Bush's Flip-Flops

[BigLar]

Let's see, the President said there were WMD and then there were programs to develop WMD and then there were none.

The President said no one who leaked sensitive information would be in his administration and then said no one who was convicted of leaking would be in his administration. (Quite a relief, I have a tough time imagining conducting White House business from a jail cell.)

Using a pronoun to identify someone is not the same as using their proper name.


Is this the best America can do? I guess it all depends on what you mean by the word "is".

 

[chambersc]

are you retarded? bush said that no one who has committed a crime with the leak of the information would be in his admin.

i'm far left and even i can't believe your ignorance and partisan hackery.

 

[irwincur]

Let's see, the President said there were WMD and then there were programs to develop WMD and then there were none.

Was Bush responsible for the shoddy work of the CIA and FBI? If anything, they are the ones that dropped the ball, not Bush. He simply went with what they gave him.

WHICH IS HIS JOB.

I am sure that if say Saddam did have WMD and he used them against us, the liberals would be up in arms because Bush did nothing even though the evidence was there. It is a classic new age paradox that came from 9/11. After 9/11 the Dems were complaining because Bush did not know enough, and that he screwed up and missed the signs. Well, what would the Dems have said if Bush had arrested 24 Muslim men claiming that they were planning to fly planes into the WTC - I suspect that the ACLU would have been all over it - I am also sure they would have walked free.

In short: No matter the outcome, Bush will always be wrong in someones eyes.

 

[phillyTIM]

my God, bush is such a friggin' HYPOCRITE

kerry's got nothing on george w. bush when it comes to flip-flopping

too bad the majority of american voters were too dumb to see that

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: chambersc
are you retarded? bush never said "no one who leaked sensitive information would be in his administration and then said no one who was convicted of leaking would be in his administration." he, in the beginning, said that no one who has committed a crime with the leak of the information would be in his admin.

i'm far left and even i can't believe your ignorance and partisan hackery.

hmmm


Wednesday, October 10, 2001
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy...ontentId=A33976-2001Oct9&notFound=true

[Bush] continued: "I want Congress to hear loud and clear, it is unacceptable behavior to leak classified information when we have troops at risk."

September 29, 2003:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/09/20030929-7.html

McClellan: "If anyone in this administration was involved in it [the improper disclosure of an undercover CIA operative's identity], they would no longer be in this administration."

September 30, 2003
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/01/national/main575986.shtml

Bush: "If somebody did leak classified information, I'd like to know it, and we'll take the appropriate action."

Today:
http://today.reuters.com/News/newsArtic...256573_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-BUSH-LEAK-DC.XML

Bush: "If someone committed a crime, they will no longer work in my administration."

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: chambersc
are you retarded? bush never said "no one who leaked sensitive information would be in his administration and then said no one who was convicted of leaking would be in his administration." he, in the beginning, said that no one who has committed a crime with the leak of the information would be in his admin.

i'm far left and even i can't believe your ignorance and partisan hackery.

hmmm


Wednesday, October 10, 2001
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy...ontentId=A33976-2001Oct9&notFound=true

[Bush] continued: "I want Congress to hear loud and clear, it is unacceptable behavior to leak classified information when we have troops at risk."

September 29, 2003:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/09/20030929-7.html

McClellan: "If anyone in this administration was involved in it [the improper disclosure of an undercover CIA operative's identity], they would no longer be in this administration."

September 30, 2003
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/01/national/main575986.shtml

Bush: "If somebody did leak classified information, I'd like to know it, and we'll take the appropriate action."

Today:
http://today.reuters.com/News/newsArtic...256573_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-BUSH-LEAK-DC.XML

Bush: "If someone committed a crime, they will no longer work in my administration."

I'm sorry, I need a little hand holding. where/when does Bush say someone would be fired if they leaked classified information?

He certainly doesn't say it in any of those links.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: daveymark
I'm sorry, I need a little hand holding. where/when does Bush say someone would be fired if they leaked classified information?

He certainly doesn't say it in any of those links.

