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Thump553

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I was very disappointed in the speech, and in Bush's conduct overall in the handling of Katrina. It is readily obvious that he is pandling for popularity and is perfectly willing to bust the budget to do so-typical political damage control at OUR expense.

Bush has already suspended the fair wage rules for the entire region. I'm waiting for the multi-billion dollar no-bid contracts to start going to Haliburton. Bush still doesn't get it.

BTW, neat touch-bringing in emergency generators to light up the church for his speech backdrop-let no photo-op go unpassed.
 

JEDI

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
I think that it was, overall, a good speech. I think that he gave a realistic overview at the beginning and set out some lofty, but very obtainable objectives. Hopefully, all of the government agencies (local, state, federal) are able to follow through.

Overall B- now that he stated that they Federal Government should be in total control!

omg that spend-aholic is going to bankrupt this USA just in the name of making him look better and improve his poll #'s.

He better make some cuts elsewhere.
 

bjc112

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Originally posted by: Muse
Originally posted by: EatSpam
As I said in OT:

I didn't have to watch. It went something like this:

Terra...terra....9/11... Katrina ... firefighter... 9/11 ... free-dumb ... Iraq... Iraq ... Saddam ... hate free-dumb ... New Orleans .... 9/11 ... 9/11 ... 9/11... tax cuts... private accounts. ... gawd bless 'merica

Yeah, and good 'ole boy Brown did a heck of a job... Hey, he's a lawyer like me. Experience? He don't need no stinkin' experience..., I don't need no stinkin' experience...

I didn't hear you complain last year when 4 major hurricanes hit the US.. He did well then, but I guess that doesnt count as experience.
 

CaptnKirk

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Originally posted by: bjc112
Originally posted by: Muse
Originally posted by: EatSpam
As I said in OT:

I didn't have to watch. It went something like this:

Terra...terra....9/11... Katrina ... firefighter... 9/11 ... free-dumb ... Iraq... Iraq ... Saddam ... hate free-dumb ... New Orleans .... 9/11 ... 9/11 ... 9/11... tax cuts... private accounts. ... gawd bless 'merica

Yeah, and good 'ole boy Brown did a heck of a job... Hey, he's a lawyer like me. Experience? He don't need no stinkin' experience..., I don't need no stinkin' experience...

I didn't hear you complain last year when 4 major hurricanes hit the US.. He did well then, but I guess that doesnt count as experience.


He didn't do well - the machine that was in place in Florida, with political support for a 'special' govenor is what did well.
 

BBond

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This describes Bushies here at P&N to a "T".

How far down the road toward absolute tyranny has George W. Bush moved? However far he has moved (and he has moved some distance), he hasn't done it alone. He has been supported at every turn by a massive, albeit minority, set of political movements - neoconservatives, social Darwinists, and religious fanatics. It's the same alchemy that held Mexico in thrall for centuries - the military, the oligarchs, the church - that in many ways still holds it in thrall.

Keeping it together takes discipline and ruthlessless. We're seeing both on display in regards to New Orleans. Bills are being shoved through Congress without debate. The media is now being prevented from covering the disaster by force of arms. Yet the President's supporters continue to not only buy his spin, but add their own.

It is this discipline among the conservative masses that scares me. George W. Bush, I've come to learn, is a dumbass, a spoiled rich brat with no more cojones than Marie Antoinette. He's a dry drunk living in a bubble of privilege, a figurehead.

The real evil in this country is that of his followers. Those who refuse to question the results of his actions, those who attack the people who do question, rather than addressing the criticism. The oligarchs want to lay off the burdens of government on the poor, the neocons want to rule the world with military technology, the religious fanatics demand that their particular brand of Christianity be the State Religion. All these conspirators, and their followers, choose to keep their mouths shut when they're discomfited, knowing that unless they maintain, the results will be like Nuremberg, and all of them will be destroyed.

You Bushies should really be ashamed of yourselves. There is no excusing the disgrace we all witnessed for five long days after Hurrican Katrina as the federal government did absolutely nothing to aid the victims of a disaster that spanned four states.

Bush's speech was more of the same schtick we've been seeing all along. Locate a nice backdrop, Bush wraps himself in the flag a few times, he pimps out September 11 for what almost EVERYONE on Earth hopes is the last time, he apologies again as his Republican Party with control of Congress blocks investigations into one of the worst failures of U.S. government in our history, no mention of Chertoff's outright failure or any consequences for it, and Bush's blind legions just keep following him over the edge.

Bush's speech changed nothing. They keep putting him in front of the cameras to try and resurrect his poll numbers. It's all just the same Bush lip service as usual.

