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Bush's secret family connections with Saudi Arabia

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raildogg

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This is the perfect example of sleeping with the Devil. If this isn't blood oil, then what is it?

Now the Bush fanboys here will come out and defend him, but in my mind, Bush is undermining this war on terror by still supporting the practices of the corrupt and evil Saudi regime. In fact, Bush invites Abdullah to his Crawford ranch for bbq. There are many family and business connections between the Bush family and Saudi Arabia. A true American leader would have reduced our dependence on the oil we import from Saudi Arabia one way or another.

Some of you may remember this, but after 9/11 all planes were grounded. All, except the planes that carried the Bin Laden family out of America. Not sure exactly how that fits in this discussion, but somehow its a interesting tidbit.

If you want to hurt your enemy, get them in the pocket. But since our leader has so many business connections with Saudi Arabia, this is the last thing he will do.

If this was really a war on terror, Saudi Arabia should have been taken out first. I am now less supportive of the war on Iraq as I learn about Bush's dealings with the evil Saudis. Why go after Iraq or N Korea or Syria when the root of terrorism goes unscathed?

Here are a few excerpts from the article:

In 1920, under a League of Nations mandate, officials from France and Great Britain carved up vast tracts of warlord-dominated territories in Arabia into what they imagined would be nation states devoid of the complex historical, cultural, and tribal realities of the Mideast.

Instead of establishing European-style nation states, the strongest warlords quickly entrenched themselves with the aid of standing armies and spy networks. In much of the Mideast, fealty is often accorded to tribal overlords and the Islamic sects they favor rather than to the territory and people within the boundaries of the nation state. Jonathan Rabin succinctly defines the reality, past and present, of the desert sheikdoms: "The systems of government that have evolved in Syria, Iraq and Saudi Arabia are paranoid family dictatorships with ancestral roots in a single city or village."

Islamic fundamentalists like Osama bin Laden make their appeals to the nation or community of believers, not to any particular nation state, although the rich and powerful among the Muslims have founded Western-style businesses and formed corporations both inside and outside the boundaries of their native countries. Because Osama himself is a scion of a rich Saudi family with wide-ranging business interests throughout the world, the split Saudi personality is most evident in him and the bin Laden clan. Osama, who calls America "The Great Satan," has done business with the infidel Americans whenever it suited him.

Throughout the eighties, when the United States assisted the Saudis in a giant military buildup of airfields, ports, and bases throughout the kingdom, many of the contracts were awarded to the largest construction company in Saudi Arabia, the Saudi Binladen Group, founded by Osama bin Laden?s father.

At the same time, the United States trained and armed troops in Afghanistan to fight the Soviets. The United States and Saudi Arabia spent about $40 billion on the war in Afghanistan, recruiting, supplying, and training nearly 100,000 radical mujahideen from forty Muslim countries, including Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Algeria, and Afghanistan itself. Among the recruits were Osama bin Laden and his followers.

With C.I.A. funding, Osama bin Laden imported engineers and equipment from his father?s Saudi construction company to build tunnels for guerrilla training centers and hospitals, and for arms dumps near the Pakistan border. After the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan, the C.I.A. and the Pakistani intelligence agency sponsored the Taliban organization, a government composed of the fanatic Wahhabi Islamic sect, the same sect that is the state religion in Saudi Arabia. Although followers of the Wahhabi sect do not refer to themselves as Wahhabis, the label is useful because it applies to a single Muslim group with a set of beliefs peculiar to them alone: Wahhabis maintain that Shi'ites and Sufis are not Muslims, and that Muslims should not visit shrines or celebrate Mohammed?s birthday.....
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Originally posted by: raildogg
Topic Title: Bush's secret family connections with Saudi Arabia
Topic Summary: maybe he is not the straight shooter he claims to be
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You and the rest of the Republicans in here voted for him and you have the gall to complain now??? 😕

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T
F

Sounds like Neal Boortz, Micheal Savage and Tammy Bruce complaining when they pushed rabidly as Hannity for Bush. :roll:
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
This is the perfect example of sleeping with the Devil. If this isn't blood oil, then what is it?

Now the Bush fanboys here will come out and defend him, but in my mind, Bush is undermining this war on terror by still supporting the practices of the corrupt and evil Saudi regime. In fact, Bush invites Abdullah to his Crawford ranch for bbq. There are many family and business connections between the Bush family and Saudi Arabia. A true American leader would have reduced our dependence on the oil we import from Saudi Arabia one way or another.

Some of you may remember this, but after 9/11 all planes were grounded. All, except the planes that carried the Bin Laden family out of America. Not sure exactly how that fits in this discussion, but somehow its a interesting tidbit.

If you want to hurt your enemy, get them in the pocket. But since our leader has so many business connections with Saudi Arabia, this is the last thing he will do.

If this was really a war on terror, Saudi Arabia should have been taken out first. I am now less supportive of the war on Iraq as I learn about Bush's dealings with the evil Saudis. Why go after Iraq or N Korea or Syria when the root of terrorism goes unscathed?

Here are a few excerpts from the article:

In 1920, under a League of Nations mandate, officials from France and Great Britain carved up vast tracts of warlord-dominated territories in Arabia into what they imagined would be nation states devoid of the complex historical, cultural, and tribal realities of the Mideast.

Instead of establishing European-style nation states, the strongest warlords quickly entrenched themselves with the aid of standing armies and spy networks. In much of the Mideast, fealty is often accorded to tribal overlords and the Islamic sects they favor rather than to the territory and people within the boundaries of the nation state. Jonathan Rabin succinctly defines the reality, past and present, of the desert sheikdoms: "The systems of government that have evolved in Syria, Iraq and Saudi Arabia are paranoid family dictatorships with ancestral roots in a single city or village."

