Bush's response is not adequate

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: conjur

He also thanked Citgo and Chavez!

Why? For spiking their prices?

No, for actually donating oil and food to the victims. More than most of the other countries have done.

Huh - They were leading the charge of the price gougers here - by up to $1 more per gallon than their competitors. I guess that's where the money's going, eh? What citizens!

Proof is in the pudding.

What the local gas stations do isn't necessarily controlled by Chavez. (each station locally owned and operated).

We'll see if it ever gets here. Anybody can offer.

And I know that Citgo was gouging here. Coincidence that it was all the Citgos? I think not.

 

[Kremlar]

Man, Hastert is an asshole.

Truth hurts.

He's right - the design of that city makes absolutely no sense.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: conjur
If the shoe fits...

And, in this case, it's a perfect fit.

I'll have the common courtesy to not tell you which shoe fits you.

I have no problem calling him a LIAR. Because that's what he is. He's been repeatedly told by me that I am not a member of the Free Republic and I don't read that site - yet he constantly tries to claim I'm a freeper.
With that evidence in plain sight - there is no doubt he is and should be exposed for the LIAR he is.

And we're to believe a n00b troll like you?

:roll:

You exhibit 100% of the symptoms of Freeperhea.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
We'll see if it ever gets here. Anybody can offer.

And I know that Citgo was gouging here. Coincidence that it was all the Citgos? I think not.

Proof of this?

Looks like BP to me <--- Captured the image from Yahoo.

http://www.atlantagasprices.com/

Shell - $3.99
Marathon - $3.99
Exxon - $3.99
Chevron - $3.95
Citgo - $3.79
Citgo - $3.69


Nice try.

 

[TRUMPHENT]

Originally posted by: Kremlar
All this bickering is pathetic. It's disgusting that people are playing politics at a time like this - saying how Louisiana was asking for more funds, how in 2001 FEMA warned of a disaster like this.

HELLO - do you know how many states are asking for more funds for various reasons? Umm, try ALL of them. Louisiana wasn't the only one with potential problems. Nobody can predict the future, and nobody realized just how bad this would turn out.

It seems to me that there are plenty of troops and equipment to handle the problem, they just need more organization. It looks like good things are starting to happen. This problem is just so large in scope and so varying, it's hard to handle everything at once.

I also love how people were bitching about Bush being in a suit. If he wasn't in a suit, they'd be giving him crap about still being on vacation, couldn't even take the time to
look presentable, blah blah.

The extreme left is pathetic.

So is the extreme right. I just saw some footage of the SuperDome. People were wading throuh water to board busses that will take them to Texas. Meanwhile, at the Convention Center, people were gathering and haven't been addressed.

The situation is deteriorating even as the relief efforts are spooling up. It is lilttle wonder that total evacuation of the City of New Orleans has been ordered. The people trapped there aren't getting out without assistance.

 

[MrDingleDangle]

Originally posted by: Mill
Man, Hastert is an asshole.

Hastert: Rebuilding NOLA makes no sense.

What a piece of dogsh!t.

FEMA and the government need to get off their ass or at least tell us what the problem is. If they need manpower there are tons of countries offering help and lots of volunteers willing to help. If they need money, then don't just trot out Clinton and Bush -- let us know so we can keep the money flowing in. Fvck, just let us do something instead of keeping on saying "Wait, we are assessing the situation and reacting appropriately."

Tell us what the hell you are doing, dumbasses. There are people dying and the nation knows before you do!

yep...why is it everytime i see a Washington politician they are saying everything is fine, and being handled

but when i see local new orleans politicians they are saying SOS! This place is in real trouble

 

[rahvin]

Well CNN has reported that Bush has authorized 3000 of the 101st to deploy "if needed". 3000.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Kremlar

Man, Hastert is an asshole.

Truth hurts.

He's right - the design of that city makes absolutely no sense.

So, the Netherlands doesn't make sense either? The entire country is below sea-level. The problem with NO is that the dikes and levees should have been higher and thicker with more technology. It is an economic beast of a city and a strong point. The design would be no better along the coast anywhere else. Mobile was lucky it didn't hit there or the same thing would have occurred as the Bay of Mobile was pushed into the city. Same goes for Tampa. All those cities are at risk.

 

[rahvin]

An old man in a chaise lounge lay dead in a grassy median as hungry babies wailed around him. Around the corner, an elderly woman lay dead in her wheelchair, covered up by a blanket, and another body lay beside her wrapped in a sheet.

"I don't treat my dog like that," 47-year-old Daniel Edwards said as he pointed at the woman in the wheelchair. "I buried my dog." He added: "You can do everything for other countries but you can't do nothing for your own people. You can go overseas with the military but you can't get them down here."

But the ambulance service in charge of taking the sick and injured from the Superdome suspended flights after a shot was reported fired at a military helicopter. Richard Zuschlag, chief of Acadian Ambulance, said it had become too dangerous for his pilots.

The military, which was overseeing the removal of the able-bodied by buses, continued the ground evacuation without interruption, said National Guard Lt. Col. Pete Schneider. The government had no immediate confirmation of whether a military helicopter was fired on.