 

arsbanned

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THe whole "evil" thing just makes Bush's detractors look foolish and shrill though. "Evil" is just plain overdramatization. Rather stupid and misguided? Ignorant? They apply.
 

digiram

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Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
ABC is doing a post-speech interview of 10 or so NOLA blacks in Houston who watched the speech. The interviewer is trying his hardest to get them to condemn Bush and Bush only, but they have nothing but praise for him and his speech. They're blaming the mayor and governor and have no blame for Bush at all.

This is hilarious! The Liberal press trying to get people to condemn Bush and they shove it back in their face!


And they are black too! Great feeling to see them stop being led around by the liberal press.

Hand picked black folks, I bet, that the so-called libural media interviewed. Have them come ask a some random folks that live in the inner city, if you want a real opinion. As a matter of fact, why don't some of you come into the neighborhood that I grew up in to get the real opinions of the minorities in regards to Mr. Dubya. Liberal/Independent media my frigging @ss. That's why the liberal media fired Bill Maher right after 9-11, Right????? Wake the frigg up, and think objectively about what's really going on for once.

 

BBond

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Originally posted by: digiram
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
ABC is doing a post-speech interview of 10 or so NOLA blacks in Houston who watched the speech. The interviewer is trying his hardest to get them to condemn Bush and Bush only, but they have nothing but praise for him and his speech. They're blaming the mayor and governor and have no blame for Bush at all.

This is hilarious! The Liberal press trying to get people to condemn Bush and they shove it back in their face!


And they are black too! Great feeling to see them stop being led around by the liberal press.

Hand picked black folks, I bet, that the so-called libural media interviewed. Have them come ask a some random folks that live in the inner city, if you want a real opinion. As a matter of fact, why don't some of you come into the neighborhood that I grew up in to get the real opinions of the minorities in regards to Mr. Dubya. Liberal/Independent media my frigging @ss. That's why the liberal media fired Bill Maher right after 9-11, Right????? Wake the frigg up, and think objectively about what's really going on for once.

I don't know what neighborhood you grew up in, but Bush is not popular at all with the black community that I know. Suggesting otherwise is simply foolish.

 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Yeh, vic, there's a "real" reason they voted the way they did- it's called "god, guns, gays and terrar", not to mention the attack of the swiftliars...

Your team took the greatest political windfall since pearl harbor and turned it into the narrowest re-election win of the last 100 years, even as they transformed projected budget surpluses into the most massive deficits ever. They've transformed sympathy over 9/11 into worldwide revulsion and loathing over Iraq, and Dub's newest efforts, "federal control" have disowned their no longer convenient "States' Rights" and "local control" doublespeak routine.

But some folks don't even seem to notice. Apparently, there are some advantages to being mesmerized. When the subject is told to feel no pain, they don't, no matter what...
The Republicans are not "my team." I'm just venting my anger at the idiot Democrats for blowing what should have been an easy election for them last year, and so leaving us in the hands of this hired gun Bush.

And it's not that "some folks don't even seem to notice," it's not that "there are some advantages to being mesmerized," and it's not "god, guns, gays and terrar." This is why the Dems lose. You insult people without ever addressing their real issues, and then insult them even more when they don't go your way. You insult them for not giving enough when they barely squeak by financially, you threaten to raise their taxes when they're one paycheck from financial disaster, you insult their culture (particularly when you say that white America has no culture, which is an outright lie), you ignorantly insult their religion with little understanding and speak of having it banned, you threaten to take their cars away, you pass excessive regulations that make it so their businesses fail, you tell them all white people are born to privilege while they live their lives in a rundown single-wide in a trailer park in the middle of nowhere, and so on.
Oh yeah... those poor white folks may not like choosing Bush, but they hate and fear the Dems worse. And with good reason. Maybe when you urban elite college boys get a clue, the Dems might actually win. I can only hope that someday the party of Jefferson finds it way back to the true path of freedom and democracy.
 

BBond

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Krugman, as usual, hits the nail right on the head.

It's Not the New Deal

By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: September 16, 2005

Now it begins: America's biggest relief and recovery program since the New Deal. And the omens aren't good.

It's a given that the Bush administration, which tried to turn Iraq into a laboratory for conservative economic policies, will try the same thing on the Gulf Coast. The Heritage Foundation, which has surely been helping Karl Rove develop the administration's recovery plan, has already published a manifesto on post-Katrina policy. It calls for waivers on environmental rules, the elimination of capital gains taxes and the private ownership of public school buildings in the disaster areas. And if any of the people killed by Katrina, most of them poor, had a net worth of more than $1.5 million, Heritage wants to exempt their heirs from the estate tax.

Still, even conservatives admit that deregulation, tax cuts and privatization won't be enough. Recovery will require a lot of federal spending. And aside from the effect on the deficit - we're about to see the spectacle of tax cuts in the face of both a war and a huge reconstruction effort - this raises another question: how can discretionary government spending take place on that scale without creating equally large-scale corruption?