What does the Sept 29th quote mean to you?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Is this not a rehash of the past 54 months.

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: daveymark
I'm sorry, I need a little hand holding. where/when does Bush say someone would be fired if they leaked classified information?

He certainly doesn't say it in any of those links.

What does the Sept 29th quote mean to you?

Are you saying Bush and McClellan are the same person?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: chambersc
are you retarded? bush never said "no one who leaked sensitive information would be in his administration and then said no one who was convicted of leaking would be in his administration." he, in the beginning, said that no one who has committed a crime with the leak of the information would be in his admin.

i'm far left and even i can't believe your ignorance and partisan hackery.

hmmm


Wednesday, October 10, 2001
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy...ontentId=A33976-2001Oct9&notFound=true

[Bush] continued: "I want Congress to hear loud and clear, it is unacceptable behavior to leak classified information when we have troops at risk."

September 29, 2003:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/09/20030929-7.html

McClellan: "If anyone in this administration was involved in it [the improper disclosure of an undercover CIA operative's identity], they would no longer be in this administration."

September 30, 2003
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/01/national/main575986.shtml

Bush: "If somebody did leak classified information, I'd like to know it, and we'll take the appropriate action."

Today:
http://today.reuters.com/News/newsArtic...256573_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-BUSH-LEAK-DC.XML

Bush: "If someone committed a crime, they will no longer work in my administration."

I'm sorry, I need a little hand holding. where/when does Bush say someone would be fired if they leaked classified information?

He certainly doesn't say it in any of those links.

What's the purpose of a Press Secretary? To relay the thoughts and wishes of the President.

Also, do you suppose "unacceptable behavior" is to be tolerated? Esp. when it involves leaking classified information?

Tell me truthfully, if this were Leon Panetta, wouldn't you be calling for his hide? Were you as easily dismissive of Sandy Berger?

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: daveymark
Are you saying Bush and McClellan are the same person?

No, but as Bush's communications director/press secretary McClellan's words are to be taken as a subsitute for Bush's policies. That is the whole point of having McClellan speak instead of Bush.

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: chambersc
are you retarded? bush said that no one who has committed a crime with the leak of the information would be in his admin.

i'm far left and even i can't believe your ignorance and partisan hackery.

He changed his stance. Period. Apparently you're so far left you're no longer on the planet.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: chambersc
are you retarded? bush never said "no one who leaked sensitive information would be in his administration and then said no one who was convicted of leaking would be in his administration." he, in the beginning, said that no one who has committed a crime with the leak of the information would be in his admin.

i'm far left and even i can't believe your ignorance and partisan hackery.

hmmm


Wednesday, October 10, 2001
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy...ontentId=A33976-2001Oct9¬Found=true

[Bush] continued: "I want Congress to hear loud and clear, it is unacceptable behavior to leak classified information when we have troops at risk."

September 29, 2003:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/09/20030929-7.html

McClellan: "If anyone in this administration was involved in it [the improper disclosure of an undercover CIA operative's identity], they would no longer be in this administration."

September 30, 2003
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/01/national/main575986.shtml

Bush: "If somebody did leak classified information, I'd like to know it, and we'll take the appropriate action."

Today:
http://today.reuters.com/News/newsArtic...256573_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-BUSH-LEAK-DC.XML

Bush: "If someone committed a crime, they will no longer work in my administration."

I'm sorry, I need a little hand holding. where/when does Bush say someone would be fired if they leaked classified information?

He certainly doesn't say it in any of those links.

What's the purpose of a Press Secretary? To relay the thoughts and wishes of the President.

Also, do you suppose "unacceptable behavior" is to be tolerated? Esp. when it involves leaking classified information?

Tell me truthfully, if this were Leon Panetta, wouldn't you be calling for his hide? Were you as easily dismissive of Sandy Berger?

Isn't leaking classified information a crime?

 

[conjur]

One would think so.

 

[daveymark]

[Originally posted by: conjur

September 29, 2003:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/09/20030929-7.html

McClellan: "If anyone in this administration was involved in it [the improper disclosure of an undercover CIA operative's identity], they would no longer be in this administration."

