Bush's "plan" speech

[onelove]

by removing a source of terrorist violence from the middle east we make the region and the US more secure...

5 step program
1. "full sovereignty" ("occupation will end")
- form of government: 1 pres, 2 vps, 1 prime minister, 26 under-ministers
- chosen by regional councils
- 12 ministries already under Iraqi control
- some town councils elected
2. establish security/stability
- terrorists/saddam loyalists are our common enemies
- america will provide the forces necessary for achieving security
- under 115k troops sufficient (but 138k will be maintained as long as necessary)
- thanks to troops for sacrifice (applause)
- Fallujah - overwhelming force could have been used; but was not because of political reasons.
- US troops will act jointly with iraqi troops
- young [unnamed] cleric is hiding an illegal militia
- US forces have respected religious sites
- iraqi forces ejected militia from govt bldg
- iraqi citizens have protested against militants
- sometimes iraqi forces have failed & we have taken steps to correct these failures
- improved vetting of officers and senior enlisted men
- the UN will authorize a "multinational force"
3. build infrastructure
- new infrastructure built
- new currency
- open to foreign investment
- oil revenues being used to help people of iraq
- many creditors pledged to forgive some loans
- saddam neglected infrastructure
- new embassy will have "regional offices"
- build more prisons (abu-something) bad
- build maximum security prison
- demolish Abu-something (applause)
4. enlist additional intl support
- at every stage US has gone to UN
- support for interim govt
- encourage other participants
- most nations have expressed support for free iraq
- 15 NATO nations together have 17,000 troops
5. elections
- held no later than next January
- UN is going to handle this
- select interim assembly
- interim assembly will select executive
- interim assembly will draft constitution
- more elections by December 2005

"I sent troops to Iraq to make the Iraqi people free."

 

[Skiguy411]

Originally posted by: onelove

"I sent troops to Iraq to make the Iraqi people free."

I soon as I heard that I thought, oh man, he shouldnt have said that.

 

[Drift3r]

Abu Ghraib......Bush trying to say Abu Ghraib made me roll into laughter !! You think he would of reheresed this before hand but clearly he couldn't be bothered to do so. Oh and what is the plan again to get ourselves out of this quagmire ? It sounded like the same old speech I have heard before in his other speeches.

 

[conjur]

Sen. Biden interviewed by Chris Mathews after Bush's propaganda nailed it:

President Bush must lead!
President Bush must get on a plane and meet with the heads of the major powers
He must pick up a phone and make the calls
Get a NATO face on the occupying force since the Iraqi security personnel training will take at least 3 years according to all those in charge of it that Sen. Biden has spoken with

Bush gave no details on the handover nor on the security training

When the Iraqi people wake up on July 1, what will be different? Nothing.

Full sovereignty? What did Bush mean by that? Does that mean the new gov't will have control over the U.S. troops? Over the "coalition" troops? Will it be able to enact its own laws and enforce them?

Only more questions remain after Bush's speech.


Oh, and he sloughed off the Abu Ghraib disaster as that of a couple of idiots. How about acknowledging that you knew about the plan to violate the Geneva Convention, Mr. President????

 

[smashp]

The speach finally organized our objectives in Iraq, as believed by the president. I will say that many areas need more in-depth questioning and outlining. Its really not clear now as the path we are proceding. The Plan had alot of generalzations and some area's of the five point plan had more detail and explaination than others.


About What I realistically expected. Still no timetable for american troop Withdraw.

I did sence a larger urgency for the UN to Get involved.



one last point.

The Number one reason the President gave for invading IRaq was To Protect The security of the United states.

Not to Free the iraqi people as many on this board have regurgated over and over.

 

[Painman]

I didn't hear much of anything new in the speech, to me he just took half an hour to say the usual... "stay the course".

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: smashp
The Number one reason the President gave for invading IRaq was To Protect The security of the United states.

Not to Free the iraqi people as many on this board have regurgated over and over.

From what ? Iraq was and has never been a threat to the US. The WMD's arent there so that kills that piece of his speech.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Painman
I didn't hear much of anything new in the speech, to me he just took half an hour to say the usual... "stay the course".

He took half a hour of my life away as well and I want it back !

 

[conehead433]

"The Number one reason the President gave for invading IRaq was To Protect The security of the United states."

Yep, they could have just about wiped us out with all of their 100 mile range missles and their WMDs. But since we knew where all the WMDs were, we have been able to neutralize all of them because of our brilliant attack strategy.