Islamic fundamentalists like Osama bin Laden make their appeals to the nation or community of believers, not to any particular nation state, although the rich and powerful among the Muslims have founded Western-style businesses and formed corporations both inside and outside the boundaries of their native countries. Because Osama himself is a scion of a rich Saudi family with wide-ranging business interests throughout the world, the split Saudi personality is most evident in him and the bin Laden clan. Osama, who calls America "The Great Satan," has done business with the infidel Americans whenever it suited him.

Throughout the eighties, when the United States assisted the Saudis in a giant military buildup of airfields, ports, and bases throughout the kingdom, many of the contracts were awarded to the largest construction company in Saudi Arabia, the Saudi Binladen Group, founded by Osama bin Laden?s father.

At the same time, the United States trained and armed troops in Afghanistan to fight the Soviets. The United States and Saudi Arabia spent about $40 billion on the war in Afghanistan, recruiting, supplying, and training nearly 100,000 radical mujahideen from forty Muslim countries, including Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Algeria, and Afghanistan itself. Among the recruits were Osama bin Laden and his followers.

With C.I.A. funding, Osama bin Laden imported engineers and equipment from his father?s Saudi construction company to build tunnels for guerrilla training centers and hospitals, and for arms dumps near the Pakistan border. After the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan, the C.I.A. and the Pakistani intelligence agency sponsored the Taliban organization, a government composed of the fanatic Wahhabi Islamic sect, the same sect that is the state religion in Saudi Arabia. Although followers of the Wahhabi sect do not refer to themselves as Wahhabis, the label is useful because it applies to a single Muslim group with a set of beliefs peculiar to them alone: Wahhabis maintain that Shi'ites and Sufis are not Muslims, and that Muslims should not visit shrines or celebrate Mohammed?s birthday.....
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This again! Multiple past threads.

 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: raildogg
Topic Title: Bush's secret family connections with Saudi Arabia
Topic Summary: maybe he is not the straight shooter he claims to be
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You and the rest of the Republicans in here voted for him and you have the gall to complain now??? 😕

W
T
F

Sounds like Neal Boortz, Micheal Savage and Tammy Bruce complaining when they pushed rabidly as Hannity for Bush. :roll:
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I'm not a party sheep like you. And I'm not a Republican and I didn't vote for Bush.

I was never a big Bush supporter in the first place but I don't mindlessly attack him either, like most people here.

We need to look beyond party lines.
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: raildogg
Topic Title: Bush's secret family connections with Saudi Arabia
Topic Summary: maybe he is not the straight shooter he claims to be
Click to expand...

You and the rest of the Republicans in here voted for him and you have the gall to complain now??? 😕

W
T
F

Sounds like Neal Boortz, Micheal Savage and Tammy Bruce complaining when they pushed rabidly as Hannity for Bush. :roll:
Click to expand...

I'm not a party sheep like you. And I'm not a Republican and I didn't vote for Bush.

I was never a big Bush supporter in the first place but I don't mindlessly attack him either, like most people here.
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Ever think that could be because he shouldn't still be in that position??? 😕

I'm hardly a Democrat Sheep either, I voted for the idiot the first time but certainly not a second time like the real Party Sheep you speak of.

 
Yeah, this is the same crap that Moore was pawning off as reality last year. Get with the times. The election is over, you can start crying any time now.



You also really need to understand the modern history (post 1930) of Saudi Arabia - I doubt you do. Knowledge of this sheds light on everything.
 
Originally posted by: irwincur
Yeah, this is the same crap that Moore was pawning off as reality last year. Get with the times. The election is over, you can start crying any time now.



You also really need to understand the modern history (post 1930) of Saudi Arabia - I doubt you do. Knowledge of this sheds light on everything.
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They do eat their own.

It seems that to be conservative means supporting Bush and his philosophy. Anyone who disagrees is subject to this kind of statement.

Damn good thing we limit our kings to two terms.
 
Originally posted by: Condor
This again! Multiple past threads.
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This coming from someone that posts a Spewsmax article rehashing the old story about the various dismantled weapons sites in Iraq and claims it proves WMDs were there? :roll:
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Condor
This again! Multiple past threads.
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This coming from someone that posts a Spewsmax article rehashing the old story about the various dismantled weapons sites in Iraq and claims it proves WMDs were there? :roll:
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Better than this one trick pony:

Yeah, this is the same crap that Moore was pawning off as reality last year. Get with the times. The election is over, you can start crying any time now.
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Look at my avitar: I've been crying since November! But this was relevant then and it is relevant now.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: raildogg
Topic Title: Bush's secret family connections with Saudi Arabia
Topic Summary: maybe he is not the straight shooter he claims to be
Click to expand...

You and the rest of the Republicans in here voted for him and you have the gall to complain now??? 😕

W
T
F

Sounds like Neal Boortz, Micheal Savage and Tammy Bruce complaining when they pushed rabidly as Hannity for Bush. :roll:
Click to expand...

I'm not a party sheep like you. And I'm not a Republican and I didn't vote for Bush.

I was never a big Bush supporter in the first place but I don't mindlessly attack him either, like most people here.
Click to expand...

Ever think that could be because he shouldn't still be in that position??? 😕

I'm hardly a Democrat Sheep either, I voted for the idiot the first time but certainly not a second time like the real Party Sheep you speak of.
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YOU voted for Bush? HAHAHA, I love it.
 
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