1. This is McCLellan, not Bush. So don't say "Bush is backpeddling" or "Bush lied" when he never did so. If you want, you can demand that McClellan stick to his word and fire Rove. Too bad McClellan doesn't have the authority to do that.

2. this is, of course, assuming that an undercover CIA operative's name was leaked. We hae yet to know if this is the case as Plame, by definition, has not been proven to be an undercover agent in the 5 years prior.

Might as well wait for the investigation to finish up before the witchhunt begins.


In the meantime, it's best to take a closer look at Wilson.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: daveymark
1. This is McCLellan, not Bush. So don't say "Bush is backpeddling" or "Bush lied" when he never did so. If you want, you can demand that McClellan stick to his word and fire Rove. Too bad McClellan doesn't have the authority to do that.

So does that mean that all press releases with McClellan are useless? We should stop listening since his words are meaningless?

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: conjur
One would think so.

Then everything he said is more or less the same. Some of the liberals don't believe in due process of law and innocent until proven guilty when it comes to the Bush administration.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: daveymark

[Originally posted by: conjur

September 29, 2003:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/09/20030929-7.html

McClellan: "If anyone in this administration was involved in it [the improper disclosure of an undercover CIA operative's identity], they would no longer be in this administration."

1. This is McCLellan, not Bush. So don't say "Bush is backpeddling" or "Bush lied" when he never did so. If you want, you can demand that McClellan stick to his word and fire Rove. Too bad McClellan doesn't have the authority to do that.

2. this is, of course, assuming that an undercover CIA operative's name was leaked. We hae yet to know if this is the case as Plame, by definition, has not been proven to be an undercover agent in the 5 years prior.

Might as well wait for the investigation to finish up before the witchhunt begins.


In the meantime, it's best to take a closer look at Wilson.

Apparently, you missed my reply to you:

What's the purpose of a Press Secretary? To relay the thoughts and wishes of the President.

Also, do you suppose "unacceptable behavior" is to be tolerated? Esp. when it involves leaking classified information?

Tell me truthfully, if this were Leon Panetta, wouldn't you be calling for his hide? Were you as easily dismissive of Sandy Berger?

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: daveymark
1. This is McCLellan, not Bush. So don't say "Bush is backpeddling" or "Bush lied" when he never did so. If you want, you can demand that McClellan stick to his word and fire Rove. Too bad McClellan doesn't have the authority to do that.

So does that mean that all press releases with McClellan are useless? We should stop listening since his words are meaningless?

no, it means don't say "Bush is backpeddling" or "Bush lied" when he never did so.

If you want, you can say, "Scott said Rove would be fired, and now Bush is saying he needs a conviction to be fired."

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: daveymark
no, it means don't say "Bush is backpeddling" or "Bush lied" when he never did so.

Taken in context he did say so. Sept 29, speaking on Bush's behalf, McClellen stated the punishment would be terminiation. Then on Sept 30, Bush himself didn't deny it and said "we'll take the appropriate action". The previous day McClellen, speaking on Bush's behalf, this defined that appropriate action. It is thus on Bush's shoulders to correct the mistake if it was a mistake. He did not make any corrections to what McClellen said on his behalf and in fact confirmed McClellen's statement.

Think about this in court.
Laywer: Did you steal that candy from a baby.
Defendant: Yes.
Dullard: The defendant said he stole candy from a baby.
Daveymark: The defendant never said the words, "I stole candy".
Technically you are correct, the defendant never said those words. But he confirmed the words. That is close enough. The defendant admitted the crime in the eyes of the world.

 

[conjur]

Who's saying "Bush lied"? No one I know of. The media is reporting a shift in policy. Is not what McCLIEllan did making known the policy?

Still waiting on answers to my other questions.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: chambersc
are you retarded? bush never said "no one who leaked sensitive information would be in his administration and then said no one who was convicted of leaking would be in his administration." he, in the beginning, said that no one who has committed a crime with the leak of the information would be in his admin.

i'm far left and even i can't believe your ignorance and partisan hackery.

hmmm


Wednesday, October 10, 2001
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy...ontentId=A33976-2001Oct9¬Found=true

[Bush] continued: "I want Congress to hear loud and clear, it is unacceptable behavior to leak classified information when we have troops at risk."