 

[Phokus]

1. Invade

2. ???*

3. Freedom!


*(Bush is a bit stumped on this step)

 

[MonstaThrilla]

Originally posted by: Phokus
1. Invade

2. ???*

3. Freedom!


*(Bush is a bit stumped on this step)

LOL. Maybe step 2 is "Collect Socks".

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: conjur
Sen. Biden interviewed by Chris Mathews after Bush's propaganda nailed it:

President Bush must lead!
President Bush must get on a plane and meet with the heads of the major powers
He must pick up a phone and make the calls
Get a NATO face on the occupying force since the Iraqi security personnel training will take at least 3 years according to all those in charge of it that Sen. Biden has spoken with

Bush gave no details on the handover nor on the security training

When the Iraqi people wake up on July 1, what will be different? Nothing.

Full sovereignty? What did Bush mean by that? Does that mean the new gov't will have control over the U.S. troops? Over the "coalition" troops? Will it be able to enact its own laws and enforce them?

Only more questions remain after Bush's speech.


Oh, and he sloughed off the Abu Ghraib disaster as that of a couple of idiots. How about acknowledging that you knew about the plan to violate the Geneva Convention, Mr. President????

Are terrorists entitled to protection under the geneva covention?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: conjur
Sen. Biden interviewed by Chris Mathews after Bush's propaganda nailed it:

President Bush must lead!
President Bush must get on a plane and meet with the heads of the major powers
He must pick up a phone and make the calls
Get a NATO face on the occupying force since the Iraqi security personnel training will take at least 3 years according to all those in charge of it that Sen. Biden has spoken with

Bush gave no details on the handover nor on the security training

When the Iraqi people wake up on July 1, what will be different? Nothing.

Full sovereignty? What did Bush mean by that? Does that mean the new gov't will have control over the U.S. troops? Over the "coalition" troops? Will it be able to enact its own laws and enforce them?

Only more questions remain after Bush's speech.


Oh, and he sloughed off the Abu Ghraib disaster as that of a couple of idiots. How about acknowledging that you knew about the plan to violate the Geneva Convention, Mr. President????

Are terrorists entitled to protection under the geneva covention?

What terrorists? Just because Bush calls them terrorists doesn't mean the Iraqi citizens defending their homeland are terrorists. They were captured through the course of normal warfare operations, including house-to-house searches. And the prisoners were 70-90% wrongly arrested and were innocent.

 

[Klixxer]

Full sovereignty? So if they ask the US troops and companies to leave they will?

When the government of Iraq is able to control Iraq then full sovereignity is a fact, until that day, stop pretending, you just look like a moron when you spout off lies that even a 12 year old can spot.

Christ, i can't believe people are actually getting payed to write these speeches, do they really think Americans are that stupid?

And why the UN? I thought the UN was irrelevant? If there is not a renegotiation of contracts for rebuilding then the UN should give Bushie boy the finger, i sure hope my country does.

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: conjur
Sen. Biden interviewed by Chris Mathews after Bush's propaganda nailed it:

President Bush must lead!
President Bush must get on a plane and meet with the heads of the major powers
He must pick up a phone and make the calls
Get a NATO face on the occupying force since the Iraqi security personnel training will take at least 3 years according to all those in charge of it that Sen. Biden has spoken with

Bush gave no details on the handover nor on the security training

When the Iraqi people wake up on July 1, what will be different? Nothing.

Full sovereignty? What did Bush mean by that? Does that mean the new gov't will have control over the U.S. troops? Over the "coalition" troops? Will it be able to enact its own laws and enforce them?

Only more questions remain after Bush's speech.


Oh, and he sloughed off the Abu Ghraib disaster as that of a couple of idiots. How about acknowledging that you knew about the plan to violate the Geneva Convention, Mr. President????

Are terrorists entitled to protection under the geneva covention?

What terrorists? Just because Bush calls them terrorists doesn't mean the Iraqi citizens defending their homeland are terrorists. They were captured through the course of normal warfare operations, including house-to-house searches. And the prisoners were 70-90% wrongly arrested and were innocent.

You didnt answer the question.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: conjur
Sen. Biden interviewed by Chris Mathews after Bush's propaganda nailed it:

President Bush must lead!
President Bush must get on a plane and meet with the heads of the major powers
He must pick up a phone and make the calls
Get a NATO face on the occupying force since the Iraqi security personnel training will take at least 3 years according to all those in charge of it that Sen. Biden has spoken with

Bush gave no details on the handover nor on the security training

When the Iraqi people wake up on July 1, what will be different? Nothing.

Full sovereignty? What did Bush mean by that? Does that mean the new gov't will have control over the U.S. troops? Over the "coalition" troops? Will it be able to enact its own laws and enforce them?

