Bushies spin will eventually come out in the wash

[BaliBabyDoc]

Christian Science Monitor (excerpts but more interesting tidbits at the website)

Both the Telegraph and CNN quote Hugo Infante, a Chilean photographer, who saw Berg on April 6, shortly after he had returned to Baghdad after being released from detention.

"Nick told me, 'Iraqi police caught me one night, they saw my passport and my Jewish last name and my Israeli stamp. This guy thought I was a spy so they put me with American soldiers and American soldiers put me in a jail for two weeks.' ... He wasn't mad. It was just an adventure for him. He said, 'This s**t happens. It was bad luck'."

"The Iraqi police do not tell the FBI what to do, the FBI tells the Iraqi police what to do. Who do they think they?re kidding?" Berg?s father, Michael, told The Associated Press from his home in West Chester, Pa., a Philadelphia suburb.

Military officials acknowleged that the US is the ultimate authority in Iraq, including over the Iraqi police. But Bloomberg News reports Thursday that Iraqi police are now denying US assertions that they detained Berg. "The Iraqi police never arrested the slain American," Mosul's police chief, Major General Mohammed Khair al-Barhawi said. "Such reports are baseless."

At face value it looks like almost everybody (except the family) is lying or spinning this story.

 

[Zebo]

Just a aside, but I think he was killed for being jewish by these nuts not because of the abuse scandel. After all they let gentile hallibuton truck drivers go after reciveing full medical treatment.

 

[imported_Aelius]

Typical.

You know why nobody wants to admit anything at all regarding Berg?

Because they are afraid that they might be somehow held accountable. So far every person whom might stand to loose has flat out lied, both Iraqi police and US administration.

The only ones whom are telling the truth are people whom don't have any personal stake in it. A photographer and some diplomatic admin officer in Iraq whom originally told the Bergs that their son is in US custody.

This whole thing is the laughing stock of the international community and the more lies they tell the worse it gets.

Again, just like the Iraqi prisoner abuses, don't expect to see the real architects of this mess to be hung out to dry. Some scape goat will be found sooner or later, until then the word of the day is "lie".

 

[arsbanned]

After all they let gentile hallibuton truck drivers go after reciveing full medical treatment

Was that before or after the pictures showing abuse of Iraqi Prisoners broke?

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: arsbanned

After all they let gentile hallibuton truck drivers go after reciveing full medical treatment

Was that before or after the pictures showing abuse of Iraqi Prisoners broke?

Well per norm, the administration and its stooges flatly reject the notion that Berg's brutal execution and the scandal from Abu Ghraib are related. The power of shared delusion is strong in this country. I'm surprised the administration didn't accept that rationale and then blame CBS.
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[zephyrprime]

Why was he detained in the first place? Can anyone just be arrested for any reason over there? If so, it's a pretty messed up situation.

 

[alchemize]

When a policeman gives a lady a ticket, and then it was dark instead of light when she drove home, and she got carjacked and raped, it was the policemans fault.

Well, and hers for being a sexy lady in a car after dark.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: alchemize
When a policeman gives a lady a ticket, and then it was dark instead of light when she drove home, and she got carjacked and raped, it was the policemans fault.

Well, and hers for being a sexy lady in a car after dark.

Are you kidding or intoxicated?

Your analogy is scarcely relevant to Berg.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: alchemize
When a policeman gives a lady a ticket, and then it was dark instead of light when she drove home, and she got carjacked and raped, it was the policemans fault.

Well, and hers for being a sexy lady in a car after dark.

Are you kidding or intoxicated?

Your analogy is scarcely relevant to Berg.

It isn't? But the blame has been laid squarely on Bush and the military. Assuming he was held, please enlighten me how my analogy was irrelevant.

Or did you miss this thread: Text

 

[imported_Aelius]

It is but it isn't.

The anology fits that it wouldn't be the woman's fault, but you cannot use it to say it was the cop's fault.

It doesn't exactly fit Berg's circumstance.

In fact you cannot use any anology to fit it since there isn't one. You can only use an anology to explain a certain part of it.

Like the above points out how it wasn't the woman's fault.

In Berg's case it wasn't his fault he got killed because he was detained while trying to leave Iraq and hence who knows what might have happend if he could have left earlier. Right?

What you have to understand is that he wasn't being given a ticket for speeding. The Iraqi Police picked him up cause he looked out of place (good enough reason for them (has anything really changed since the last tyrant?)). After that it snowballed. They gave him to US forces whom then go through the process of trying to ID the guy. Keep in mind that they operate as they please. There aint no Bill of Rights or Constiution protecting your ass in Iraq. At least not until you get home and complain. Eventually they let the kid go.

Did they kill him? Obviously not. That is not in question.

Did they contribute to his death? Bingo.

You gota be held accountable for your actions. Not so much because they held the guy and then let him go. So what? Its because they held Berg without any good reason what so ever for what 2 weeks? Then he gets captured and killed on his way out of Iraq as the prisoner abuse scandle hits and the fighting in Iraq escalates.

It is hard to see how they "didn't" contribute to his death. If it is unknowingly then its professional negligence. If knowingly then its criminal.

Considering everything that has gone wrong I'm leaning towards unknowingly. Which just points to professional negligence.

They never should have arrested him or once they had him they never should have let him go and instead shipped him off on the next military cargo plane out of Dodge City regardless of what Berg wanted.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: alchemize
When a policeman gives a lady a ticket, and then it was dark instead of light when she drove home, and she got carjacked and raped, it was the policemans fault.

Well, and hers for being a sexy lady in a car after dark.

Are you kidding or intoxicated?