September 29, 2003:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/09/20030929-7.html

McClellan: "If anyone in this administration was involved in it [the improper disclosure of an undercover CIA operative's identity], they would no longer be in this administration."

September 30, 2003
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/01/national/main575986.shtml

Bush: "If somebody did leak classified information, I'd like to know it, and we'll take the appropriate action."

Today:
http://today.reuters.com/News/newsArtic...256573_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-BUSH-LEAK-DC.XML

Bush: "If someone committed a crime, they will no longer work in my administration."

I'm sorry, I need a little hand holding.

QFT

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: dullard
No, but as Bush's communications director/press secretary McClellan's words are to be taken as a subsitute for Bush's policies. That is the whole point of having McClellan speak instead of Bush.

Bush needs McClellan to speak for him because he can't pronounce all them big words by himself.

Originally posted by: arsbanned
He changed his stance. Period. Apparently you're so far left you're no longer on the planet.

Umm... "Changed his stance" ??? That the same as when Nixon's press secretary, Ron Zeigler announced that Nixon's previous statements about Watergate were "no longer operative?"

Translation -- We lied, and now that we've been caught, we'll try to re-write history with bullsh8. :|

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: chambersc
are you retarded? bush never said "no one who leaked sensitive information would be in his administration and then said no one who was convicted of leaking would be in his administration." he, in the beginning, said that no one who has committed a crime with the leak of the information would be in his admin.

i'm far left and even i can't believe your ignorance and partisan hackery.

hmmm


Wednesday, October 10, 2001
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy...ontentId=A33976-2001Oct9¬Found=true

[Bush] continued: "I want Congress to hear loud and clear, it is unacceptable behavior to leak classified information when we have troops at risk."

September 29, 2003:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/09/20030929-7.html

McClellan: "If anyone in this administration was involved in it [the improper disclosure of an undercover CIA operative's identity], they would no longer be in this administration."

September 30, 2003
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/01/national/main575986.shtml

Bush: "If somebody did leak classified information, I'd like to know it, and we'll take the appropriate action."

Today:
http://today.reuters.com/News/newsArtic...256573_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-BUSH-LEAK-DC.XML

Bush: "If someone committed a crime, they will no longer work in my administration."

Hey conjur, you must have inadvertently omitted a Bush quote about the situation. Let me help you out:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/09/30/wilson.cia/

"If there's a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is," Bush told reporters at an impromptu news conference during a fund-raising stop in Chicago, Illinois. "If the person has violated law, that person will be taken care of."

But the left keep repeating the mantra that suddenly Bush is taking a new tack with his "crime committed" statement when he stated it long ago. It's typical of their handwaving bullsh!t and consistently revisionist garbage though.

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: chambersc
are you retarded? bush never said "no one who leaked sensitive information would be in his administration and then said no one who was convicted of leaking would be in his administration." he, in the beginning, said that no one who has committed a crime with the leak of the information would be in his admin.

i'm far left and even i can't believe your ignorance and partisan hackery.

hmmm


Wednesday, October 10, 2001
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy...ontentId=A33976-2001Oct9¬Found=true

[Bush] continued: "I want Congress to hear loud and clear, it is unacceptable behavior to leak classified information when we have troops at risk."

September 29, 2003:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/09/20030929-7.html

McClellan: "If anyone in this administration was involved in it [the improper disclosure of an undercover CIA operative's identity], they would no longer be in this administration."

September 30, 2003
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/01/national/main575986.shtml

Bush: "If somebody did leak classified information, I'd like to know it, and we'll take the appropriate action."

Today:
http://today.reuters.com/News/newsArtic...256573_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-BUSH-LEAK-DC.XML

Bush: "If someone committed a crime, they will no longer work in my administration."

I'm sorry, I need a little hand holding.

QFT