It's possible to spend large sums honestly, as Franklin D. Roosevelt demonstrated in the 1930's. F.D.R. presided over a huge expansion of federal spending, including a lot of discretionary spending by the Works Progress Administration. Yet the image of public relief, widely regarded as corrupt before the New Deal, actually improved markedly.

How did that happen? The answer is that the New Deal made almost a fetish out of policing its own programs against potential corruption. In particular, F.D.R. created a powerful "division of progress investigation" to look into complaints of malfeasance in the W.P.A. That division proved so effective that a later Congressional investigation couldn't find a single serious irregularity it had missed.

This commitment to honest government wasn't a sign of Roosevelt's personal virtue; it reflected a political imperative. F.D.R.'s mission in office was to show that government activism works. To maintain that mission's credibility, he needed to keep his administration's record clean.

But George W. Bush isn't F.D.R. Indeed, in crucial respects he's the anti-F.D.R.

President Bush subscribes to a political philosophy that opposes government activism - that's why he has tried to downsize and privatize programs wherever he can. (He still hopes to privatize Social Security, F.D.R.'s biggest legacy.) So even his policy failures don't bother his strongest supporters: many conservatives view the inept response to Katrina as a vindication of their lack of faith in government, rather than as a reason to reconsider their faith in Mr. Bush.

And to date the Bush administration, which has no stake in showing that good government is possible, has been averse to investigating itself. On the contrary, it has consistently stonewalled corruption investigations and punished its own investigators if they try to do their jobs.

That's why Mr. Bush's promise last night that he will have "a team of inspectors general reviewing all expenditures" rings hollow. Whoever these inspectors general are, they'll be mindful of the fate of Bunnatine Greenhouse, a highly regarded auditor at the Army Corps of Engineers who suddenly got poor performance reviews after she raised questions about Halliburton's contracts in Iraq. She was demoted late last month.

Turning the funds over to state and local governments isn't the answer, either. F.D.R. actually made a point of taking control away from local politicians; then as now, patronage played a big role in local politics.

And our sympathy for the people of Mississippi and Louisiana shouldn't blind us to the realities of their states' political cultures. Last year the newsletter Corporate Crime Reporter ranked the states according to the number of federal public-corruption convictions per capita. Mississippi came in first, and Louisiana came in third.

Is there any way Mr. Bush could ensure an honest recovery program? Yes - he could insulate decisions about reconstruction spending from politics by placing them in the hands of an autonomous agency headed by a political independent, or, if no such person can be found, a Democrat (as a sign of good faith).

He didn't do that last night, and probably won't. There's every reason to believe the reconstruction of the Gulf Coast, like the failed reconstruction of Iraq, will be deeply marred by cronyism and corruption.



 

conjur

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Friday morning (power) line
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8045532
I am duty-bound to report the talk of the New Orleans warehouse district last night: there was rejoicing (well, there would have been without the curfew, but the few people I saw on the streets were excited) when the power came back on for blocks on end. Kevin Tibbles was positively jubilant on the live update edition of Nightly News that we fed to the West Coast. The mini-mart, long ago cleaned out by looters, was nonetheless bathed in light, including the empty, roped-off gas pumps. The motorcade route through the district was partially lit no more than 30 minutes before POTUS drove through. And yet last night, no more than an hour after the President departed, the lights went out. The entire area was plunged into total darkness again, to audible groans. It's enough to make some of the folks here who witnessed it... jump to certain conclusions.
nice.
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: conjur
Friday morning (power) line
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8045532
I am duty-bound to report the talk of the New Orleans warehouse district last night: there was rejoicing (well, there would have been without the curfew, but the few people I saw on the streets were excited) when the power came back on for blocks on end. Kevin Tibbles was positively jubilant on the live update edition of Nightly News that we fed to the West Coast. The mini-mart, long ago cleaned out by looters, was nonetheless bathed in light, including the empty, roped-off gas pumps. The motorcade route through the district was partially lit no more than 30 minutes before POTUS drove through. And yet last night, no more than an hour after the President departed, the lights went out. The entire area was plunged into total darkness again, to audible groans. It's enough to make some of the folks here who witnessed it... jump to certain conclusions.
nice.

I thought the hurricane and the aftermath was bad enough

Now it appears the Clean Up and the "Investigations" are going to be worse!!!
 

Todd33

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I was hoping for Bush to be in a FEMA outfit, holding a black baby with a "Mission Accomplished" banner in the background. I guess they are slowly learning how to do PR, now they need to work on governing.
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: arsbanned
Don't worry, the mission to repair Bush's image is in full swing and proceeding nicely.

I think the GOP is more worried about THEIR image and al they are trying to do is buy it back.
 