Only more questions remain after Bush's speech.


Oh, and he sloughed off the Abu Ghraib disaster as that of a couple of idiots. How about acknowledging that you knew about the plan to violate the Geneva Convention, Mr. President????

Are terrorists entitled to protection under the geneva covention?

70-90% of all prisoners were innocent, basically they just rounded everyone up for interrogation, stalinist tactics, then they "softened them up" by raping them, humiliating them and beating them, some of them were beaten to death.

So, who are these terrorists you speak of? The US soldiers doing the deed, killing innocent civilians, for once you cannot even claim collateral damage.

 

[joshw10]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Christ, i can't believe people are actually getting payed to write these speeches, do they really think Americans are that stupid?

Believe me, they are

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: conjur
Sen. Biden interviewed by Chris Mathews after Bush's propaganda nailed it:

President Bush must lead!
President Bush must get on a plane and meet with the heads of the major powers
He must pick up a phone and make the calls
Get a NATO face on the occupying force since the Iraqi security personnel training will take at least 3 years according to all those in charge of it that Sen. Biden has spoken with

Bush gave no details on the handover nor on the security training

When the Iraqi people wake up on July 1, what will be different? Nothing.

Full sovereignty? What did Bush mean by that? Does that mean the new gov't will have control over the U.S. troops? Over the "coalition" troops? Will it be able to enact its own laws and enforce them?

Only more questions remain after Bush's speech.


Oh, and he sloughed off the Abu Ghraib disaster as that of a couple of idiots. How about acknowledging that you knew about the plan to violate the Geneva Convention, Mr. President????

Are terrorists entitled to protection under the geneva covention?

What terrorists? Just because Bush calls them terrorists doesn't mean the Iraqi citizens defending their homeland are terrorists. They were captured through the course of normal warfare operations, including house-to-house searches. And the prisoners were 70-90% wrongly arrested and were innocent.

You didnt answer the question.

If they are a terrorist caught, say, here in the States or in Iraq where there's a conventional theater of war, then, yes, they should be afforded the rights under the Geneva Convention.

As many have said, including John McCain, we must take the higher moral ground. We must be better then they are.


Now, answer my question.

 

[DealMonkey]

It sounds like our troops will remain indefinitely in Iraq. Which means even though we may turn over power (in a limited way), our troops will still be in harms way for who knows how long? That doesn't sound like an exit strategy, it sounds like a semi-permanent military occupation that could last best-case-scenario at least another year, worst-case-scenario, another 3+ years.

 

[PatboyX]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: conjur
Sen. Biden interviewed by Chris Mathews after Bush's propaganda nailed it:

President Bush must lead!
President Bush must get on a plane and meet with the heads of the major powers
He must pick up a phone and make the calls
Get a NATO face on the occupying force since the Iraqi security personnel training will take at least 3 years according to all those in charge of it that Sen. Biden has spoken with

Bush gave no details on the handover nor on the security training

When the Iraqi people wake up on July 1, what will be different? Nothing.

Full sovereignty? What did Bush mean by that? Does that mean the new gov't will have control over the U.S. troops? Over the "coalition" troops? Will it be able to enact its own laws and enforce them?

Only more questions remain after Bush's speech.


Oh, and he sloughed off the Abu Ghraib disaster as that of a couple of idiots. How about acknowledging that you knew about the plan to violate the Geneva Convention, Mr. President????

Are terrorists entitled to protection under the geneva covention?

What terrorists? Just because Bush calls them terrorists doesn't mean the Iraqi citizens defending their homeland are terrorists. They were captured through the course of normal warfare operations, including house-to-house searches. And the prisoners were 70-90% wrongly arrested and were innocent.

You didnt answer the question.

If they are a terrorist caught, say, here in the States or in Iraq where there's a conventional theater of war, then, yes, they should be afforded the rights under the Geneva Convention.

As many have said, including John McCain, we must take the higher moral ground. We must be better then they are.


Now, answer my question.

everytime i come to this forum, i fall more deeply in love with conjur...

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
It sounds like our troops will remain indefinitely in Iraq. Which means even though we may turn over power (in a limited way), our troops will still be in harms way for who knows how long? That doesn't sound like an exit strategy, it sounds like a semi-permanent military occupation that could last best-case-scenario at least another year, worst-case-scenario, another 3+ years.

I would say best case scenario 3+ years more, then just hope that civil war isn't the result after coalition troops leave.