The president urged a crackdown on the lawlessness.

"I think there ought to be zero tolerance of people breaking the law during an emergency such as this -- whether it be looting, or price gouging at the gasoline pump, or taking advantage of charitable giving or insurance fraud," Bush said. "And I've made that clear to our attorney general. The citizens ought to be working together."

Yea George, it would help if YOU PUT BOOTS ON THE GROUND TO HELP WITH THE LAWLESSNESS.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/09/01/Katrina.superdome.ap/index.html

 

[Kremlar]

So, the Netherlands doesn't make sense either? The entire country is below sea-level. The problem with NO is that the dikes and levees should have been higher and thicker with more technology. It is an economic beast of a city and a strong point. The design would be no better along the coast anywhere else. Mobile was lucky it didn't hit there or the same thing would have occurred as the Bay of Mobile was pushed into the city. Same goes for Tampa. All those cities are at risk.

What's your point? Did you read beyond the 1st paragraph of that article?

Why would you spend billions to rebuild the city the same as it was? That would be idiotic.

Hastert's press secretary, Ron Bonjean, said Hastert was not suggesting New Orleans should be abandoned or relocated. "The speaker believes that we should have a discussion about how best to rebuild New Orleans so as to protect its citizens," he said. "What he is saying is that rebuilding the city in the same way is not sensible."

 

[Kremlar]

So is the extreme right. I just saw some footage of the SuperDome. People were wading throuh water to board busses that will take them to Texas. Meanwhile, at the Convention Center, people were gathering and haven't been addressed.

How is that a problem with the right?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Kremlar

So, the Netherlands doesn't make sense either? The entire country is below sea-level. The problem with NO is that the dikes and levees should have been higher and thicker with more technology. It is an economic beast of a city and a strong point. The design would be no better along the coast anywhere else. Mobile was lucky it didn't hit there or the same thing would have occurred as the Bay of Mobile was pushed into the city. Same goes for Tampa. All those cities are at risk.

What's your point? Did you read beyond the 1st paragraph of that article?

Why would you spend billions to rebuild the city the same as it was? That would be idiotic.

Hastert's press secretary, Ron Bonjean, said Hastert was not suggesting New Orleans should be abandoned or relocated. "The speaker believes that we should have a discussion about how best to rebuild New Orleans so as to protect its citizens," he said. "What he is saying is that rebuilding the city in the same way is not sensible."

Boy, you are a pretty dense individual aren't you? That wasn't what Hastert said you moron, that was his press secretary covering his ass after he put his foot in his mouth. Hastert said it made no sense to rebuilt the city. His PRESS SECRETARY is the one who covered for him. Perhaps you cannot read, but I certainly can.

 

[TRUMPHENT]

Originally posted by: rahvin
Well CNN has reported that Bush has authorized 3000 of the 101st to deploy "if needed". 3000.

Shouldn't they have been deployed to Iraq over two years ago?

 

[BBond]

The right is in power in both the executive and legislative branches.

I was watching some TV news. Bush wants zero tolerance for looting. This extends to food or any other necessity that the government's negligence requires you to do to survive a disaster. This Brown character from FEMA was on saying these people chose to stay behind and that since the waters started subsiding people just began appearing. He found it "fascinating". His word, honest, "fascinating". He said FEMA had no idea people were in the convention center until today. I guess FEMA can be added to the list of government agencies that don't have a fvcking TV set.

What a disgrace. I couldn't believe I was watching video from an American city. It looked like Bangladesh or Haiti after a storm as they waited for aid from "developed" nations. Like the U.S.A. used to be.

I guess the message from the Bush administration is this, if there is a crisis, you're on your own. But don't do anything to survive that might be against the law during normal times. But since Bush overtook the U.S. government nothing is normal anymore.

Mark my words you younger folks who are witnessing all of this without recognizing what you're seeing. In not too many years you'll look back at 2000 and say "that's when everything changed" but it'll be way too late.

Anderson Cooper, of all people, is really giving Mary Landrieu a rough time on CNN right now, asking about how this could possibly have been allowed to happen. I hope some of these "journalists" save some of that anger for Bush.

 

[tommywishbone]

Anyone who looks to Bush or FEMA for any measure of help is delusional. Government employees, stealing their paychecks for years, will seldom if ever, rise to the occasion when the chips are down.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Kremlar
All this bickering is pathetic. It's disgusting that people are playing politics at a time like this - saying how Louisiana was asking for more funds, how in 2001 FEMA warned of a disaster like this.

HELLO - do you know how many states are asking for more funds for various reasons? Umm, try ALL of them. Louisiana wasn't the only one with potential problems. Nobody can predict the future, and nobody realized just how bad this would turn out.

It seems to me that there are plenty of troops and equipment to handle the problem, they just need more organization. It looks like good things are starting to happen. This problem is just so large in scope and so varying, it's hard to handle everything at once.

I also love how people were bitching about Bush being in a suit. If he wasn't in a suit, they'd be giving him crap about still being on vacation, couldn't even take the time to look presentable, blah blah.

The extreme left is pathetic.

The extreme left is pathetic?

I'd be more worried about the racists in OT which everyone seems to forget.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle

Originally posted by: Mill
Man, Hastert is an asshole.