Your analogy is scarcely relevant to Berg.

It isn't? But the blame has been laid squarely on Bush and the military. Assuming he was held, please enlighten me how my analogy was irrelevant.

Or did you miss this thread: Text

Berg had been tooling around Iraq long enough to make his own plans for leaving Iraq. Those plans might have been fulfilled if Berg had not been detained. By the same token he might have come home safe and sound if he had taken the US offer. But it's ridiculous to ignore any of the events in the chain of causation of Berg's demise . . . including the very real possibility that Abu Ghraib is the reason Berg is dead instead of being a captive. Ultimately Berg is responsible for going to Iraq (twice).

Your analogy is way off base.
1) Berg was picked up for no reason other than he looked suspicious.
2) Berg was detained for 13 days.
3) It required a threat of legal action to secure Berg's release . . . although the Bushies will say that was coincidence not causation.
4) If authorities had allowed Berg to follow his plan for leaving Iraq he might still be alive.
5) If Iraqis had not exposed Berg (to cell mates and less than compassionate police) he might still be alive.

 

[arsbanned]

Also, add to that:
6. It's Bush's fault
7. It's Bush's fault
8.It's Bush's fault
9. It's Bush's fault
10.It's Bush's fault
Infinity: It's Bush's fault

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
Why was he detained in the first place? Can anyone just be arrested for any reason over there? If so, it's a pretty messed up situation.

Wasn't he walking around Iraq, alone, at night?

 

[zephyrprime]

Wasn't he walking around Iraq, alone, at night?

I just heard on the radio that he was arrested for looking suspicious.

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime

Wasn't he walking around Iraq, alone, at night?

I just heard on the radio that he was arrested for looking suspicious.

Kinda Like Getting a D.W.B.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Aelius
Typical.

You know why nobody wants to admit anything at all regarding Berg?

Because they are afraid that they might be somehow held accountable. So far every person whom might stand to loose has flat out lied, both Iraqi police and US administration.

The only ones whom are telling the truth are people whom don't have any personal stake in it. A photographer and some diplomatic admin officer in Iraq whom originally told the Bergs that their son is in US custody.

This whole thing is the laughing stock of the international community and the more lies they tell the worse it gets.

Again, just like the Iraqi prisoner abuses, don't expect to see the real architects of this mess to be hung out to dry. Some scape goat will be found sooner or later, until then the word of the day is "lie".

Before I get rather irate with what I think you are implying, can you clarify that please.

Who are the architects and what mess are you talking about?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: alchemize
When a policeman gives a lady a ticket, and then it was dark instead of light when she drove home, and she got carjacked and raped, it was the policemans fault.

Well, and hers for being a sexy lady in a car after dark.

Are you kidding or intoxicated?

Your analogy is scarcely relevant to Berg.

It isn't? But the blame has been laid squarely on Bush and the military. Assuming he was held, please enlighten me how my analogy was irrelevant.

Or did you miss this thread: Text

Berg had been tooling around Iraq long enough to make his own plans for leaving Iraq. Those plans might have been fulfilled if Berg had not been detained. By the same token he might have come home safe and sound if he had taken the US offer. But it's ridiculous to ignore any of the events in the chain of causation of Berg's demise . . . including the very real possibility that Abu Ghraib is the reason Berg is dead instead of being a captive. Ultimately Berg is responsible for going to Iraq (twice).

Your analogy is way off base.
1) Berg was picked up for no reason other than he looked suspicious.
2) Berg was detained for 13 days.
3) It required a threat of legal action to secure Berg's release . . . although the Bushies will say that was coincidence not causation.
4) If authorities had allowed Berg to follow his plan for leaving Iraq he might still be alive.
5) If Iraqis had not exposed Berg (to cell mates and less than compassionate police) he might still be alive.

I have a feeling that if terrorist hadn't chopped his head off, he might still be alive. Just a theory.

Of course, no sense blaming them. Just like every child molester, murderer, rapist, sick bastard in the world, they just need kindness and understanding and they'll stop. (and of course, they are all Bush's fault)

If the liberals showed 1/1,000th the outrage at this murder as they did over the "torture", I might have 1/1,000th of an ounce of respect for them. But they didn't, and I don't.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

I have a feeling that if terrorist hadn't chopped his head off, he might still be alive. Just a theory.

I have a feeling that if Bush hadn't invaded Iraq several thousand Iraqis might still be alive, 770 US service people might still be alive, and Bushies would be running a deficit less than 300B per annum. Just a theory.

Of course, no sense blaming them. Just like every child molester, murderer, rapist, sick bastard in the world, they just need kindness and understanding and they'll stop. (and of course, they are all Bush's fault)

It's a war zone. Berg (as I said before but naturally you ignored) is responsible for placing himself in harm's way. Iraqis (police apparently) and US officials (military, FBI, etc) are responsible for exacerbating a bad situation. No one is arguing that ultimately it was the man with the blade that killed Berg.

As for your aside, I've treated child molesters. But of course since I only work with the children that means all of the child molesters I know are children. Unfortunately, even with kindness and understanding . . . some will not stop. They will be wards of the state (in one form or another) for the rest of their lives. But I doubt you actually care.

If the liberals showed 1/1,000th the outrage at this murder as they did over the "torture", I might have 1/1,000th of an ounce of respect for them. But they didn't, and I don't.

Then apparently you and the liberals you describe are hopelessly lost individuals. You see moral outrage can only be practiced by moral people. Accordingly, it's not surprising that you place torture in quotes. I guess Bushies are hiding the best pix (sodomy etc) b/c Americans don't do such things?!
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