purposes, though it really wasn't much of a secret."

? Maine Republican Sen. Susan Collins is fond of sending angry, middle-of-the-night e-mails to staffers because she's frustrated that her colleague and rival Olympia Snowe gets more and better press. As a result, reports Latimer, she rips through press secretaries like 30-packs at a beer-pong tournament. (A Collins press secretary didn't respond to a request for comment.)

? Interviewing for the job, Latimer was told by Chief of Staff Josh Bolten that Bush's White House was "the most ethical administration in history." He added: "Looks like even Scooter Libby might get off."

? Latimer was asked to help with a speech for Under Secretary of Defense Douglas Feith, who General Tommy Franks famously called "the fucking stupidest guy on the face of the earth." Feith had rejected a draft from another writer. "His own writer had failed miserably at drafting some upcoming testimony to Congress. Feith was so incensed by the speech's first line that he read it aloud to me. 'Mr. Chairman, thank you for inviting me to testify today.' 'Thank you?' Feith snapped, as if he couldn't believe it. 'For inviting me'?'"

? Bush on Jimmy Carter: "If I'm ever eighty-two years old and acting like that have someone put me away."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...ot-going_n_292876.html

hopefully not a repost, I thought that some of these were pretty funny... though I found that gay marriage bit to be especially galling.
 

Infohawk

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Glad those days are behind us. I'm much happier that we're all debating whether we should have health care rather than whether we should be invading a sovereign country that hasn't attacked us.
 

Ackmed

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Glad those days are behind us. I'm much happier that we're all debating whether we should have health care rather than whether we should be invading a sovereign country that hasn't attacked us.

Germany didnt attack us either. Good point!

Oh wait, you're on the sidelines trying to be the QB..
 

JSt0rm

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Originally posted by: Ackmed
Germany didnt attack us either. Good point!

Oh wait, you're on the sidelines trying to be the QB..

history fail.. What were all the u-boats doing killing our merchant marines?
 

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Thank God we have a closet Muslim, Commie-fascist (t changes daily), Savior, Anti-Christ in office now.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: Ackmed
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Glad those days are behind us. I'm much happier that we're all debating whether we should have health care rather than whether we should be invading a sovereign country that hasn't attacked us.

Germany didnt attack us either. Good point!

Oh wait, you're on the sidelines trying to be the QB..

Germany declared war on the USA. That is a pretty legitimate reason for the US to go to war. Nice try though.
 

0marTheZealot

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Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Germany didnt attack us either. Good point!

Oh wait, you're on the sidelines trying to be the QB..

history fail.. What were all the u-boats doing killing our merchant marines?

Your history is fail. That was WWI. Germany took special care not to attack the USA. One of Hitler's biggest mistakes was to honor the Tripartite Agreement with Japan instead of ignoring it, like he did with the non-aggression pact with Stalin. If he never declared war on the US, we could not have entered the European theater. Congress would never approve of the decision. FDR caught major flak for pursuing a Germany-First strategy instead of a Japan-First strategy.
 

lupi

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Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Germany didnt attack us either. Good point!

Oh wait, you're on the sidelines trying to be the QB..

history fail.. What were all the u-boats doing killing our merchant marines?

Your history is fail. That was WWI. Germany took special care not to attack the USA. One of Hitler's biggest mistakes was to honor the Tripartite Agreement with Japan instead of ignoring it, like he did with the non-aggression pact with Stalin. If he never declared war on the US, we could not have entered the European theater. Congress would never approve of the decision. FDR caught major flak for pursuing a Germany-First strategy instead of a Japan-First strategy.

pretty much spot on, although the pacific theater had a certian lag time while waiting for the USN to be built up, something eased by the midway miracle. But even if germany hadn't DOWed, given the sentiment in early december there's a good chance he could have gotten congress to do so or pass legislation that put the Us as an active "neutral" forcing germany to declare.
 

Ackmed

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Glad those days are behind us. I'm much happier that we're all debating whether we should have health care rather than whether we should be invading a sovereign country that hasn't attacked us.

Germany didnt attack us either. Good point!