Hastert: Rebuilding NOLA makes no sense.

What a piece of dogsh!t.

FEMA and the government need to get off their ass or at least tell us what the problem is. If they need manpower there are tons of countries offering help and lots of volunteers willing to help. If they need money, then don't just trot out Clinton and Bush -- let us know so we can keep the money flowing in. Fvck, just let us do something instead of keeping on saying "Wait, we are assessing the situation and reacting appropriately."

Tell us what the hell you are doing, dumbasses. There are people dying and the nation knows before you do!

yep...why is it everytime i see a Washington politician they are saying everything is fine, and being handled

but when i see local new orleans politicians they are saying SOS! This place is in real trouble

Hastert has issued a new statement that, in essence, he "won't rest" until everyone gets the help they need.

:wanker;

 

[stateofbeasley]

I haven't seen this much general trolling and inflamatory comments in a long time. There are a few things that bother me:

(1) Most of the video I am watching on the news shows that the people who suffered the most were the poor and the elderly. There was prior notice that this storm was coming. Why weren't the people in wheelchairs, the people with dire medical conditions, and those in otherwise fragile health evacuated? I'm extremely bothered to see elderly people dead and dying, some clutching hastily scrawled notes to loved ones. I've no numbers to back this up, but most of the poor and helpless are African American. This segment of the population has taken a really hard hit.

(2) Why isn't more food and water being delivered to these people?

(3) If the Federal government isn't moving quickly enough on this, how would they react to a huge, city-wide disaster caused by terrorism? I really would not want to get caught up in that.

 

[OrByte]

I think its funny how no one has seemed to ask a very specific question to this administration and that is:

this disaster started about 4 almost 5 days ago. The adminstration has pledged troops would be in the area tommorow(fri).

WTF!?

thats 5 days with no law, no available food or water...your body needs water or in 4 or 5 days YOU ARE DEAD.

why couldn't the administration act a little faster!? straight up parachute into the area and restore some sense of order.

SO after 5 days the NG will arrive, that doesnt even BEGIN to administer some sort of PLAN and put the plan in motion...which may happen SAT or SUN. That is a WHOLE WEEK of 1000s of people not having access to food or water.

lots of people are going to be dead

We keep hearing that help will be on the way friday...well...friday is too goddam late.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: conjur

He also thanked Citgo and Chavez!

Why? For spiking their prices?

No, for actually donating oil and food to the victims. More than most of the other countries have done.

Do you have a link that says they donated oil and food? All I've seen is that they've offered to do so (such as the link you provided later). It also says that the State Department isn't aware of any such offer. I'd think that it would be rather easy for them to donate through Citgo stations if they're serious. I think that it might just be all talk.

 

[stateofbeasley]

I'm sure that many Americans have and will donate money, but what counts in situations like these is rapid response to keep people alive.

Originally posted by: OrByte
thats 5 days with no law, no available food or water...your body needs water or in 4 or 5 days YOU ARE DEAD.
...
lots of people are going to be dead

We keep hearing that help will be on the way friday...well...friday is too goddam late.

 

[TRUMPHENT]

Originally posted by: tommywishbone
Anyone who looks to Bush or FEMA for any measure of help is delusional. Goverment employees stealing their paychecks for years, will seldom if ever, rise to the occasion when the chips are down.

The thieves are not thte FEMA eployees. They are the guy that lives next door. Last year, Miami-Dade County spawned a healthy number of fraudulent claims.

 

[rahvin]

1. I would imagine there were a lot of unhealthy and poor that couldn't evacuate without help. None was provided to assist them in evaculating. Honestly no one expected the leeve's the breach (apparently) but as soon as they did the president should have mobilized the 101st and put them on the ground to provide security so that everyone else could focus on rescuing people. Marshal law has still not been declared which just blows me away, the whole concept of marshal law is this situation exactly.

2. I also don't understand why food and water haven't been delivered, it all could have been airlifted into the airport and distributed by helicopter and vehicle.

3. This is a wake up call on this countries disaster response. We have spent how many billions on this department called homeland security, where are they? What are they doing? Why isn't the millitary (the active duty one) responding? Why did it take 5 days for anyone to get there? We invaded and took control of panama in less time!

 

[JSt0rm]

I would think at some point people would start to drink that brackish water. I don't even want to think about what that would do to your body but I'm sure it's going to cause some of the deaths.

ALL of the reporters on the ground are shaken up. Look at anderson cooper, he's like walking around by himself sometimes catching up with other reporters and saying "where are the authorities?"

I never would of thought that these people wouldn't even be airdropped food and water by now. I wonder how fast we can put a heavy bomber in the air and have it strike on the other side of the planet?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
We'll see if it ever gets here. Anybody can offer.

And I know that Citgo was gouging here. Coincidence that it was all the Citgos? I think not.

Proof of this?

Looks like BP to me <--- Captured the image from Yahoo.

http://www.atlantagasprices.com/

Shell - $3.99
Marathon - $3.99
Exxon - $3.99
Chevron - $3.95
Citgo - $3.79
Citgo - $3.69


Nice try.

No proof of your claim??