ExpertNovice

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Originally posted by: alien42
hey bubba, when you hire a bunch of friends to do a job and they have no experience at that job........they are going to fail.

So it was not the Governor's fault it was their friends fault. That is an interesting twist that I have not heard. Please post the links.

 

zendari

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Yeh, vic, there's a "real" reason they voted the way they did- it's called "god, guns, gays and terrar", not to mention the attack of the swiftliars...

Your team took the greatest political windfall since pearl harbor and turned it into the narrowest re-election win of the last 100 years, even as they transformed projected budget surpluses into the most massive deficits ever. They've transformed sympathy over 9/11 into worldwide revulsion and loathing over Iraq, and Dub's newest efforts, "federal control" have disowned their no longer convenient "States' Rights" and "local control" doublespeak routine.

But some folks don't even seem to notice. Apparently, there are some advantages to being mesmerized. When the subject is told to feel no pain, they don't, no matter what...

He tried to respect States' Rights and let Governor Blanco handle the disaster. She started crying.

Of course, with this new ridiculous NO rebuilding speech, Bush is now unofficially a Democrat. Sounded quite like Clinton, I hope he doesn't go through with all of it.
 

Jhhnn

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from vic-

"You insult people without ever addressing their real issues, and then insult them even more when they don't go your way. You insult them for not giving enough when they barely squeak by financially, you threaten to raise their taxes when they're one paycheck from financial disaster, you insult their culture (particularly when you say that white America has no culture, which is an outright lie), you ignorantly insult their religion with little understanding and speak of having it banned, you threaten to take their cars away, you pass excessive regulations that make it so their businesses fail, you tell them all white people are born to privilege while they live their lives in a rundown single-wide in a trailer park in the middle of nowhere, and so on.
Oh yeah... those poor white folks may not like choosing Bush, but they hate and fear the Dems worse. And with good reason. "

Nice bit of projection on your part, along with a lot of false attribution apparently inspired from listening to too much rightwing thinktank inspired talk radio. You made my point in ways that I'd never dream of- that much of the Bush constituency believes in lies, and lets their emotions and their gonads dictate their voting patterns.

Thanks, I guess...
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Nice bit of projection on your part, along with a lot of false attribution apparently inspired from listening to too much rightwing thinktank inspired talk radio. You made my point in ways that I'd never dream of- that much of the Bush constituency believes in lies, and lets their emotions and their gonads dictate their voting patterns.

Thanks, I guess...
:roll:

That's your false attribution. I never listen to any type of commercial radio (especially not talk radio), and I voted for Gore and Kerry. I'm trying to help you clueless fools realize why you keep losing, but my patience has worn quite thin on this issue.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Yeh, vic, there's a "real" reason they voted the way they did- it's called "god, guns, gays and terrar", not to mention the attack of the swiftliars...

Your team took the greatest political windfall since pearl harbor and turned it into the narrowest re-election win of the last 100 years, even as they transformed projected budget surpluses into the most massive deficits ever. They've transformed sympathy over 9/11 into worldwide revulsion and loathing over Iraq, and Dub's newest efforts, "federal control" have disowned their no longer convenient "States' Rights" and "local control" doublespeak routine.

But some folks don't even seem to notice. Apparently, there are some advantages to being mesmerized. When the subject is told to feel no pain, they don't, no matter what...

He tried to respect States' Rights and let Governor Blanco handle the disaster. She started crying.

Of course, with this new ridiculous NO rebuilding speech, Bush is now unofficially a Democrat. Sounded quite like Clinton, I hope he doesn't go through with all of it.
Respect state's rights?!? WTF? Why don't you go read about every major hurricane that has hit Florida and/or the south in the recent past. You don't think FEMA blows billions and billions every single time? You don't think the recovery/relief efforts swing into action ASAP? There's nothing different about New Orleans other than the magnitude of the damage.
 

zendari

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Respect state's rights?!? WTF? Why don't you go read about every major hurricane that has hit Florida and/or the south in the recent past. You don't think FEMA blows billions and billions every single time? You don't think the recovery/relief efforts swing into action ASAP? There's nothing different about New Orleans other than the magnitude of the damage.

Unlike Blanco, Govenor Bush was both competent and willing to work with the federal government instead of playing petty partisan politics and working against them.
 

daclayman

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Respect state's rights?!? WTF? Why don't you go read about every major hurricane that has hit Florida and/or the south in the recent past. You don't think FEMA blows billions and billions every single time? You don't think the recovery/relief efforts swing into action ASAP? There's nothing different about New Orleans other than the magnitude of the damage.

Unlike Blanco, Govenor Bush was both competent and willing to work with the federal government instead of playing petty partisan politics and working against them.

Reading your posts makes baby jesus cry.