Oh wait, you're on the sidelines trying to be the QB..

Germany declared war on the USA. That is a pretty legitimate reason for the US to go to war. Nice try though.

Sorry, you lost this one. The fact is, Germany didnt attack us.

You're a tool if you think the Iraqi people didnt need help, and that they are much happier now. But then again, you havent been there. Walked the streets, talked to people. Just sitting back in your recliner trying to act like you know all the right moves to make.

/done with you
 

CallMeJoe

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Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Your history is fail. That was WWI. Germany took special care not to attack the USA. One of Hitler's biggest mistakes was to honor the Tripartite Agreement with Japan instead of ignoring it, like he did with the non-aggression pact with Stalin. If he never declared war on the US, we could not have entered the European theater. Congress would never approve of the decision. FDR caught major flak for pursuing a Germany-First strategy instead of a Japan-First strategy.
Google USS Kearney and USS Reuben James, then revise your post.
 

CallMeJoe

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Originally posted by: Ackmed
Sorry, you lost this one. The fact is, Germany didnt attack us.
You're a tool if you think the Iraqi people didnt need help, and that they are much happier now. But then again, you havent been there. Walked the streets, talked to people. Just sitting back in your recliner trying to act like you know all the right moves to make.
/done with you
See my reply to OmarTheZealot above. The pretense to knowledge of history on this forum is appalling.
 

0marTheZealot

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Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Your history is fail. That was WWI. Germany took special care not to attack the USA. One of Hitler's biggest mistakes was to honor the Tripartite Agreement with Japan instead of ignoring it, like he did with the non-aggression pact with Stalin. If he never declared war on the US, we could not have entered the European theater. Congress would never approve of the decision. FDR caught major flak for pursuing a Germany-First strategy instead of a Japan-First strategy.
Google USS Kearney and USS Reuben James, then revise your post.

I know about those attacks. The thing is, those warships were not neutral at all, they were basically baiting Germany into attacking them.
 

JSt0rm

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Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Germany didnt attack us either. Good point!

Oh wait, you're on the sidelines trying to be the QB..

history fail.. What were all the u-boats doing killing our merchant marines?

Your history is fail. That was WWI. Germany took special care not to attack the USA. One of Hitler's biggest mistakes was to honor the Tripartite Agreement with Japan instead of ignoring it, like he did with the non-aggression pact with Stalin. If he never declared war on the US, we could not have entered the European theater. Congress would never approve of the decision. FDR caught major flak for pursuing a Germany-First strategy instead of a Japan-First strategy.

http://www.usmm.org/casualty.html
 

JSt0rm

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U.S. Owned or Chartered Ships Attacked Before Pearl Harbor
At least 243 mariners were killed in action before Pearl Harbor.
Date Ship Type Cause Result Location Deaths
10/09/39 SS City of Flint Hog Island freighter Capture by pocket battleship Deutchland Released NAtlantic None
06/12/40 Exochorda Freighter Shelled Slight damage Med-Black Sea None
11/09/40 City of Rayville Freighter German mine Sunk Australian coast Crew 1
12/21/40 Charles Pratt Tanker (Panama) Torpedo Sunk SAtlantic Crew 2
05/21/41 Robin Moor Hog Islander Torpedo & Shelled Sunk Caribbean None
08/11/41 Iberville Freighter Aerial mine from German aircraft Damaged Red Sea None
08/17/41 Longtaker [former Danish Sessa] Freighter (Panama) Torpedo & Shelled Sunk NAtlantic Crew 24 (3 survivors)
09/05/41 Steel Seafarer Freighter Bombed by German aircraft Sunk Gulf of Suez None
09/11/41 Arkansan Freighter Shelled Damaged Indian-Red Sea None
09/11/41 Montana [former Danish Paula] Freighter (Panama) Torpedo Sunk North Atlantic Crew 26
09/19/41 Pink Star [former Danish Landby] Freighter (Panama) Torpedo Sunk North Atlantic Crew 13
09/27/41 I. C. White Tanker (Panama) Torpedo Sunk South Atlantic Crew 3
10/16/41 Bold Venture [former Danish Alssund] Freighter (Panama) Torpedo Sunk North Atlantic Crew 17, (17 survivors)
10/19/41 Lehigh Freighter Torpedo Sunk ApproachMed None
11/05/41 Montrose Freighter Collision Unknown North Atlantic Unknown
11/11/41 Meridian [former Italian Dino] Freighter (Panama) Torpedo Sunk North Atlantic Crew approx. 38
11/14/41 Crusader [former Danish Brosund] Freighter Torpedo Sunk North Atlantic Crew approx 33; German POW 1
11/16/41 Turecamo Boys Tug Unknown Sunk North Atlantic Crew 9
11/19/41 Del Pidio Unknown (Philippines) Mine Unknown Philippines Crew 6
11/19/41 Edridio Mindoro (67 ton) Mine Sunk Philippines Unknown
12/02/41 Astral Tanker Torpedo Sunk NAtlantic Crew 37
12/03/41 Sagadahoc Freighter Torpedo Sunk ApproachMed Crew 1
12/07/41 Cynthia Olson Steam Schooner Torpedo Sunk Pacific Crew 33; US Army 2
 