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: conjur
Sen. Biden interviewed by Chris Mathews after Bush's propaganda nailed it:

President Bush must lead!
President Bush must get on a plane and meet with the heads of the major powers
He must pick up a phone and make the calls
Get a NATO face on the occupying force since the Iraqi security personnel training will take at least 3 years according to all those in charge of it that Sen. Biden has spoken with

Bush gave no details on the handover nor on the security training

When the Iraqi people wake up on July 1, what will be different? Nothing.

Full sovereignty? What did Bush mean by that? Does that mean the new gov't will have control over the U.S. troops? Over the "coalition" troops? Will it be able to enact its own laws and enforce them?

Only more questions remain after Bush's speech.


Oh, and he sloughed off the Abu Ghraib disaster as that of a couple of idiots. How about acknowledging that you knew about the plan to violate the Geneva Convention, Mr. President????

Are terrorists entitled to protection under the geneva covention?

What terrorists? Just because Bush calls them terrorists doesn't mean the Iraqi citizens defending their homeland are terrorists. They were captured through the course of normal warfare operations, including house-to-house searches. And the prisoners were 70-90% wrongly arrested and were innocent.

You didnt answer the question.

If they are a terrorist caught, say, here in the States or in Iraq where there's a conventional theater of war, then, yes, they should be afforded the rights under the Geneva Convention.

As many have said, including John McCain, we must take the higher moral ground. We must be better then they are.


Now, answer my question.

The t's in custody. Im sure when the provisional government is in power they will convict them.

 

[onelove]

I liked the throw-in line about building some shiney, new maximum security prisons for Iraq. I see Bush reading through the speech and adding in that line for good measure, just off the top of his head.

Kind of like the speech where he pointed out the need to control athlete steroid abuse; just something the common man can relate to.

 

[NightCrawler]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: conjur
Sen. Biden interviewed by Chris Mathews after Bush's propaganda nailed it:

President Bush must lead!
President Bush must get on a plane and meet with the heads of the major powers
He must pick up a phone and make the calls
Get a NATO face on the occupying force since the Iraqi security personnel training will take at least 3 years according to all those in charge of it that Sen. Biden has spoken with

Bush gave no details on the handover nor on the security training

When the Iraqi people wake up on July 1, what will be different? Nothing.

Full sovereignty? What did Bush mean by that? Does that mean the new gov't will have control over the U.S. troops? Over the "coalition" troops? Will it be able to enact its own laws and enforce them?

Only more questions remain after Bush's speech.


Oh, and he sloughed off the Abu Ghraib disaster as that of a couple of idiots. How about acknowledging that you knew about the plan to violate the Geneva Convention, Mr. President????

Are terrorists entitled to protection under the geneva covention?

What terrorists? Just because Bush calls them terrorists doesn't mean the Iraqi citizens defending their homeland are terrorists. They were captured through the course of normal warfare operations, including house-to-house searches. And the prisoners were 70-90% wrongly arrested and were innocent.

70-90% where did you come up with these numbers ?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: conjur
Sen. Biden interviewed by Chris Mathews after Bush's propaganda nailed it:

President Bush must lead!
President Bush must get on a plane and meet with the heads of the major powers
He must pick up a phone and make the calls
Get a NATO face on the occupying force since the Iraqi security personnel training will take at least 3 years according to all those in charge of it that Sen. Biden has spoken with

Bush gave no details on the handover nor on the security training

When the Iraqi people wake up on July 1, what will be different? Nothing.

Full sovereignty? What did Bush mean by that? Does that mean the new gov't will have control over the U.S. troops? Over the "coalition" troops? Will it be able to enact its own laws and enforce them?

Only more questions remain after Bush's speech.


Oh, and he sloughed off the Abu Ghraib disaster as that of a couple of idiots. How about acknowledging that you knew about the plan to violate the Geneva Convention, Mr. President????

Are terrorists entitled to protection under the geneva covention?

What terrorists? Just because Bush calls them terrorists doesn't mean the Iraqi citizens defending their homeland are terrorists. They were captured through the course of normal warfare operations, including house-to-house searches. And the prisoners were 70-90% wrongly arrested and were innocent.

You didnt answer the question.

If they are a terrorist caught, say, here in the States or in Iraq where there's a conventional theater of war, then, yes, they should be afforded the rights under the Geneva Convention.

As many have said, including John McCain, we must take the higher moral ground. We must be better then they are.


Now, answer my question.

The t's in custody. Im sure when the provisional government is in power they will convict them.

What terrorists in custody? The ones in Guantanamo Bay? Bush didn't talk about those last night. Were you watching some other speech than the rest of us were?

Also, do you not plan on answering any of my other questions from my op? I guess you're about as clueless on those as is Bush.