CallMeJoe

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Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Your history is fail. That was WWI. Germany took special care not to attack the USA. One of Hitler's biggest mistakes was to honor the Tripartite Agreement with Japan instead of ignoring it, like he did with the non-aggression pact with Stalin. If he never declared war on the US, we could not have entered the European theater. Congress would never approve of the decision. FDR caught major flak for pursuing a Germany-First strategy instead of a Japan-First strategy.
Google USS Kearney and USS Reuben James, then revise your post.
I know about those attacks. The thing is, those warships were not neutral at all, they were basically baiting Germany into attacking them.
You knew about the Kearney and the Reuben James, and still posted:
Germany took special care not to attack the USA.
Perhaps you meant to say:
Germany took special care not to attack the USA, except for those American forces they thought were not acting sufficiently neutral
 

Lemon law

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Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Topic Title: Bush's White House was "the most ethical administration in history"


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Do not be absurd heyheybooboo, only one snicker for a totally bogus assertion?

Be it resolved, the GWB administration was the most morally bankrupt group of thugs
and liars in US history.

And maybe even worse, the biggest bunch of incompetents that t9ook lemonade and turned it into total shit.
 

CallMeJoe

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Topic Title: Bush's White House was "the most ethical administration in history"
<snicker>
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Do not be absurd heyheybooboo, only one snicker for a totally bogus assertion?
Be it resolved, the GWB administration was the most morally bankrupt group of thugs
and liars in US history.
May I mention the Harding and Grant administrations?


edit: I don't like Lemon law's quoting style.
 

0marTheZealot

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Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
Looks like omar is history failx2

If it was such a big deal, why didn't Congress give a declaration of war right then and there? Why wait until Pearl Habor and why did FDR lose so much political capital pursuing a Germany-first strategy? The answer is, overwhelmingly, because we were not acting neutral in those waters. You can't charge into a man's home, eat his food, shit in his toliet and then blame him for socking you in the face.
 

JSt0rm

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Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
If it was such a big deal, why didn't Congress give a declaration of war right then and there? Why wait until Pearl Habor and why did FDR lose so much political capital pursuing a Germany-first strategy? The answer is, overwhelmingly, because we were not acting neutral in those waters. You can't charge into a man's home, eat his food, shit in his toliet and then blame him for socking you in the face.

Just be proud that you learned something new today. I try to learn every day. Part of learning is making mistakes and thats ok :)
 

CallMeJoe

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Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
Looks like omar is history failx2
If it was such a big deal, why didn't Congress give a declaration of war right then and there? Why wait until Pearl Habor and why did FDR lose so much political capital pursuing a Germany-first strategy? The answer is, overwhelmingly, because we were not acting neutral in those waters. You can't charge into a man's home, eat his food, shit in his toliet and then blame him for socking you in the face.
Admirably swift change of direction, Omar. Caught in factual error? Downplay the significance of the events you were wrong about...